Top 5 motogp riders

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Nov 21 2009, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just want to make sure I can follow this;

1. You're certain that Spies should be higher than Dovi (article ranking) even though Ben's only completed a couple of GP races?
2. If he doesn't beat Dovi next year you contend he's still a better rider and have already determined the culprit for his loss before the first grid has even been formed.

WOW, that's a stretch don't you think?

You're comfortably in Spies Bopper territory now! Should Spies lose to Dovi you're positive it has nothing to do with him and even less to do with Dovi. It's all about the bike? Nothing more?

I'm just busting your chops but honestly, making excuses for why a guy might lose a race that's 12 months in the future is a bit presumptuous.

If Rossi went to ride for Suzuki and he ended up losing in 2010 to Pedrosa, would you still be confident that Rossi is better than Pedrosa?

Ben is a 5 time AMA champion (3 consecutive SBK) and he won the WSBK champion in his rookie season (best rookie season ever). Dovi is a 125cc European champion and 125cc GP world champion.

The accomplishments speak for themselves. Dovi doesn't get the nod just b/c he was brought up in the GP system. Unless Ben underachieves in dramatic fashion (i.e. Melandri 2008) or if Dovi wins a title next season, history has spoken.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 21 2009, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny how much we're all talking about the drama of new
rules limiting the number of engines and the anticipated
de-tuning, as (and those with better memories please
feel free to correct me) I don't recall much in the way major
teams in MGP having lost races due to engine failure.
Mostly it seemed to be stupid .... like broken foot peg,
loose handlebar, flapping fairing parts etc. - unlike in
WSBK where it seems there was always someone being
black flagged with huge clouds of smoke and oil pouring
out the back. How many engine failures were there last
year in MGP?
Surprisingly, it doesn't seem to be so prevalent in the 800cc era does it? I remember Toni got his foot very badly scalded when the Desmosedici let go last year, and he got hot oil spurted into his boot, but perhaps most fittingly spectacular of all was the Pedrocycle self destructing on Nicky at the Sachsenring in '07, and Randy Mamola hopping over pit lane wall to retrieve a mangled piece of valve stem live on Eurosport

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 21 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Rossi went to ride for Suzuki and he ended up losing in 2010 to Pedrosa, would you still be confident that Rossi is better than Pedrosa?

Ben is a 5 time AMA champion (3 consecutive SBK) and he won the WSBK champion in his rookie season (best rookie season ever). Dovi is a 125cc European champion and 125cc GP world champion.

The accomplishments speak for themselves. Dovi doesn't get the nod just b/c he was brought up in the GP system. Unless Ben underachieves in dramatic fashion (i.e. Melandri 2008) or if Dovi wins a title next season, history has spoken.

Rossi is a 9 time MotoGP title winner. He has MotoGP history from which he can be judged. Ben Spies has no such history. The article specifically mentioned the top 5 "MotoGP" riders. There was no mention or consideration to other racing titles American or otherwise. At this juncture, having raced in less than 4 GP's, I can't fathom how you could consider him one of the best current GP riders. He may indeed prove worthy of that honor but when? After 5 races, 10 races or an entire season? What constitutes noteworthy longevity?

To be considered the best at anything one would need to have cumulative and consistent results against the same peer group. Best in AMA, SBK, Moto2, BSB does not represent the same peer group, particularly if you regard MotoGP as the premier series in the world.

Would the number 1 NFL draft pick, who presumably had an extremely extraordinary college career be considered in the top 5 (in his position) in the NFL before he's taken consistent snaps? I don't think so unless you regarded his peers as unworthy of the title they already carry (which is plausible ie Canepa, Takahashi, etc). There is every reason to expect that Spies will earn top honors but to award them now, during the off season prior to him accumulating a comparative GP history is premature.

This is by no means a rebuke of Ben's accomplishments. I expect he'll earn plenty in GP but he has yet to embark on his first GP season. October 2010 will be the time to have this discussion. Only then can he be compared to his peers who have already earned the "best in the world" title by virtue of the fact that they compete in the premier championship series.

History has yet to speak. Whisper perhaps............

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Nov 21 2009, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is every reason to expect that Spies will earn top honors but to award them now, during the off season prior to him accumulating a comparative GP history is premature.

This is by no means a rebuke of Ben's accomplishments. I expect he'll earn plenty in GP but he has yet to embark on his first GP season. October 2010 will be the time to have this discussion. Only then can he be compared to his peers who have already earned the "best in the world" title by virtue of the fact that they compete in the premier championship series.

History has yet to speak. Whisper perhaps............
Agreed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Nov 22 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is a 9 time MotoGP title winner. He has MotoGP history from which he can be judged. Ben Spies has no such history. The article specifically mentioned the top 5 "MotoGP" riders. There was no mention or consideration to other racing titles American or otherwise. At this juncture, having raced in less than 4 GP's, I can't fathom how you could consider him one of the best current GP riders. He may indeed prove worthy of that honor but when? After 5 races, 10 races or an entire season? What constitutes noteworthy longevity?

To be considered the best at anything one would need to have cumulative and consistent results against the same peer group. Best in AMA, SBK, Moto2, BSB does not represent the same peer group, particularly if you regard MotoGP as the premier series in the world.

Would the number 1 NFL draft pick, who presumably had an extremely extraordinary college career be considered in the top 5 (in his position) in the NFL before he's taken consistent snaps? I don't think so unless you regarded his peers as unworthy of the title they already carry (which is plausible ie Canepa, Takahashi, etc). There is every reason to expect that Spies will earn top honors but to award them now, during the off season prior to him accumulating a comparative GP history is premature.

This is by no means a rebuke of Ben's accomplishments. I expect he'll earn plenty in GP but he has yet to embark on his first GP season. October 2010 will be the time to have this discussion. Only then can he be compared to his peers who have already earned the "best in the world" title by virtue of the fact that they compete in the premier championship series.

History has yet to speak. Whisper perhaps............


Thank you Levi ....... agreed.

We'll I don't get it, Levi... If we all waited for history to unfold WTF is the point of the forum in the off-season? What to post other than speculation... isn't that the point?

1- Rossi 2- Stoner 3- Lorenzo 4- Pedrossa 5- (Hayden, Dovisiozo, Melandry)

the same as last year, with the difference that this year i give to rivals for Dovisiozo, since he finished this year on the 6th place.

Big swap for 2 and 3, JL certainly deserves second spot presently, he is the only one currently taking it to VR all season long and provided us with some great moments in 09.

Dovi should certainly not be there in 5th either, there's only one number 5......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Nov 20 2009, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I love it .ffs.

Here are the Top 5 MotoGP riders in the World that are in the Grid in the 2009 season based on the survey of panel of experts that watches
almost every MotoGP race every season.


1.) Valentino Rossi – No one can argue that Valentino Rossi is one of the greatest MotoGP rider in his era or maybe of all time. He Won 9 championships including 7 in the premiere class of MotoGP , one in <span style="color:#FF0000<u>150cc,</u> and one in 250cc. Everybody agrees that he is the best rider to date.

This is only opinions of panel of experts and maybe different from person to person.

I GOT IT IT'S BUNNY'S BLOG........



and they say Pedrossa 4 because he FINISHED 4th in the championship (he got 3th)
Dovisiozo 5th because he finished 5th ( again Dovi finishe 6th and behind Edwards)

what a bunch of EXPERTS who got more than a few mistakes between only 5 riders.
i imagin they would have made much more mistakes if they wanted to give a number to all of the riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 22 2009, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We'll I don't get it, Levi... If we all waited for history to unfold WTF is the point of the forum in the off-season? What to post other than speculation... isn't that the point?

It's all yours! Didn't mean to ruin the fun. Disregard my last.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Nov 21 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is a 9 time MotoGP title winner. He has MotoGP history from which he can be judged. Ben Spies has no such history. The article specifically mentioned the top 5 "MotoGP" riders. There was no mention or consideration to other racing titles American or otherwise. At this juncture, having raced in less than 4 GP's, I can't fathom how you could consider him one of the best current GP riders. He may indeed prove worthy of that honor but when? After 5 races, 10 races or an entire season? What constitutes noteworthy longevity?

To be considered the best at anything one would need to have cumulative and consistent results against the same peer group. Best in AMA, SBK, Moto2, BSB does not represent the same peer group, particularly if you regard MotoGP as the premier series in the world.

Would the number 1 NFL draft pick, who presumably had an extremely extraordinary college career be considered in the top 5 (in his position) in the NFL before he's taken consistent snaps? I don't think so unless you regarded his peers as unworthy of the title they already carry (which is plausible ie Canepa, Takahashi, etc). There is every reason to expect that Spies will earn top honors but to award them now, during the off season prior to him accumulating a comparative GP history is premature.

This is by no means a rebuke of Ben's accomplishments. I expect he'll earn plenty in GP but he has yet to embark on his first GP season. October 2010 will be the time to have this discussion. Only then can he be compared to his peers who have already earned the "best in the world" title by virtue of the fact that they compete in the premier championship series.

History has yet to speak. Whisper perhaps............

OK, Rossi goes to WSBK to ride for Yamaha. Someone asks your opinion of the top 5 riders in WSBK. I hope you don't mention Rossi unless you whisper so no one can hear you

Ben just raced Dovi straight up at Valencia and won. It was Ben's first ride on the Yamaha M1, his first ride on the spec-Bridgestones, and only his second visit to the circuit. Dovi's teammate won the race on the same bike but with allegedly inferior suspension.

If only you had some sort of sign.

You can be slow to pass judgment if you want, but future events don't determine who is better today.

Here are [Is that how you start an Article?] the Top 5 MotoGP riders in the World [Redundant MotoGP and the World] that are in the Grid [If they are in MotoGP must be in the grid too] in the 2009 season [What… No comas?] based on the survey [Real data please] of panel of experts [Names?] that watches [Reruns or assists to races?] almost [Do they miss a few?] every MotoGP race every season [For 60 years?]. [What about the grammar? I am not complaining about Forum members spelling, but an Article from experts?].

1.) Valentino Rossi – No one can argue that Valentino Rossi is one of the greatest MotoGP rider in his era [Biaggi could be that one if his era was considered only 250cc] or maybe [Maybe is pretty statistical] of all time. He Won 9 championships including 7 in the premiere class of MotoGP [Is there a Premier Class that is not MotoGP?], one in 150cc [Pointed out already... 150?], and one in 250cc. Everybody agrees [I do, but not everybody in this Forum at least] that he is the best rider to date [Wasn’t it all time?].

2.) Casey Stoner – It is tough in the second place but every panel [How many panels?] of experts [With obviously no expertise] agree that Casey Stoner deserves to be in the second spot [Grammar again, please check] because he beat Valentino Rossi in 2007 [Two whole years ago, I am glad this experts watch almost all] season by a huge margin and could have fought the 2009 MotoGP title if he did not have his injuries [Injuries or was it illness?] that caused to miss him 3 races [Sounds like such an expert opinion].

3.) Jorge Lorenzo – Jorge Lorenzo is in 3rd spot becaused [becaused?] of his 2009 performance by fighting Valentino Rossi in every Grand Prix [Grammar, grammar, grammar]. Even though he did not beat Valentino in the Championship [Really?] he proved that he could be a world champion someday [Yeah, it is a possibility someday].

4.) Dani Pedrosa – Dani Pedrosa is in our 4th spot. [Period, I mean after the word spot] even though he did not have a competitive bike [What?] he is a consistent points scorer [Except when injured] and one [or is it Won? Could be Juan too?] a GrandPrix in the 2009 season and finished 4th [3rd as mentioned already] in the standings.

5.) Andrea Dovizioso – Andrea Dovizioso is in our 5th spot becaused [becaused again?] he is he won [Which one is it? He is or he won] a GrandPrix in a very tight [Tight, except when he wan] 2009 MotoGP season and ride against the top dog [Only one top dog?] of MotoGP [I deduct it is Premier Class and a World event from the data gathered in the experts article].

Holly crap!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 22 2009, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Holly crap!
For a post criticizing proper spelling and grammar, you should really have a second look at your own. So who exactly is this Ms. Crap? And why did you mention her?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 22 2009, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For a post criticizing proper spelling and grammar, you should really have a second look at your own. So who exactly is this Ms. Crap? And why did you mention her?

I was not trying to criticize that much grammar or spelling, as English is my second language it gets tough for me, and sometimes I don’t even notice. Although I try hard to be correct if you have noticed… Anyway, I was trying to point what an ‘Un-expert’ or ‘Un-pro’ the so called Article ‘based on a panel of experts’ was. It is not that I am going to publish my own articles in a newspaper or the likes, but I would not call myself ‘expert’ after all those mistakes as they did. So if they tried to give credibility to their ‘survey’ about Riders, I think they did pretty badly!

All my post was a joke mate!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 22 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was not trying to criticize that much grammar or spelling, as English is my second language it gets tough for me, and sometimes I don’t even notice. Although I try hard to be correct if you have noticed… Anyway, I was trying to point what an ‘Un-expert’ or ‘Un-pro’ the so called Article ‘based on a panel of experts’ was. It is not that I am going to publish my own articles in a newspaper or the likes, but I would not call myself ‘expert’ after all those mistakes as they did. So if they tried to give credibility to their ‘survey’ about Riders, I think they did pretty badly!

All my post was a joke mate!
I figured it was a joke, I just caught the wrong bits. Sorry V. Y yo se que ingles es tu idioma segundo, y necesito decir que hablas el idioma muy bien.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 22 2009, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I figured it was a joke, I just caught the wrong bits. Sorry V. Y yo se que ingles es tu idioma segundo, y necesito decir que hablas el idioma muy bien.

No hay problema hermano, y muchas gracias por indicarme mis errores, tanto en información, como en preferencias por pilotos, y también en Inglés. De forma que yo pueda seguir aprendiendo siempre de gente como tu Austin. Saludos bro!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slipstream @ Nov 20 2009, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://sportales.com/motorsports/top-five-...re-in-the-grid/

Dovi is in 5th??..."Experts", ha???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Nov 23 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dovi is in 5th??..."Experts", ha???


This winter break is really suck..Only football and no motogp or superbike.
Yeah we need this kind of discussion to warm up for the first testing in Sepang next year..
I bet Spies will love to be in Sepang for his 1st test there.

top 5.....??? please reconsider
1. valentino rossi = yeachhh... what about doohan, mccoy, etc
2. casey stoner = give him a honda or yamaha then what happen???
3. jorge lorenzo = too soon wait till 2010 or when ben spice on factory bike
4 pedrobot = hem.... nop but no.4 it's ok ....
5. please no andrea how about melandri - he the one who have a uncompetitive bike but he can fast enough

(grammar no good ha)

I believe there can be different approaches in writing down that list. Do we consider what those riders did in this season? (I) Or do we consider what those riders could have potentially done? (II)

Here are my thoughts:

I)
1. Rossi deserves #1 position. He's won the championship.
2. Jorge Lorenzo finished 2nd in the championship and was the one who pushed Rossi the most.
3. Stoner showed he's a great rider, he just need to find the right shape.
4. Pedrosa as always doesn't seem to like head to head battles but managed to win twice.
5. Colin Edwards finished 5th, rode constistently and maybe deserved the win in Donington.

II)
1. Rossi can often still tame his younger rivals, he showed some breath-taking passes and his talent is immense as always.
2. Stoner, when healthy, is phenomenal. Probably the only one who keeps this forum's name from being outdated.
3. Lorenzo is a though and fast rider, maybe still lacks a bit of that talent shown by Rossi and Stoner.
4. Pedrosa can't deliver the same emotions as the first three do, but he's constantly fast.
5. Dovizioso is a good rider who must find a better bike setup. The 2008 promise has not been respected yet, but I bet he'll do well next seasons.