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Didn't that company sponsor, or run a team last year? I remember seeing a rider with that website across his chest.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2009, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/editoria...orial-chicanery
Sometimes I really think this entire planet is populated by women on the rag.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
Sometimes I really think this entire planet is populated by women on the rag.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
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I agree with the writer on the safety issues. Edmondson hasn't so far given the impression that he cares about rider safety, having declared VIR and Mid-Ohio rain ready seemingly without consulting the rider safety council. I can't say I was surprised when I opened a soup Fontana gallery to see bikes running in the rain. Oh, and let's not forget what happened at Iowa...
This is one thing about DMG's approach that is immoral: telling riders when it is safe to race in the rain.
edited to remove comment regarding the quality of writing, off topic.
This is one thing about DMG's approach that is immoral: telling riders when it is safe to race in the rain.
edited to remove comment regarding the quality of writing, off topic.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 27 2009, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I really think this entire planet is populated by women on the rag.
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
You're joking right? Do you have your fingers in both ears? How is it you always miss the point of everything that's said? The press release isn't the issue. It's the action taken which affects the spectators who came at a specific time to see a specific race. If people who flew or drove from all over the country at great expense - missed seeing the race because of poorly informed officials - that's a real problem. And the fact the DMG are disengenuous about safety issues and sweep these concerns under the carpet - is horrendous. Rider safety has to always be a high priority.
And the ease with which Hacking can or can't be re-instated is not the issue. It never should have happened in the first place. It's a ....... joke. It's totally related to DMG ........ trying to put a "Harley" rider on the podium because they want to dumb down the audience for these races - a lowest common denominator effect - in order to draw in a larger, less discriminating audience to whom they can eventually sell lite beer, Pizza Hut and Quaker State petrolium products.
And possibly worst of all is the ...... morale in the paddock. The racers used to be treated like the heroes and rockstars. It's always been about going to see your favorite riders. And riders opinions on the issues are supposed to matter. But the current management treats the riders like employees, and pushes them around like ....... disposable stock clerks and box boys.
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
You're joking right? Do you have your fingers in both ears? How is it you always miss the point of everything that's said? The press release isn't the issue. It's the action taken which affects the spectators who came at a specific time to see a specific race. If people who flew or drove from all over the country at great expense - missed seeing the race because of poorly informed officials - that's a real problem. And the fact the DMG are disengenuous about safety issues and sweep these concerns under the carpet - is horrendous. Rider safety has to always be a high priority.
And the ease with which Hacking can or can't be re-instated is not the issue. It never should have happened in the first place. It's a ....... joke. It's totally related to DMG ........ trying to put a "Harley" rider on the podium because they want to dumb down the audience for these races - a lowest common denominator effect - in order to draw in a larger, less discriminating audience to whom they can eventually sell lite beer, Pizza Hut and Quaker State petrolium products.
And possibly worst of all is the ...... morale in the paddock. The racers used to be treated like the heroes and rockstars. It's always been about going to see your favorite riders. And riders opinions on the issues are supposed to matter. But the current management treats the riders like employees, and pushes them around like ....... disposable stock clerks and box boys.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Mar 27 2009, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is that guy a professional writer? One wouldn't know by the poorly organized rant labelled "editorial."
Excuse me
- Henny Ray Abrams has been writing professionally about racing for a quarter of a century and respected by everyone in the industry - or he's totally a loose cannon depending on who you talk to. He's also a paid flack for Honda - so he's never objective where they're concerned - but journalistic objectivity is rarely 100% anyhow. Cycle News has been around since the late '70s and before the advent of the internet - it was the weekly paper that every amateur and pro racer in the country had subscriptions to. Get your hands on a copy of the actual printed mag - it's still one of the most well-informed ones around.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2009, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/editoria...orial-chicanery
BTW - it's Henny - not Henry. He's a nice Jewish boy.
BTW - it's Henny - not Henry. He's a nice Jewish boy.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 27 2009, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I really think this entire planet is populated by women on the rag.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Mar 27 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're joking right? Do you have your fingers in both ears? How is it you always miss the point of everything that's said? The press release isn't the issue. It's the action taken which affects the spectators who came at a specific time to see a specific race. If people who flew or drove from all over the country at great expense - missed seeing the race because of poorly informed officials - that's a real problem. And the fact the DMG are disengenuous about safety issues and sweep these concerns under the carpet - is horrendous. Rider safety has to always be a high priority.
And the ease with which Hacking can or can't be re-instated is not the issue. It never should have happened in the first place. It's a ....... joke. It's totally related to DMG ........ trying to put a "Harley" rider on the podium because they want to dumb down the audience for these races - a lowest common denominator effect - in order to draw in a larger, less discriminating audience to whom they can eventually sell lite beer, Pizza Hut and Quaker State petrolium products.
And possibly worst of all is the ...... morale in the paddock. The racers used to be treated like the heroes and rockstars. It's always been about going to see your favorite riders. And riders opinions on the issues are supposed to matter. But the current management treats the riders like employees, and pushes them around like ....... disposable stock clerks and box boys.
And the ease with which Hacking can or can't be re-instated is not the issue. It never should have happened in the first place. It's a ....... joke. It's totally related to DMG ........ trying to put a "Harley" rider on the podium because they want to dumb down the audience for these races - a lowest common denominator effect - in order to draw in a larger, less discriminating audience to whom they can eventually sell lite beer, Pizza Hut and Quaker State petrolium products.
And possibly worst of all is the ...... morale in the paddock. The racers used to be treated like the heroes and rockstars. It's always been about going to see your favorite riders. And riders opinions on the issues are supposed to matter. But the current management treats the riders like employees, and pushes them around like ....... disposable stock clerks and box boys.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 27 2009, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I really think this entire planet is populated by women on the rag.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
Lex ,the more you post about DMG,the more you come off as someone who has something to gain from their existance. Face it,Bike racing in America is far more ...... up now than it has been in decades. Your missing the big picture.Yes,some of the things brought up in the article are little things but the cumlitave effect is what he is talking about.Its the combination of silliness on DMG's part that has gotten us to this point,where a HUGE majority of fans and the major players have had it.Yes,im sure the backmarkers and smaller teams are happy but lets face it,we dont give a .... if they finish 30 seconds off pace or 1 minute and 30 seconds,THEY ARE NOT THE SHOW,they are like extras on a movie set for a scene that requires a crowd. I cant remember if it was this board or another that i posted on about requiring riders to to attend autograph sessions.I have never understood aurograph seekers in the first place but who the .... would want an autograph from someone who loathes the fact that you are taking up his valuable off time. There are people who really enjoy mingling with the masses,like John Force,and there are people who would just as soon stay in their motorhome and rest,like Matt Mladin. I dont give a .... either way,i have never in my life asked another human being for his autograph and i certainly dont think ANYONE should be forced to attend something as meaningless as an autograph session if he doesnt want to. It goes back to that Nascar control mentality where if you dont like what we do,you can go find another place to race.What DMG has failed to understand is the mental make up of bike people. They tend to want to do their own thing and not march to the same beat as the rest of the world. They tend to be rebellious by nature and are not corporate sponsorship dreams, they tend to be in your face and competitive,they tend to speak out when maybe they shouldnt but thats who they are,they refuse to be society robots. They tend to stick with their own because they are understood in those circles. DMG are not bike people,they are car people in business to make a buck and the motorcycle community has rejected them,pure and simple. Henny was right when he talked about passion for roadracing,its something you either have or you dont. I have taken many people to races who just didnt get it,stand around in the hot sun for 2-3 days, watch a pack of bikes go by every minute in a half and stand and wait for them to come by again. If the Harley crowd that DMG wants was interested in road racing,they would have been there long ago.When i go to the track,there are always some guys on Harley's and other big cruisers, they are race fans,not the biker poser setting down on mainstreet pretending to be a biker bad boys. To get that customer,you will have to open a strip club and a bunch of bars in the infield of every race track, thats their idea of a good time.Nothing wrong with that, I like ....... and beer myself, but i would rather watch a roadrace first, and then go look at ....... and drink beer.Bottom line, DMG has gotten itself into a sort of cultural war that they are losing at the moment,time will tell if they can turn either side.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
Lex ,the more you post about DMG,the more you come off as someone who has something to gain from their existance. Face it,Bike racing in America is far more ...... up now than it has been in decades. Your missing the big picture.Yes,some of the things brought up in the article are little things but the cumlitave effect is what he is talking about.Its the combination of silliness on DMG's part that has gotten us to this point,where a HUGE majority of fans and the major players have had it.Yes,im sure the backmarkers and smaller teams are happy but lets face it,we dont give a .... if they finish 30 seconds off pace or 1 minute and 30 seconds,THEY ARE NOT THE SHOW,they are like extras on a movie set for a scene that requires a crowd. I cant remember if it was this board or another that i posted on about requiring riders to to attend autograph sessions.I have never understood aurograph seekers in the first place but who the .... would want an autograph from someone who loathes the fact that you are taking up his valuable off time. There are people who really enjoy mingling with the masses,like John Force,and there are people who would just as soon stay in their motorhome and rest,like Matt Mladin. I dont give a .... either way,i have never in my life asked another human being for his autograph and i certainly dont think ANYONE should be forced to attend something as meaningless as an autograph session if he doesnt want to. It goes back to that Nascar control mentality where if you dont like what we do,you can go find another place to race.What DMG has failed to understand is the mental make up of bike people. They tend to want to do their own thing and not march to the same beat as the rest of the world. They tend to be rebellious by nature and are not corporate sponsorship dreams, they tend to be in your face and competitive,they tend to speak out when maybe they shouldnt but thats who they are,they refuse to be society robots. They tend to stick with their own because they are understood in those circles. DMG are not bike people,they are car people in business to make a buck and the motorcycle community has rejected them,pure and simple. Henny was right when he talked about passion for roadracing,its something you either have or you dont. I have taken many people to races who just didnt get it,stand around in the hot sun for 2-3 days, watch a pack of bikes go by every minute in a half and stand and wait for them to come by again. If the Harley crowd that DMG wants was interested in road racing,they would have been there long ago.When i go to the track,there are always some guys on Harley's and other big cruisers, they are race fans,not the biker poser setting down on mainstreet pretending to be a biker bad boys. To get that customer,you will have to open a strip club and a bunch of bars in the infield of every race track, thats their idea of a good time.Nothing wrong with that, I like ....... and beer myself, but i would rather watch a roadrace first, and then go look at ....... and drink beer.Bottom line, DMG has gotten itself into a sort of cultural war that they are losing at the moment,time will tell if they can turn either side.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 26 2009, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I really think this entire planet is populated by women on the rag.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
Ok Mr. Roger Edmundson.
If not him then his lapdog.
Angry about the type of pace car
Angry that they give medals instead of trophies
Angry because they gave a bogus press release about why they moved Supersport
Angry b/c Hacking got suspended even though all he has to do is apologize
Mad b/c Mladin got put on probation (nothing) for skipping an autograph session
The AMA has been on a steep decline for a half decade and DMG have paid for the privilege of fixing it. Fixing broken stuff isn't often fun.
You know what else isn't fun---menstrual cramps. Give it 3 or 4 days, he'll be good as new.
Some people on here a worried about censorship. You CAN insult DMG all you want. In fact is probably pretty lucrative. You CAN'T insult the manufacturers or you go out of business.
Ok Mr. Roger Edmundson.
If not him then his lapdog.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Mar 27 2009, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're joking right? Do you have your fingers in both ears? How is it you always miss the point of everything that's said? The press release isn't the issue. It's the action taken which affects the spectators who came at a specific time to see a specific race. If people who flew or drove from all over the country at great expense - missed seeing the race because of poorly informed officials - that's a real problem. And the fact the DMG are disengenuous about safety issues and sweep these concerns under the carpet - is horrendous. Rider safety has to always be a high priority.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Was Edmondson ill-served by a minion who provided him with bad information? We don't know. But if there was any question, it would have been prudent to ask the question before throwing one of his partners under the tire truck. And if AMA PR is willing to treat a company that's paying a substantial sum of money like that, what hope is there for the rest of the paddock?
Nope it WAS about the press release. If anything the author approved of moving the event to a day with dry conditions. He was mad that they trashed Dunlop, DMG didn't but that doesn't seem to matter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Was Edmondson ill-served by a minion who provided him with bad information? We don't know. But if there was any question, it would have been prudent to ask the question before throwing one of his partners under the tire truck. And if AMA PR is willing to treat a company that's paying a substantial sum of money like that, what hope is there for the rest of the paddock?
Nope it WAS about the press release. If anything the author approved of moving the event to a day with dry conditions. He was mad that they trashed Dunlop, DMG didn't but that doesn't seem to matter.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 27 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nope it WAS about the press release. If anything the author approved of moving the event to a day with dry conditions. He was mad that they trashed Dunlop, DMG didn't but that doesn't seem to matter.
Lex, seriously? You're better than this. You're right, DMG didn't actually trash Dunlop. There was never a mention of the tires being .... or any derogatory remarks towards Dunlop, so you're right in saying that DMG didn't slam Dunlop. However Edmundson did throw Dunlop under the bus to cover for an error in judgement on DMG's behalf.
I told you that racing in the rain at the majority of the tracks that the AMA visit, and all the ovals, wasn't possible. But what do I know? I'm not Roger Edmundson. This is a case of Edmundson shooting off his mouth, talking about safety and how riding in the wet is going to happen at every race should it rain. That very instance comes up, riders tell him to get ......, he moves the race to the day before when it's dry but rather than saying because it's because of the weather, he says it's because of Dunlop not having the tires. A blatant lie.
How can you honestly defend this guy? I understand that the manufacturers haven't been playing ball and it's still early goings and whatnot but this man doesn't give a .... about motorcycle racing. He's proven that time and time again. He has the potential to vastly improve revenues for the sport and grow sponsorship dollars and that does sound great. But he also doesn't seem to have the slightest idea about rider safety. Whether it's a case of he doesn't know any better or doesn't give a ...., I don't know. I do know that a guy who doesn't have the riders' interests first is not someone who should be running this series.
Lex, seriously? You're better than this. You're right, DMG didn't actually trash Dunlop. There was never a mention of the tires being .... or any derogatory remarks towards Dunlop, so you're right in saying that DMG didn't slam Dunlop. However Edmundson did throw Dunlop under the bus to cover for an error in judgement on DMG's behalf.
I told you that racing in the rain at the majority of the tracks that the AMA visit, and all the ovals, wasn't possible. But what do I know? I'm not Roger Edmundson. This is a case of Edmundson shooting off his mouth, talking about safety and how riding in the wet is going to happen at every race should it rain. That very instance comes up, riders tell him to get ......, he moves the race to the day before when it's dry but rather than saying because it's because of the weather, he says it's because of Dunlop not having the tires. A blatant lie.
How can you honestly defend this guy? I understand that the manufacturers haven't been playing ball and it's still early goings and whatnot but this man doesn't give a .... about motorcycle racing. He's proven that time and time again. He has the potential to vastly improve revenues for the sport and grow sponsorship dollars and that does sound great. But he also doesn't seem to have the slightest idea about rider safety. Whether it's a case of he doesn't know any better or doesn't give a ...., I don't know. I do know that a guy who doesn't have the riders' interests first is not someone who should be running this series.
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Its going to get interesting if and when they are forced to make a decision to race in the rain.Lets say it does happen and the riders say its not safe and DMG says we are racing.Will the riders stick together and not race or will they splinter into 2 different factions.Lets say Hacking,Disalvo,Herrin,Zemke and other top riders say we are not racing,but the DMG poster boy,Eslick,[eager to please the powers that have given him the advantage] says he wants to race but he knows he has a problem.Does he bite the huge hand that is feeding him or does he risk alienating the paddock for a cheap win. I can tell him what he probably should do,there is nothing worse than being a pariah, especially when others anger can get you killed. This whole DMG thing is one huge clusterfuck after another and it seems to snowball out of control every time they open their mouth.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Mar 27 2009, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're joking right? Do you have your fingers in both ears? How is it you always miss the point of everything that's said? The press release isn't the issue. It's the action taken which affects the spectators who came at a specific time to see a specific race. If people who flew or drove from all over the country at great expense - missed seeing the race because of poorly informed officials - that's a real problem. And the fact the DMG are disengenuous about safety issues and sweep these concerns under the carpet - is horrendous. Rider safety has to always be a high priority.
And the ease with which Hacking can or can't be re-instated is not the issue. It never should have happened in the first place. It's a ....... joke. It's totally related to DMG ........ trying to put a "Harley" rider on the podium because they want to dumb down the audience for these races - a lowest common denominator effect - in order to draw in a larger, less discriminating audience to whom they can eventually sell lite beer, Pizza Hut and Quaker State petrolium products.
And possibly worst of all is the ...... morale in the paddock. The racers used to be treated like the heroes and rockstars. It's always been about going to see your favorite riders. And riders opinions on the issues are supposed to matter. But the current management treats the riders like employees, and pushes them around like ....... disposable stock clerks and box boys.
I know Frost just quoted your entire post, but it bares repeating. Excellent!
BTW, I havent seen you much on the other threads, the ones where I have been trying to extricate the coottenballs from Lex's ears.
And the ease with which Hacking can or can't be re-instated is not the issue. It never should have happened in the first place. It's a ....... joke. It's totally related to DMG ........ trying to put a "Harley" rider on the podium because they want to dumb down the audience for these races - a lowest common denominator effect - in order to draw in a larger, less discriminating audience to whom they can eventually sell lite beer, Pizza Hut and Quaker State petrolium products.
And possibly worst of all is the ...... morale in the paddock. The racers used to be treated like the heroes and rockstars. It's always been about going to see your favorite riders. And riders opinions on the issues are supposed to matter. But the current management treats the riders like employees, and pushes them around like ....... disposable stock clerks and box boys.
I know Frost just quoted your entire post, but it bares repeating. Excellent!
BTW, I havent seen you much on the other threads, the ones where I have been trying to extricate the coottenballs from Lex's ears.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 27 2009, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex ,the more you post about DMG,the more you come off as someone who has something to gain from their existance. Face it,Bike racing in America is far more ...... up now than it has been in decades. Your missing the big picture.Yes,some of the things brought up in the article are little things but the cumlitave effect is what he is talking about.Its the combination of silliness on DMG's part that has gotten us to this point,where a HUGE majority of fans and the major players have had it.Yes,im sure the backmarkers and smaller teams are happy but lets face it,we dont give a .... if they finish 30 seconds off pace or 1 minute and 30 seconds,THEY ARE NOT THE SHOW,they are like extras on a movie set for a scene that requires a crowd. I cant remember if it was this board or another that i posted on about requiring riders to to attend autograph sessions.I have never understood aurograph seekers in the first place but who the .... would want an autograph from someone who loathes the fact that you are taking up his valuable off time. There are people who really enjoy mingling with the masses,like John Force,and there are people who would just as soon stay in their motorhome and rest,like Matt Mladin. I dont give a .... either way,i have never in my life asked another human being for his autograph and i certainly dont think ANYONE should be forced to attend something as meaningless as an autograph session if he doesnt want to. It goes back to that Nascar control mentality where if you dont like what we do,you can go find another place to race.What DMG has failed to understand is the mental make up of bike people. They tend to want to do their own thing and not march to the same beat as the rest of the world. They tend to be rebellious by nature and are not corporate sponsorship dreams, they tend to be in your face and competitive,they tend to speak out when maybe they shouldnt but thats who they are,they refuse to be society robots. They tend to stick with their own because they are understood in those circles. DMG are not bike people,they are car people in business to make a buck and the motorcycle community has rejected them,pure and simple. Henny was right when he talked about passion for roadracing,its something you either have or you dont. I have taken many people to races who just didnt get it,stand around in the hot sun for 2-3 days, watch a pack of bikes go by every minute in a half and stand and wait for them to come by again. If the Harley crowd that DMG wants was interested in road racing,they would have been there long ago.When i go to the track,there are always some guys on Harley's and other big cruisers, they are race fans,not the biker poser setting down on mainstreet pretending to be a biker bad boys. To get that customer,you will have to open a strip club and a bunch of bars in the infield of every race track, thats their idea of a good time.Nothing wrong with that, I like ....... and beer myself, but i would rather watch a roadrace first, and then go look at ....... and drink beer.Bottom line, DMG has gotten itself into a sort of cultural war that they are losing at the moment,time will tell if they can turn either side.
The problem with the AMA is the same as it has always been---the venues. The venues are lethal and unprofitable. Only by sheer luck has the AMA been provided with a few decent places to race. Revenues generated by strong showings from international events have helped upgrade American facilities to safety standards that allow liter bike performance.
The AMA can go back to what it had at any time, but it can't attract the strength of a billion dollar racing company. Unfortunately, investment in our racing facilities is the only way out of this mess since fans (me included) won't accept drastically slower machinery.
DMG has made tons of mistakes in the micromanagement of the new AMA, from a macro perspective I think their changes have been successful (mainly cost cutting).
I don't care if DMG gets put out to pasture after they are compensated for doing the donkey work, but until then, does anyone see another mega-company who is willing to invest in the series?
I'm not DMG's lackey, I'm an opponent of anyone who can't analyze the problem dispassionately and realize where attention needs to be focused. Obviously, the storm cloud looming on the horizon is racing in the wet, but for right now, they need to divide the donkey work and get busy doing it.
DMG have got the rules package covered. They've also got to try to find sponsors. In the mean time the riders need to refrain from using profanity in a media setting, they have to plug their sponsors, and they need to sign autographs. The manufacturers have got to give factory support to bikes they don't love and they need to choose their battles with DMG wisely. The media need to.....................forget it, they're hopeless.
Newsflash: Edmondson is an opportunity and a threat!!!! Donkey work sucks!!!!!
How do these clowns make money repackaging the obvious week after week?
The problem with the AMA is the same as it has always been---the venues. The venues are lethal and unprofitable. Only by sheer luck has the AMA been provided with a few decent places to race. Revenues generated by strong showings from international events have helped upgrade American facilities to safety standards that allow liter bike performance.
The AMA can go back to what it had at any time, but it can't attract the strength of a billion dollar racing company. Unfortunately, investment in our racing facilities is the only way out of this mess since fans (me included) won't accept drastically slower machinery.
DMG has made tons of mistakes in the micromanagement of the new AMA, from a macro perspective I think their changes have been successful (mainly cost cutting).
I don't care if DMG gets put out to pasture after they are compensated for doing the donkey work, but until then, does anyone see another mega-company who is willing to invest in the series?
I'm not DMG's lackey, I'm an opponent of anyone who can't analyze the problem dispassionately and realize where attention needs to be focused. Obviously, the storm cloud looming on the horizon is racing in the wet, but for right now, they need to divide the donkey work and get busy doing it.
DMG have got the rules package covered. They've also got to try to find sponsors. In the mean time the riders need to refrain from using profanity in a media setting, they have to plug their sponsors, and they need to sign autographs. The manufacturers have got to give factory support to bikes they don't love and they need to choose their battles with DMG wisely. The media need to.....................forget it, they're hopeless.
Newsflash: Edmondson is an opportunity and a threat!!!! Donkey work sucks!!!!!
How do these clowns make money repackaging the obvious week after week?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 27 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In this is a case of Edmundson shooting off his mouth, talking about safety and how riding in the wet is going to happen at every race should it rain. That very instance comes up, riders tell him to get ......, he moves the race to the day before when it's dry but rather than saying because it's because of the weather, he says it's because of Dunlop not having the tires. A blatant lie.
Austin, do you remember what Edmondson’s response was to rider's concerns last year about a certain track that was unsafe? Perhaps Mr. Shupe could help me with this ( I think he had mentioned it), so I'll just paraphrase: 'the tracks are "safe" but if the rider ‘thinks’ its unsafe, then its just unsafe for ‘him’” Something along those lines. It still upsets me to here a man who isn't putting himself at risk to say something so denigrating to the participants who want to voice their concerns about rider safety.
Somewhere in these threads I mentioned a rider at Fontana said he would not take the grid if the conditions of rain and WIND persisted at race time. I didn't mention the man's name because he said it in confidence. But I can tell you he is one of the top 5 guys in the series and a name everybody would recognize. Think about the pressure he is under, he wants to compete, they are paying him to compete, but the sanctioning body doesn't make his safety a paramount concern and if he voices it publicly, he may get censured like the kangaroo court that has transpired over Hacking. Now this is a TOP 5 guy! What standing does the up and comers have?
When I woke up this morning and read this article, it was like relief that somebody is talking about this publicly. I actually had a 2-hour conversation last night with two insiders, one a racer and the other a photographer, and all we talked about was exactly what was in this article. Kudos to the author!
Austin, do you remember what Edmondson’s response was to rider's concerns last year about a certain track that was unsafe? Perhaps Mr. Shupe could help me with this ( I think he had mentioned it), so I'll just paraphrase: 'the tracks are "safe" but if the rider ‘thinks’ its unsafe, then its just unsafe for ‘him’” Something along those lines. It still upsets me to here a man who isn't putting himself at risk to say something so denigrating to the participants who want to voice their concerns about rider safety.
Somewhere in these threads I mentioned a rider at Fontana said he would not take the grid if the conditions of rain and WIND persisted at race time. I didn't mention the man's name because he said it in confidence. But I can tell you he is one of the top 5 guys in the series and a name everybody would recognize. Think about the pressure he is under, he wants to compete, they are paying him to compete, but the sanctioning body doesn't make his safety a paramount concern and if he voices it publicly, he may get censured like the kangaroo court that has transpired over Hacking. Now this is a TOP 5 guy! What standing does the up and comers have?
When I woke up this morning and read this article, it was like relief that somebody is talking about this publicly. I actually had a 2-hour conversation last night with two insiders, one a racer and the other a photographer, and all we talked about was exactly what was in this article. Kudos to the author!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 27 2009, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DMG are not bike people,they are car people in business to make a buck and the motorcycle community has rejected them
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 27 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem with the AMA is the same as it has always been---the venues. The venues are lethal and unprofitable. Only by sheer luck has the AMA been provided with a few decent places to race. Revenues generated by strong showings from international events have helped upgrade American facilities to safety standards that allow liter bike performance.
The AMA can go back to what it had at any time, but it can't attract the strength of a billion dollar racing company. Unfortunately, investment in our racing facilities is the only way out of this mess since fans (me included) won't accept drastically slower machinery.
DMG has made tons of mistakes in the micromanagement of the new AMA, from a macro perspective I think their changes have been successful (mainly cost cutting).
I don't care if DMG gets put out to pasture after they are compensated for doing the donkey work, but until then, does anyone see another mega-company who is willing to invest in the series?
I'm not DMG's lackey, I'm an opponent of anyone who can't analyze the problem dispassionately and realize where attention needs to be focused. Obviously, the storm cloud looming on the horizon is racing in the wet, but for right now, they need to divide the donkey work and get busy doing it.
DMG have got the rules package covered. They've also got to try to find sponsors. In the mean time the riders need to refrain from using profanity in a media setting, they have to plug their sponsors, and they need to sign autographs. The manufacturers have got to give factory support to bikes they don't love and they need to choose their battles with DMG wisely. The media need to.....................forget it, they're hopeless.
Newsflash: Edmondson is an opportunity and a threat!!!! Donkey work sucks!!!!!
How do these clowns make money repackaging the obvious week after week?
They have THEIR rules package covered,the rules package that everyone hates. They make .... up as it goes and that is not a rules package,thats a dictatorship, JUST LIKE NASCAR. What do you think the Japanese OEM;s would have done back in Sept of last year [before they commited funds to this years series] If DMG had released the rules and all the competition exceptions to the Buell. Since that commitment, and right before Daytona,they snuck in a competition bulletin affective immediatley. Have you even bothered to look at what they gave Buell,its mindboggling. It is now a prototype one off race bike that resembles nothing that the original set of rules stated.The rules are the problem,when we looked at them 6 months ago,we had discussions about how easy it would be to manipulate them in Buells favor and it has happened. The Rules Suck
The AMA can go back to what it had at any time, but it can't attract the strength of a billion dollar racing company. Unfortunately, investment in our racing facilities is the only way out of this mess since fans (me included) won't accept drastically slower machinery.
DMG has made tons of mistakes in the micromanagement of the new AMA, from a macro perspective I think their changes have been successful (mainly cost cutting).
I don't care if DMG gets put out to pasture after they are compensated for doing the donkey work, but until then, does anyone see another mega-company who is willing to invest in the series?
I'm not DMG's lackey, I'm an opponent of anyone who can't analyze the problem dispassionately and realize where attention needs to be focused. Obviously, the storm cloud looming on the horizon is racing in the wet, but for right now, they need to divide the donkey work and get busy doing it.
DMG have got the rules package covered. They've also got to try to find sponsors. In the mean time the riders need to refrain from using profanity in a media setting, they have to plug their sponsors, and they need to sign autographs. The manufacturers have got to give factory support to bikes they don't love and they need to choose their battles with DMG wisely. The media need to.....................forget it, they're hopeless.
Newsflash: Edmondson is an opportunity and a threat!!!! Donkey work sucks!!!!!
How do these clowns make money repackaging the obvious week after week?
They have THEIR rules package covered,the rules package that everyone hates. They make .... up as it goes and that is not a rules package,thats a dictatorship, JUST LIKE NASCAR. What do you think the Japanese OEM;s would have done back in Sept of last year [before they commited funds to this years series] If DMG had released the rules and all the competition exceptions to the Buell. Since that commitment, and right before Daytona,they snuck in a competition bulletin affective immediatley. Have you even bothered to look at what they gave Buell,its mindboggling. It is now a prototype one off race bike that resembles nothing that the original set of rules stated.The rules are the problem,when we looked at them 6 months ago,we had discussions about how easy it would be to manipulate them in Buells favor and it has happened. The Rules Suck
