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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 26 2008, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think spies needs to get over himself. he's good, but i'm not sure THAT good.
yes, he's a big fish in a little pond at the moment. I don't know if he realizes he may need to take a pay cut to jump in the big pond. He better realize it sooner while there's still a place for him.
yes, he's a big fish in a little pond at the moment. I don't know if he realizes he may need to take a pay cut to jump in the big pond. He better realize it sooner while there's still a place for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 26 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think spies needs to get over himself. he's good, but i'm not sure THAT good.
Agreed, afterall outside the AMA hes just another rookie
Agreed, afterall outside the AMA hes just another rookie
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 26 2008, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think spies needs to get over himself. he's good, but i'm not sure THAT good.
Please.
He probably makes 2 mil after all of his winnings, salary, bonuses, and endorsements in the AMA. I wouldn't go to WSBK for less---not in a million years; especially if DMG have already offered him big money to stay.
He doesn't have an ego, he has guaranteed money in the bank elsewhere.
Anyway, this article is coming from Motociclismo which is a SPANISH TABLOID as far as I'm concerned. Though most of their reports are in the realm of possibility I don't think this one is.
Doesn't Dovi have a two year deal with JiR that only HRC can breach?
Please.
He probably makes 2 mil after all of his winnings, salary, bonuses, and endorsements in the AMA. I wouldn't go to WSBK for less---not in a million years; especially if DMG have already offered him big money to stay.
He doesn't have an ego, he has guaranteed money in the bank elsewhere.
Anyway, this article is coming from Motociclismo which is a SPANISH TABLOID as far as I'm concerned. Though most of their reports are in the realm of possibility I don't think this one is.
Doesn't Dovi have a two year deal with JiR that only HRC can breach?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 26 2008, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please.
He probably makes 2 mil after all of his winnings, salary, bonuses, and endorsements in the AMA. I wouldn't go to WSBK for less---not in a million years; especially if DMG have already offered him big money to stay.
He doesn't have an ego, he has guaranteed money in the bank elsewhere.
Anyway, this article is coming from Motociclismo which is a SPANISH TABLOID as far as I'm concerned. Though most of their reports are in the realm of possibility I don't think this one is.
Doesn't Dovi have a two year deal with JiR that only HRC can breach?
I haven't been able to find the article but didn't he look for a massive sum from gresini and was turned down
He has so much money already in the bank, why not take whatever the "standard" pay is in motogp for the first year or two untill he makes a name for himself(worldwide), it would be a shame to see him in WSBK and not motogp
He probably makes 2 mil after all of his winnings, salary, bonuses, and endorsements in the AMA. I wouldn't go to WSBK for less---not in a million years; especially if DMG have already offered him big money to stay.
He doesn't have an ego, he has guaranteed money in the bank elsewhere.
Anyway, this article is coming from Motociclismo which is a SPANISH TABLOID as far as I'm concerned. Though most of their reports are in the realm of possibility I don't think this one is.
Doesn't Dovi have a two year deal with JiR that only HRC can breach?
I haven't been able to find the article but didn't he look for a massive sum from gresini and was turned down
He has so much money already in the bank, why not take whatever the "standard" pay is in motogp for the first year or two untill he makes a name for himself(worldwide), it would be a shame to see him in WSBK and not motogp
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The question thats begging to be asked is,Why,do the Europeans agree to ride for peanuts when the sport is so popular on that continent.Its basically nothing over hear yet our riders make 2 and 3 times as smuch money.Somebody needs some new agents or they need to form a riders union.Somebody is making millions of this gig and its not the riders.I dont blame Spies one bit for not risking his life to entertain others for .... pay.This business is a short career,you have to bank early and often.If ....... John Hopper can make 3 million a year,i see no reason Spies should not make at LEAST 2 million.His resume is much mor e impressive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 26 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This business is a short career,you have to bank early and often.If ....... John Hopper can make 3 million a year,i see no reason Spies should not make at LEAST 2 million.His resume is much mor e impressive.
A rider is never more valuable than the price people are willing to pay for them. If a team can get an equally good performance for less money then they will.
A rider is never more valuable than the price people are willing to pay for them. If a team can get an equally good performance for less money then they will.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A rider is never more valuable than the price people are willing to pay for them. If a team can get an equally good performance for less money then they will.
I disagree,this is all about marketing and who is ultimatley going to sell the manufacturer more bikes.And like it or not,they are after the largest buying market on the planet,the United States.Kawasaki didnt pay Hopper 3 million because they though he would win a title on that turd,they paid him to sell bikes in the states.Im sure they could have found a rider for much less money to get the results they have achieved this year, dont you think.If you put Spies on a bike and it helps you sell twice as many bikes than an equally talented rider,who would you pay more.
I disagree,this is all about marketing and who is ultimatley going to sell the manufacturer more bikes.And like it or not,they are after the largest buying market on the planet,the United States.Kawasaki didnt pay Hopper 3 million because they though he would win a title on that turd,they paid him to sell bikes in the states.Im sure they could have found a rider for much less money to get the results they have achieved this year, dont you think.If you put Spies on a bike and it helps you sell twice as many bikes than an equally talented rider,who would you pay more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 27 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1
Spies should stay in AMA if the pay is good. Go to GP if he is offered for a ride in factory teams of Duc, HRC or Yam. Or SBK if Xeroc Duc offers him a ride there...Anything else is suck.
Look at other ex - superbike riders , they are not going anywhere without factory Yam, HRC or Duc..
Spies should stay in AMA if the pay is good. Go to GP if he is offered for a ride in factory teams of Duc, HRC or Yam. Or SBK if Xeroc Duc offers him a ride there...Anything else is suck.
Look at other ex - superbike riders , they are not going anywhere without factory Yam, HRC or Duc..
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If Spies wants his dream of becoming a MotoGP rider to come true, he has to take a pay cut.....then if he proves himself worthy, he can start contract negotions the following year or however long the intitial contract ends. But for someone who has only competed in AMA level to damand 2 million dollar for his first year in the big league, that's a slap in the face for teams who are somewhat interested in him.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 26 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Spies wants his dream of becoming a MotoGP rider to come true, he has to take a pay cut.....then if he proves himself worthy, he can start contract negotions the following year or however long the intitial contract ends. But for someone who has only competed in AMA level to damand 2 million dollar for his first year in the big league, that's a slap in the face for teams who are somewhat interested in him.
Shinya should be fired and then Spies gets his seat.
Shinya should be fired and then Spies gets his seat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 26 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I disagree,this is all about marketing and who is ultimatley going to sell the manufacturer more bikes.And like it or not,they are after the largest buying market on the planet,the United States.Kawasaki didnt pay Hopper 3 million because they though he would win a title on that turd,they paid him to sell bikes in the states.Im sure they could have found a rider for much less money to get the results they have achieved this year, dont you think.If you put Spies on a bike and it helps you sell twice as many bikes than an equally talented rider,who would you pay more.
I used the word performance inclussive of all the demands placed on a rider, which naturally goes beyond just riding.
I used the word performance inclussive of all the demands placed on a rider, which naturally goes beyond just riding.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shinya should be fired and then Spies gets his seat.
I havn't read all your posts, but most seem to have a stagnant level of dumbness about them, this ..... take the biscuit though, unless I'm after stepping in the middle of some idiotic pissing match between you two, but Honda fire the only Jap.. Ya right
I havn't read all your posts, but most seem to have a stagnant level of dumbness about them, this ..... take the biscuit though, unless I'm after stepping in the middle of some idiotic pissing match between you two, but Honda fire the only Jap.. Ya right
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Aug 26 2008, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I havn't read all your posts, but most seem to have a stagnant level of dumbness about them, this ..... take the biscuit though, unless I'm after stepping in the middle of some idiotic pissing match between you two, but Honda fire the only Jap.. Ya right
YEah and you are? I have been following GP's for many years and have friends who race and one who has an AMA superbike title so I think if I am dumb you must be ......... And I am just messing with SuperShinya since he thinks for some reason he is really that good which most of us know he is the token Japanese. I was just saying he should be replaced by someone who has a shot at winning and not just being in the parade.
YEah and you are? I have been following GP's for many years and have friends who race and one who has an AMA superbike title so I think if I am dumb you must be ......... And I am just messing with SuperShinya since he thinks for some reason he is really that good which most of us know he is the token Japanese. I was just saying he should be replaced by someone who has a shot at winning and not just being in the parade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Spies wants his dream of becoming a MotoGP rider to come true, he has to take a pay cut.....then if he proves himself worthy, he can start contract negotions the following year or however long the intitial contract ends. But for someone who has only competed in AMA level to damand 2 million dollar for his first year in the big league, that's a slap in the face for teams who are somewhat interested in him.
You would expect a MotoGP ride to pay bigger bucks thats normal... why would he leave somewhere hes at the front and its not that competitive for him for the same or less money.
You would expect a MotoGP ride to pay bigger bucks thats normal... why would he leave somewhere hes at the front and its not that competitive for him for the same or less money.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 26 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You would expect a MotoGP ride to pay bigger bucks thats normal... why would he leave somewhere hes at the front and its not that competitive for him for the same or less money.
Why would he leave to compete in MotoGP you ask?? Because that is the dream of all riders... to make it to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing of course. And reason why he isn't getting the salary he wanted is because he is not in high demand. Would you as a team owner not try and negotiate the lowest salary as possible.... especially if no one is knocking on his doorstep pleading for him to join their team?
Why would he leave to compete in MotoGP you ask?? Because that is the dream of all riders... to make it to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing of course. And reason why he isn't getting the salary he wanted is because he is not in high demand. Would you as a team owner not try and negotiate the lowest salary as possible.... especially if no one is knocking on his doorstep pleading for him to join their team?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YEah and you are? I have been following GP's for many years and have friends who race and one who has an AMA superbike title so I think if I am dumb you must be ......... And I am just messing with SuperShinya since he thinks for some reason he is really that good which most of us know he is the token Japanese. I was just saying he should be replaced by someone who has a shot at winning and not just being in the parade.
Man you are just too witty. Wow with all your cool friends and your deep roots in GP's it must be wonderful to feel so privalged
Man you are just too witty. Wow with all your cool friends and your deep roots in GP's it must be wonderful to feel so privalged
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 26 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Spies wants his dream of becoming a MotoGP rider to come true, he has to take a pay cut.....then if he proves himself worthy, he can start contract negotions the following year or however long the intitial contract ends. But for someone who has only competed in AMA level to damand 2 million dollar for his first year in the big league, that's a slap in the face for teams who are somewhat interested in him.
Compared to coming from where,WSB.BSB, Go check the records,not one MotoGp or GP500 title has been achieved by a rider out of WSB.A WSB title dont mean .... when it comes to being qualified.Now go check and see how many Moto Gp titles have been won from riders who competed in the AMA.Your quote "for someone who has only competed in AMA level" is either biased or misinformed or you believe everything you read.The AMA has a long history of providing future world champions in GP 500 and Moto Gp.So for you to say that he is not deserving because he has ONLY competed at the AMA level is just plain wrong.
Compared to coming from where,WSB.BSB, Go check the records,not one MotoGp or GP500 title has been achieved by a rider out of WSB.A WSB title dont mean .... when it comes to being qualified.Now go check and see how many Moto Gp titles have been won from riders who competed in the AMA.Your quote "for someone who has only competed in AMA level" is either biased or misinformed or you believe everything you read.The AMA has a long history of providing future world champions in GP 500 and Moto Gp.So for you to say that he is not deserving because he has ONLY competed at the AMA level is just plain wrong.
