Valencia Practice/Qualy Thread

[Motrix]

[quote name='rossiofsky' date='Nov 8 2009, 06:27 PM' post='217995']
the things i liked in this race were,

7. Hayden who had started his season like all the latest Ducati riders before him, could find something to change his fortune and that was nice as he finished 2wice on the podium and, and alsotoday could close his season with a 5th place and that was very good for him.

I believe hayden got on the podium only once this year, at Indy...

nice job by spies...i can see him being up in the battle for 4-5-6-7 next year. i would like for him to podium, but with the fantastic 4 (rossi-stoner-pedrosa-lorenzo), unless they mess up (possible) i don't see spies beating any of them straight up...

 

[Keshav]

No-one is expecting Spies to be in the top 4 in 2011. But he'll do well while learning
the circuits and adapting to the Bridgestones and personnel changes etc.
Then (if the stories are to be believed) in his first year as a non-rookie, he'll be
riding a 1000cc bike - something he already excels at. And if - as all the experts
here maintain, that translates to closer, more equally competitive racing, Spies will
really have a chance to shine. Remember; in 2006 there was no clear indication
that Stoner would turn out to be an Alien. What a difference a year makes.

And if the 1000cc rule really does go into effect in 2012, speculate about what that
will mean for Hayden after two seasons of busting his balls trying to finesse the 800.

And if Rossi has a tantrum and puts on the red leathers, picture him on a 1000cc Ducati.

Don't mind me... the wheels are just spinnin'.

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 9 2009, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No-one is expecting Spies to be in the top 4 in 2011. But he'll do well while learning
the circuits and adapting to the Bridgestones and personnel changes etc.
Then (if the stories are to be believed) in his first year as a non-rookie, he'll be
riding a 1000cc bike - something he already excels at. And if - as all the experts
here maintain, that translates to closer, more equally competitive racing, Spies will
really have a chance to shine. Remember; in 2006 there was no clear indication
that Stoner would turn out to be an Alien. What a difference a year makes.

And if the 1000cc rule really does go into effect in 2012, speculate about what that
will mean for Hayden after two seasons of busting his balls trying to finesse the 800.

And if Rossi has a tantrum and puts on the red leathers, picture him on a 1000cc Ducati.

Don't mind me... the wheels are just spinnin'.
I tend to think spies will be capable of winning on a factory bike whatever the formula.

 

[Mick D]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Nov 8 2009, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As talented as I think Spies is, I was surprised to see him qualify ahead of Toseland. That can't be good for Toseland's mind set.
Some how this surprised you? You just don't get it, like many out there, do you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Nov 8 2009, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good thing the season is over, cause something tells me he is going to need at least a month to get over that one.
same thing I said to the wife... "good thing this is the last race of '09 and not the first of '10 'cause Stacey would have been ripe for another "break" if this was '10!!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Nov 8 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies just got Dovi. That's about all the passing that's gonna happen.
Back to bed - this crap makes Eff Wun look exciting.

<edit> Oh, hell. Does J-Lo have a chance?
Freakin' fair-weather-fans... the ONLY reasons to watch this race were 1. Spies; 2. Edwards and 3. Pedrosa/Stoner/Lorenzo (2nd, 3rd, 4th battle) - all of those stories were epic with stories to last... what the .... were you expecting, exactly?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 8 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought spies might get a bit closer.
If it wasn't you Mike, my response would be, ".... off, he rode a immaculate race... WTF more could you have expected?"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Nov 8 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But hey, was the most entertaining incident on the warmup lap?
Yup... not to many posters talking about what a major ....-up that was... Me, I don't think Stacey's head's on right yet... Farkin' fast but never gonna be mare than an erratic head case from now on... I wouldn't bet a wooden nickel that he'll ever win another championship...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Nov 8 2009, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies was just about exactly as fast as I predicted. Not quite a wizard yet, but impressive to finish 7th.

In fact, looks like he could have finished as high as 4th if he had been more confident during the first 10 laps of the race.
Did ya read about his race strategy...? It was flippin' practice for him... his main aim was to not ....-up anyone else's race and to help Collie - mission accomplished, no?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 8 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm also impressed with Spies, not so much for the 7th position in itself (which would have been 8th had Stoner started in the race) but for the confidence with which he passed men like Dovi and De Puniet. The quality of those passes was very high, in a track where overtaking is never easy. A confidence a la Rossi. Chapeau
First salient observation after pages of ......s!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Nov 8 2009, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Simple reason. JTs abilities in riding is limited. Bens aren't. Comparing JT and Ben is like comparing Pele and Christiano Rolando. Once is a rising star and soon (hopefully) a legend, the other is a trend that will shine for a short period of time.

I didn't get to see the race. I heard it wasn't all that exciting so I don't seem like I missed anything. Except Stoner not starting. As for Ben, this is only the beginning. Its quiet sad that you other than my self are the only one who believes he can run in the top 5 next year.

Well effin done Spies and good luck in '10 .
:huh: :huh: WTF :huh: :huh: :huh: Pele is a footy god; Ronaldo has everest to climb before he reaches Pele's hights... <_<

Where the hell did you get the idea it was only you? Not too egocentric, eh?

 

[Mick D]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Nov 8 2009, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Poor Toseland. He was really upset when Perry interviewed him. At least he tried and got to race in MotoGP, which is more than a lot of riders will get the chance to do. He can look back one day and say he did it.
Don't ....... try to sugar-coat a phenomenally-worse-than-expected MGP career... JT never had it in MGP and never will get it back in WSBK - Mick's prediction... quote it if you like!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Nov 9 2009, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the things i liked in this race were,

1, Spies, the guy came along and kicked ... like he has been a regular racer of MotoGP.
and the way he overtakes looks like Vale but in a cool and calm body. He certainly deserve to get in motogp and i,m sure he,ll be the best rookie and will surely scores a few podiums.

2. Edwards, was this year very consistent and achived a lot, even if he didn't score any podium, but he did a lot better than his last years, he was in every race focused on finishing as high as possible. and he finished the season in front of Haden and Dovisiozo.

3. Poor Casey couldn't finished his season on a high, and he lost his 3th place also to Pedrossa.but about his accident as much as it looked a stupid mistake, but it can happen for everyone.

4. congratulations to Dani Pedrosa for wining an easy race, and finishing this season on a high.

5. Rossi who lookd in trouble yesterday, could save the day, and finish his last race of the year on podium and more important in front of Lorenzo his championship contender.

6. Lorenzo who yesteday was fighting for the pole position, at once today couldn't find his favorite setup, and couldn't find a chance for fighting for the race win, but anyway he also finished his season finally on the 2nd spot and on the 3th place of the podium and that was a really good result for a nice winter rest and sleep. He will be even more dangerous next year, and the question is will Rossi be able to fight and beat him again next year?
Great post up to here but... what??!!!? You actually think Jorge's gonna be the foil of Rossi?

7. Hayden who had started his season like all the latest Ducati riders before him, could find something to change his fortune and that was nice as he finished 2wice on the podium and, and alsotoday could close his season with a 5th place and that was very good for him.

8. Dovi was a disaster in the last quart of this championship, and especially today, while i thought he could beat Dani on Honda, he hasn't shown a good and solide form yet, and he lost the 5th place of the championship by 1 point, that shows the beter consistancy of Edwards.

the winter will be long without any races.
Great post except for the unfulfilled Lorenzo dreams...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Z4Kevo @ Nov 9 2009, 04:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's nice to see...in Spies' post race interview...how well he has his head screwed on. Being mindful of championship fights going on around him...keeping it clean for them and helping Colin as he could...and trying to not do anything stupid while he figured things out. And at the end of the day still finishing in the top 10. Bravo!
Touché - very well said!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Nov 9 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So in 08 Toseland should have got it for his 6th in his first GP? .........

I haven't watched Curves oil well vid yet but does it have soething to do with Premature ejaculation?

calm down guys theres a long way to go yet

Nah, it has more to do with an exploding butt plug intended for one "BowelMovement", ooops, I mean BarryMachine...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 9 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't feel sorry for him in the least. He's getting promoted from an uncompetitive team in a somewhat troubled series to a popular series with the reigning world superbike team. He's going to be chasing Bayliss' record next year and, if he's successful, he will have won for 3 different manufacturers.

I have no idea why he's whimpering on TV like his life is coming to an end. He's still going to be a signed with Yamaha's factory racing effort, and they can promote him back to MotoGP in 2012 just as easily as they demoted him. Toseland will probably run at the front next season so I imagine his paychecks will go up as well.

Boo hoo. If he's rides well in WSBK and MotoGP moves back to 1000cc, I believe Toseland will be back. He'll get a cush development job with someone.
You guys just don't get it... JT time is done... his best before date has past and his career has soured... you can't resurrect that ...., man...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 9 2009, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No-one is expecting Spies to be in the top 4 in 2011. But he'll do well while learning
the circuits and adapting to the Bridgestones and personnel changes etc.
Then (if the stories are to be believed) in his first year as a non-rookie, he'll be
riding a 1000cc bike
Uhmmm... no he won't - that's 2012 at the earliest, dude...

 

[Pigeon]

Saxo Bank's Stuart O'Grady has been admitted to hospital in Spain after he collapsed during a corporate event at the MotoGP circuit in Valencia on Sunday.

Australian news website Adelaidenow.com.au reports that the 36-year-old passed out after taking a hot-lap around the race circuit on a motorcycle piloted by Australian MotoGP rider Casey Stoner prior to the Valencia Grand Prix.

According to Cycling South Australia executive manager Max Stevens, O'Grady bit his tongue and collapsed while being introduced to other MotoGP riders on the race grid by Stoner.

"Casey Stoner started to interview Stuart and introducing him to these people," said Stevens. "Stuart couldn't answer the questions and then he collapsed. They called the medical team and luckily he had the doctors on standby for the race."

Stevens said that O'Grady had been admitted to hospital by doctors and was currently undergoing tests to determine the cause of the incident.

"We'll know more in the next couple of days," continued Stevens. "Ann-Marie, his wife, is at home in Monaco and we're getting all this information through third parties."

The winner of two Tour de France stages (1998, 2004) and Paris-Roubaix (2007), O'Grady has had to deal with health related issues during his 14 year career. In 2002, he underwent successful surgery to remove a blockage in his iliac artery which had caused a power imbalance in his legs.

O'Grady had passed a compulsory medical by MotoGP doctors prior to the lap with Stoner.

hope the guys ok.

 

[J708]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>

WTF

Pele is a footy god; Ronaldo has everest to climb before he reaches Pele's hights...

Where the hell did you get the idea it was only you? Not too egocentric, eh?


Ben is a legend waiting to happen, I hope

)

I got the idea Mick from the posts I've been reading lately. So many people on here are doubting what Spies might be capable of achieving next year, and only chose to compliment him when he did good this weekend. Give him the benefit of the fukin doubt for effs sake.

No I'm not too egocentric, but I know I've been smelling alot of doubt in the air.

 

[Wander]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 9 2009, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did ya read about his race strategy...? It was flippin' practice for him... his main aim was to not ....-up anyone else's race and to help Collie - mission accomplished, no?

Yes I did read it and that's exactly why I said what I did. If he had been as confident from the beginning as he was in the second part of the race, he could have finished as high as 4th. Obviously he didn't do that, cause he didn't want to risk anything, and I understand this, ok?

I was just observing just how fast he will potentially be once he gains more confidence.

 

[SuperShinya56]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Nov 9 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes I did read it and that's exactly why I said what I did. If he had been as confident from the beginning as he was in the second part of the race, he could have finished as high as 4th. Obviously he didn't do that, cause he didn't want to risk anything, and I understand this, ok?

I was just observing just how fast he will potentially be once he gains more confidence.


Keep dreaming. I have no doubt that he is capable of podiums next year, but as far as the Valencia race goes...... 4th place? No.

 

[Keshav]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 9 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup... not to many posters talking about what a major ....-up that was... Me, I don't think Stacey's head's on right yet... Farkin' fast but never gonna be mare than an erratic head case from now on... I wouldn't bet a wooden nickel that he'll ever win another championship...

What .....! Bollocks and all that British lingo. Stoner's been successfully using
that warm-up lap strategy to save fuel for several seasons now and this one
time he got caught out on a cool track on a windy day - and immediately, your
prediction is he's a lost cause. You should save posts like this for Vale's
Facebook page.

 

[Keshav]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 9 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhmmm... no he won't - that's 2012 at the earliest, dude...

Read - my - post - S-l-o-w-l-y. I said in his first non-rookie year bro.

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 10 2009, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What .....! Bollocks and all that British lingo. Stoner's been successfully using
that warm-up lap strategy to save fuel for several seasons now and this one
time he got caught out on a cool track on a windy day - and immediately, your
prediction is he's a lost cause. You should save posts like this for Vale's
Facebook page.
Typical cs bopper post!!

To be practical and in an attempt not use bias, cs has only proven to be extremely unpredictable since 07, more so of late. So to assume he will be back up there fighting for the title next year is a very big call, and to assume he won't be actually has more evidence for it providing your not bias....especially looking at the post test results, it seems cs and the duck have lost half a second to vr on one of their best circuits and typically yamahas worst.

Add spies, jl and dani in, all in great form on more consistent machinery and the odds keep stacking. Should be very interesting and hopefully entertaining in 2010

 

[BigAl]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 9 2009, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Typical cs bopper post!!

To be practical and in an attempt not use bias,
your attempt failed....

never mind the drivel that followed the rest of that.

 

[Mick D]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Nov 10 2009, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was just observing just how fast he will potentially be once he gains more confidence.
Ok, I understand this - I just do not think there was/is any lack of confidence... I think he made a prudent, and conscience decision.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 10 2009, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Read - my - post - S-l-o-w-l-y. I said in his first non-rookie year bro.
Yeah... now slowly buddy... his first non-rookie year is 2011 and he will still be on an 800 'cause the proposal to move to 1000s will not take affect 'till '12.

Kesh: "Then (if the stories are to be believed) in his first year as a non-rookie, he'll be
riding a 1000cc bike..."

David Emmett, motogpmatters: "The 800cc formula is dead. MotoGP is set to return to 1000cc from 2012, according to a proposal submitted to the Grand Prix Commission at Valencia today."

See how that works in slow-mo Kesh?

 

[awn1981]

i'm open to offers on CS to win the crown in 2010, what are the betting odds? I hope the whole world panics and decides that he can't ride bikes and ducs are crap, because he'll be challenging next year and i'll have 5 big ones on him.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (narstynarnst @ Nov 10 2009, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm open to offers on CS to win the crown in 2010, what are the betting odds? I hope the whole world panics and decides that he can't ride bikes and ducs are crap, because he'll be challenging next year and i'll have 5 big ones on him.
5 whole big ones! WOW, you must feel really stongly about this one. If I can get a mortgage on my house you got yourself a deal.

 

[Mastodon]

hey man, in this economic climate 5 bucks is alot of money

 

[Jumkie]

Good morning. I just woke up from two days of sleep. (My friends know why). Anyway, finally saw the race that was not.

Stoner, holy ...., what happened? Sucks because he had the pace to deny the midget a win, plus notch his 5th race win. (This thread is way too ....... long, I don't know whos bright idea was it to post race .... here but whoever it was, you're an ........) Even though no need to read it, I can imagine who said what. (Talpa & Co probably sucking Rossi's .... as usual thinking that must include ...... on Stoner).

Oh crap, I guess I should start with a congrats to Peders. (Sucks for Clarky, the two rounds he goes to and he has to stomach a Pedrosa win, thank God I didn't go).

Congrats to Rossi and Lorenzo for their podiums.

It was nice to see Edwards be top satellite and beat disappointment Dovi (who people predicted he's be so great).

Nicky Hayden did good to move up the field and end the season in a relatively high note. Consider that he was only 11 points from 7th (Elias) in the final championship standings. What might have been if only one of those torpedoes not happened, eh. All in all, end of a ...... season for him.

Spies, I think was the big story of the race. He passed people like a professional and not some foolhardy 250 rookie. (Which Hayden will, if the universe continues its ...... course, may have to deal with). BTW, I's like to say this: .... ALL OF YOU WHO PUT UP 250 RESULTS ON THIS THREAD. Go be stupid on the 250 thread!)

Suzuki, really? Loris Capirrossi is an example of the lack of parity and most misunderstood nature of prototype racing—its about the mouse trap (that means machine/package). The man is easily a top 6 rider in the world still, but helpless on a ...... machine. Didn’t they have a very successful ‘testing’ campaign at the start of the season? They will continue to be ...... until somebody manages that effort who gives a .... about winning.

Again, congrats to Rossi. Even though he wasn’t the fastest man of the season, he won on the staples of championships: consistency, smart strategy, health, fortune, and attrition from others, etc[Edit: forgot to add: superior machine]. No shame in those elements (though you couldn’t convince the boppers). Sadly he has managed to overshadow another title with an extremely ungracious demand that they get rid of his rival Lorenzo. Talk about whining. (Though I’m sure the boppers will take his lead and argue that he’s only doing it because he has been the sole developer; it appears the test riders, tire techs, crew chief & mechanics, plus the sea of engineers all sit around with their thumbs up their ..... since he takes all the credit). Perhaps somebody may need to explain his a mere employee and one of many participants in an open competition. Looks like the Bridgestone threats all over again. I just hope this time the series does not cave to his childish and unbecoming public tirade. Great rider flawed character. Nothing new really, everybody is human, but only Rossi gets a pass for such a public display of insolent ungraciousness. The man won a title, giver your mouth a rest.

 

[chockmoose]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 10 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good morning. I just woke up from two days of sleep. (My friends know why). Anyway, finally saw the race that was not.

Stoner, holy ...., what happened? Sucks because he had the pace to deny the midget a win, plus notch his 5th race win. (This thread is way too ....... long, I don't know whos bright idea was it to post race .... here but whoever it was, you're an ........) Even though no need to read it, I can imagine who said what. (Talpa & Co probably sucking Rossi's .... as usual thinking that must include ...... on Stoner).
...ramble ramble....

Again, congrats to Rossi. Even though he wasn’t the fastest man of the season, he won on the staples of championships: consistency, smart strategy, health, fortune, and attrition from others, etc.

Eh pepe, not the fastest? 306 points (BMW M3 award). Your hero 220 points

It Doesn't matter how you try to dress things up. You really are full of .... and seem to like seeing your own printed drivel. Was better when you were asleep.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chockmoose @ Nov 10 2009, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Eh pepe, not the fastest? 306 points (BMW M3 award). Your hero 220 points

It Doesn't matter how you try to dress things up. You really are full of .... and seem to like seeing your own printed drivel. Was better when you were asleep.

Release your lips from his .... and come up for air. So now you clowns are gonna throw points up? Why didn’t you guys have same logic in 06/07??? Hahaha must be nice having flexible logic. So tell me Chickmoose, who was the fastest in 06? Who was the fastest in 07? Ah all those attempts of rubbishing coming back to haunt you? Funny thing about double standards eh? There is a saying, 'those who talk .... fall faster than a cripple'. You boppers did plenty of .... talking, and now it all applies to your boy Rossi; swallow that.

Perhaps you may want to update you avi to a crying Rossi. He's the one doing all the whining.