VALENCIA 2011:RACE, end of era, CIAO MARCO

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Regarding fuel consumption and track conditions, of course I had considered both. I wasn't trying to explain why Spies was slower over the final laps and particularly the final sector on the last couple of laps, just that he was. Besides, the stats don't have to take anything into account - just to say what went down. We're the ones that do the taking into account a posteriori. And if you want to argue that the conditions favoured Stoner at the end of the race then why did they so clearly seem to favour Spies a few laps earlier?





I totally agree. My point is that he might have felt like he was giving it his all just like every other lap but for one reason or another his 100% just wasn't 100% anymore, if you know what I mean. Injuries, track conditions, running lean, no tyres left, snack attack, whatever.



I'm not out to argue, just making a point which isn't necessarily opposite to yours. The lap times and split times are enough for me to draw a certain conclusion, which is simply that whatever the reasons behind this particular finish were, it didn't just come down to Honda grunt as some people are painting it. I just don't want to have to put up with another round of 'he only won it because of the bike' ......... that's not aimed at you mate, I bet you feel the same, I just don't want to sit through more crap like after 2007.



Which reminds me, Lorenzo was up in the Spanish commentary booth early in the race and he spoke specifically about the difference between the Honda and the Yamaha. He stated very generously that the difference was smaller than everybody had made out, that it varied from track to track, and that at a number of circuits the Yamaha had an advantage this year. Takes a big man to say that when the easiest thing would just be to go with the flow and talk about the gearbox that costs more than a house. I wonder how this race would've turned out if he'd been riding.



To be fair, he's the top man at Yamaha and it behooves him to pedal a little bit of PR softsoap. He'd hardly sit in the commentator's box on live TV with millions listening, and say, "Man, Honda just whipped our ... this year."
 
To be fair, he's the top man at Yamaha and it behooves him to pedal a little bit of PR softsoap. He'd hardly sit in the commentator's box on live TV with millions listening, and say, "Man, Honda just whipped our ... this year."



He was commentating on the coverage I was watching also.....I have really warmed to J-Lo and he seems a good bloke and his commentary was very insightful.



I for one hope he can take the fight to Casey next year and Yam can field a competitive bike...he is the only guy with the talent to regularly challenge Stoner IMHO but he needs a capable steed if he is to be taking wins off him.
 
RDP on a Suzuki? This could get interesting.



Ducati still sucks, but judging by the times none of them had the wicked turned up. These bikes should fly in qualifying trim around Valencia.
 
I'm the first to admit, I know .... all about AMA, and never see the races televised........ (anyone know if AMA is on Speed in Aust ??)

Do the top AMA guys aspire to go to WSBK ???

Maybe the right step should be AMA / WSBK to Moto2, and then hopefully to MotoGP, rather than direct AMA / WSK to MotoGP. I think Spies is the best rider I have seen come from WSBK to MotoGP (with exception of Bayliss), and even on a factory Yamaha, he has generally struggled to match the outright speed of the top guys who came up through 125's / 250's.

So how do US riders get into that route, maybe Red Bull Rookies, and then to Moto 2.



It is but it seems to be sporadic and usually a few months old.



I have watched the occasional race but usually out of pure chance.
 
How'bout that japanese guy who nobody talks about? He did pretty good huh?

He actually did (though I know your being a ....). Anyway, I'm not Japanese, so I didn't know much about him. But considering he rides this bike for a living, I'd say having a dude on his ..., that's only seen the bike in pictures, sheds a bit of perspective.
 
That's some awesome shots. Have a look at Valentino, he is a tangled up mess haha!
 
the set when you scroll down

Hayden's Eyes looking to the left until he gets Torpedoed
 
I saw that, that's committed to the corner
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"if I just keep looking left, I might just make it!"
 
no his arm is straight its the elbow pad giving the impression of and odd shaped arm lol
 

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