Track Invasion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 23 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i dont no anything about westys dad so world class he aint,like father like son i suppose. im not trying to get into a pissing match, it was barrymachine that started the punch up talk. all i now is casey is a highly strung know it all kid who showed no respect to the likes of checa capi ect when he tried to kick them off there bike. the press rightly or wrongly seem to always report him whining about something or another then he wonders why he is not liked much. his fans make lame excuses like he is only young. im surprised no rider like capi or checa have not given him a knuckle sandwich in the paddock for his unsportsmanlike behaviour on the track.
Has he been petulant? Sure, no argument but he hasn't actually really kicked or attempted to kick anyone. Some of the events which have occasioned his petulance would lead to a 5 or 10 place relegation on the F1 grid. Maybe he should judge where he is placed when he attempts his fast lap better, since it doesn't seem to happen to rossi much, but people shouldn't be dawdling on the racing line at the end of practice when it is well known that the fast riders will attempt to snatch pole at the last minute. Now that I think of it, I don't really know why they do this, rather than on the second last lap, perhaps copying vale as it was his patented psychologically killing move.

Do australians take sport too seriously? Probably .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 23 2008, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now that I think of it, I don't really know why they do this, rather than on the second last lap, perhaps copying vale as it was his patented psychologically killing move.

More rubber to the ground -> more grip. I.e. the conditions are usually at their best at the end, so are the setup and so are the rider.
Stoner are often the fastest by a mile straight out of the depot and I'm afraid his urge to dominate the time sheets will bite back at some time. It's not a coincidence that the rest build speed over a full session.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 23 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has he been petulant? Sure, no argument but he hasn't actually really kicked or attempted to kick anyone. Some of the events which have occasioned his petulance would lead to a 5 or 10 place relegation on the F1 grid. Maybe he should judge where he is placed when he attempts his fast lap better, since it doesn't seem to happen to rossi much, but people shouldn't be dawdling on the racing line at the end of practice when it is well known that the fast riders will attempt to snatch pole at the last minute. Now that I think of it, I don't really know why they do this, rather than on the second last lap, perhaps copying vale as it was his patented psychologically killing move.

Do australians take sport too seriously? Probably .
shaking his head at time's to other riders is petulant, kicking at someone is quite a bit more imho. and i believe he did actually make contact with checas bike because checa looked down shortly after but either way he must realize such behaviour is not going to win new fans. all sports have there good boys and bad boys, stoner wants it both ways he behaves like the bad boy but wants to be treated like the good boy. if he doesnt win he storms in his garage and the doors come crashing down straight away, if he only gets a 2nd or 3rd he stands on the rostrum with a face like a wet weekend. some idiots on here stated he was the new doohan last year. i think they may be right but for the wrong reasons

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 23 2008, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>some idiots on here stated he was the new doohan last year. i think they may be right but for the wrong reasons

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 23 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
If you can walk the walk, you can talk the talk. I agree stoner has not sufficiently walked the walk yet and may never, but doohan definitely did.

I like the Hunter Thompson quote, by the way. I think another famous hunterism is apposite where doohan is concerned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 23 2008, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>shaking his head at time's to other riders is petulant, kicking at someone is quite a bit more imho.
Shaking his head at marco in his current situation is the one I find difficult to defend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 23 2008, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think another famous hunterism is apposite where doohan is concerned.
Which one Mike?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 23 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which one Mike?
When the going gets tough, the tough get going, although I prefer many of his more original ones in general, such as when the going gets weird the weird turn pro.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 23 2008, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When the going gets tough, the tough get going, although I prefer many of his more original ones in general, such as when the going gets weird the weird turn pro.

The Gonzo handle.

Howabout -

"I wouldn't recommend ..., drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 23 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Gonzo handle.

Howabout -

"I wouldn't recommend ..., drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me".
even his suicide note was a classic. i think it went something like "ive lived 20 years more than i wanted to" . but we wanted 20 more years out of you gonzo

Fans were giving stoner up middle finger and much more

As much as I like the donnington track I think they should take it away until the heathens learn how behave. I don't care who it is you should respect the riders for taking their lives to the track with the possibility they could die. Friggin .......... I like Stoner and all but again does it really matter? What is next at the circuit throwing .... onto the track? I would bet if they killed one of their own they would figure it out. I guess those people are the same ........ that get all pissed off when their soccer or what you euros call football lose a game. The Brits should all be ashamed and hopefully they get some real security.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 24 2008, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stoner like most aussies couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag, all mouth.


Aren't you a useless big fat lump of a pommie-lardbucket!?? ..... you have no call to be criticising

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 23 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Gonzo handle.

Howabout -

"I wouldn't recommend ..., drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me".Have you read his piece on testing the Ducati 916? It's called "Song Of The Sausage Creature" classic stuff.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Jun 24 2008, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you read his piece on testing the Ducati 916? It's called "Song Of The Sausage Creature" classic stuff.
I like the vincent black shadow stuff.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 23 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess those people are the same ........ that get all pissed off when their soccer or what you euros call football lose a game. The Brits should all be ashamed and hopefully they get some real security.

its actually you that calls it soccer, only in the US

as for the rest of the world its football.. and most people never heard of the NFL, i guess N stands for National.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 24 2008, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aren't you a useless big fat lump of a pommie-lardbucket!?? ..... you have no call to be criticising
you reckon ? dont believe all you read, may take the trip to pi next year .......

Isn't it interesting how many seem to blame the rider for the actions of others for whom they (the rider) does not have any responsibility?

Here we have some (and other forums I might add) blaming VR for the actions of his fans with their track invasion and juvenile behaviour towards CS. Did VR ask the fans to behave in the manner described? No (mine you, is is likely embarrassed)

At another point, we have CS being criticised because his garage door gets closed after what may well be a perceived bad performance. Did CS shut the door himself? No (he may well have asked)

CS criticises the behaviour of some sections of the crowd and is labelled a whinger/whiner. Yet many post in forums that the behaviour did occur and was poor, but still CS is labelled a whinger.

VR last year commented on his tyres failing him. To some he whinged yet we had a great many who said he was validated to complain/comment because their was factual evidence to back it up (pictures of the tyres).

Both CS and VR's comments were valid yet many who defended VR's as fact now label CS as a whinger for stating fact.

IMO, CS has shown no more 'petulance' that many (most) highly strung athlete, and these guys (and girls) are very highly strung as you have to be to succeed at this level.

The shame is that the track invasion seems to be foremost in peoples minds, yet the Brits had a winner for the first time in years, the racing was quite good (I don't need to see close stuff), and the weather lasted. Yet we (and many others) seem focused on the track invasion.




Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 23 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As much as I like the donnington track I think they should take it away until the heathens learn how behave. I don't care who it is you should respect the riders for taking their lives to the track with the possibility they could die. Friggin .......... I like Stoner and all but again does it really matter? What is next at the circuit throwing .... onto the track? I would bet if they killed one of their own they would figure it out. I guess those people are the same ........ that get all pissed off when their soccer or what you euros call football lose a game. The Brits should all be ashamed and hopefully they get some real security.

Wasn't it at Indy F1 where USA fans started throwing bottles and beer cans on track?

Does that mean as an American, you have to be ashamed?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 24 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The shame is that the track invasion seems to be foremost in peoples minds, yet the Brits had a winner for the first time in years, the racing was quite good (I don't need to see close stuff), and the weather lasted. Yet we (and many others) seem focused on the track invasion.
Garry

Good post - but I think your forgetting this is a thread about the track invasion.........not about the race itself There's plenty of brit backslapping going on in other threads

A question for the British.

Has this subject made the mainstream media in any way or has it been consigned to the sports pages?

Mind you, maybe I should ask whether Motorcycle racing gets mainstrem media cover in the UK first.





Garry