Turkey minus 'The Pass'

Yeah that pass was before the real troubles got started and i think the result would look the same at the end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah that pass was before the real troubles got started and i think the result would look the same at the end.


The tyre was gonna go. Pretty sure of that.

I dont think we can blame Rossi for being pissed off at Elias, I dont think there is much love there anyway, looking at their history! It was a rough pass, could have ended in tears for both of them, so we cant expect Vale to be singing Elias praises. He is human, they all are! Remember last year when Haystack got pissed off at Pedrosa? That earned Pedrosa a lot of stick on here! when guys are going for it in the heat of the moment, mistakes happen, and mistakes and "over eager" overtakes are all part of racing.

I have to say that Hayboy impressed me on Sunday, ok the carnage around helped his result, but he looked hungry on the bike, which is good.

Maybe Vale is pissed off coz whenever Elias gets to the sharp end, there is always a problem between the 2 of them. If it s someone you are going head to head with every week, then you expect it, but if it's this guy who comes good every few races and then seems magnetically attracted to your bike, your gonna get pissed off at him!

Pete

The pass was the best of the whole race. There was nothing dangerous on that pass. For the first time Rossi was owned and he didn't like to get owned like that. This is the second time he gets owned by Elias. And getting owned just hurts a lot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 24 2007, 05:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont think we can blame Rossi for being pissed off at Elias
sure we can. he's bein a cry baby. if he can dish it out than he can take it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ Apr 24 2007, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The pass was the best of the whole race.
it was excellent!

A bit aggressive but fair.
Michelin had big problems, like it has already been mentioned I think he had problems before Elias over took him.

I have to say even if Rossi’s tyres were in good condition I don’t think he would have caught him…

I’m so happy that Stoner is beating .....

Have to say Hayden did well, he really looks uncomfortable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 24 2007, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont think we can blame Rossi for being pissed off at Elias

We cant blame him for being a bit pissed off, but complaining as he did is poor sportsmanship and not what i would expect from such a legend.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ Apr 24 2007, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There was nothing dangerous on that pass.

Every pass is dangerous to an extent, but i don't think this pass was really more dangerous than many others.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 24 2007, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The tyre was gonna go. Pretty sure of that.

I dont think we can blame Rossi for being pissed off at Elias, I dont think there is much love there anyway, looking at their history!
elias was a bit of a thorn in rossi's side last season and to be fair rossi bit his toung,i just think he finds elias's style reckless and doesnt want a repeat of last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 24 2007, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Except the fact they collided on the straight?

So perhaps it was safer than most. A rider has a much better chance of maintaining control in a straight line then in a corner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 24 2007, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you watch the midfield battles?

Rossi being owned, hmm....how would Toni do on a deteriorating tyre? (if and buts etc)
I definitely saw the midfield battles and they were good too. But to make a pass like that on Rossi ... Just amazing. I have never seen anyone pass Rossi like that. I have always known Rossi as the one that brakes at the very last moment, but Elias brakes even later. Pure class from Toni and thats why I think that was the best move of the race.

I don't think Rossi had problems of deteriorated tyres on that particular moment. He braked really late and went into that curve with a lot of risques. I don't think he would have done that with a deteriorate tyre. Even after that pass, his tyres were not deteriorate but they were deteriorating and after 7,8 laps his tyres were completely deteriorated.

So that pass has nothing to do with deteriorated tyres. It was a man to man battle and Rossi lost it. He never lost such battles but against Elias he had 2 of those battles and he lost them both. I don't think he is very happy about that.

Anyway, hat of for Toni and I hope he will be fighting for the title because after Portugal last year and the previous 2 races, I turned in a real Eliasfan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 24 2007, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Except the fact they collided on the straight?

Well, to be honest he shouldn't have done that. It was not dangerous but also not very nice. But does he has to be nice to Rossi ? Rossi isn't nice for his opponents either. He wasn't nice with Biaggi, they even fought. He wasn't very nice with Sete either. And he called Pedrosa a little kid and he said he was no man and that kind of stuff. I mean, if you want to beat Rossi, you don't have the possibility to do that in a gently fashion. The guy is a killer and to beat him you have to be a killer yourself.

I must admit it was nice to see Rossi being overtaken harder than usual.
It was nice to see him overtaken at all, not something we normally see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Apr 24 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I must admit it was nice to see Rossi being overtaken harder than usual.
It was nice to see him overtaken at all, not something we normally see.
have to admit it was a bit strange to see him go backwards. but u have to take the oportunity to enjoy a rare thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ Apr 24 2007, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I definitely saw the midfield battles and they were good too. But to make a pass like that on Rossi ... Just amazing. I have never seen anyone pass Rossi like that. I have always known Rossi as the one that brakes at the very last moment, but Elias brakes even later. Pure class from Toni and thats why I think that was the best move of the race.

I don't think Rossi had problems of deteriorated tyres on that particular moment. He braked really late and went into that curve with a lot of risques. I don't think he would have done that with a deteriorate tyre. Even after that pass, his tyres were not deteriorate but they were deteriorating and after 7,8 laps his tyres were completely deteriorated.

So that pass has nothing to do with deteriorated tyres. It was a man to man battle and Rossi lost it. He never lost such battles but against Elias he had 2 of those battles and he lost them both. I don't think he is very happy about that.

Anyway, hat of for Toni and I hope he will be fighting for the title because after Portugal last year and the previous 2 races, I turned in a real Eliasfan.
Well, to be honest he shouldn't have done that. It was not dangerous but also not very nice. But does he has to be nice to Rossi ? Rossi isn't nice for his opponents either. He wasn't nice with Biaggi, they even fought. He wasn't very nice with Sete either. And he called Pedrosa a little kid and he said he was no man and that kind of stuff. I mean, if you want to beat Rossi, you don't have the possibility to do that in a gently fashion. The guy is a killer and to beat him you have to be a killer yourself.

No exactly, Rossi did have deterioration in his tyres from at least lap 18 out of 22… this is just 4 laps into it. If you see my other post #126 at Thread “Turkey SPOILER” you’ll see this…


http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/index.php...120&#entry62436

But you may also like a lot the photo from Elias in post #128 in there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ Apr 24 2007, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. The pass was the best of the whole race. There was nothing dangerous on that pass.

2. I don't think Rossi had problems of deteriorated tyres on that particular moment.

3. So that pass has nothing to do with deteriorated tyres. It was a man to man battle and Rossi lost it. He never lost such battles but against Elias he had 2 of those battles and he lost them both. I don't think he is very happy about that.

4. Anyway, hat of for Toni and I hope he will be fighting for the title because after Portugal last year and the previous 2 races, I turned in a real Eliasfan.

5. Well, to be honest he shouldn't have done that. It was not dangerous but also not very nice. But does he has to be nice to Rossi ? Rossi isn't nice for his opponents either.

6. He wasn't nice with Biaggi, they even fought. He wasn't very nice with Sete either. And he called Pedrosa a little kid and he said he was no man and that kind of stuff. I mean, if you want to beat Rossi, you don't have the possibility to do that in a gently fashion. The guy is a killer and to beat him you have to be a killer yourself.

1. So I guess Elias him self must be a complete jerk when he specifically mention two dangerous moments during that pass. First when he bumped into Rossi on the straigt second when he lost grip on both tires at turn in.
A don't argue against rossi being a tough rider but to to claim there was nothing dangerous.....
The pass was as hairy as they come, but no one crashed so he got away with it and that should IMO be within regulations.

2-3. There has been shown snapshots of a torn tire on lap four, only backing up Rossi's claim that his troubles started as soon as the tire heated up. It's nice to think that Your Guy outbrake the "master" on any day but this time he did so with an advantage, besides, that corner are made for off the line kamikaze late braking that you get away with. It's very little anyone in front can do with that.

4. Welcome to the mindless cheerleader gang, or is that only reserved for the Rossi Fans? What do you say roger, do you think TE qualify
Just for the record, I also like Elias but as he mingles with the top the passes get more difficult so it remains to be seen what happens this season. I'm sure we will se him on the podium again, and hope we won't se him in the gravel with others.

5. Again, despite what your hero says? It's dangerous and straight up scrapping add an extra danger, the brake lever. This time it was elias lever at risk but even so a nap in that one could easily take out both. Even a touch at the clutch lever could upset Rossi's bike to create a crash.

6. In the other thread you said he Hated all those riders, in fact all riders that may beat him. A little bit too harsh? What about Hayden, Capirossi, Melandri, Stoner? Espesially he love a fight with capirossi. The way Stoner rides these days I bet he would love a fight with him to.
I think you make big mistake talking about enemies on the track. Off the track is a different matter, but still mostly a game. Something you will find on any track and to me part of the fun with racing. But most of all Rossi love riding and competing on a motorbike. To put "hate" into that seems very misplaced to me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 25 2007, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4. Welcome to the mindless cheerleader gang, or is that only reserved for the Rossi Fans? What do you say roger, do you think TE qualify
yes he qualifies.
funny how he supports tony by trying to pick holes in vale but lets face it theres not to much to talk up elias yet and he seems to only have fans because of his loose style or thats the impression i get from this fan.
i dont presume to no more about racing and passing than a 7 times world champ like some on here,
if rossi says its dangrous then it was dangrous, why disbelieve him,its not as if he is known for whining like biaggi or gibbers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 26 2007, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its not as if he is known for whining like biaggi or gibbers.

I think thats what the fuss is about. Rossi has either changed or developed a double standard and people don't like it. I may not be a fan, but i do like Rossi quite a lot, so i was fairly disappointed to read his comments like that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 26 2007, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would like to see his facial expressions when he utters the words, see how they were really meant.

Me too