Top 5 motogp riders

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slipstream @ Nov 19 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://sportales.com/motorsports/top-five-...re-in-the-grid/

Championship Standings differ.

There is also a big ‘IF’.

Just saying!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 20 2009, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Championship Standings differ.

There is also a big ‘IF’.

Just saying!
You guys do like to have it both ways don't you ? . The championship standings in 2006 and 2007 did not seem to be very universally regarded as reflecting the status of the riders for those years let alone overall/over their careers (just saying ).

I personally will concede that it is reasonable to say stoner was only the fourth best rider this year as you imply since that is where he finished; any vicissitudes which may have contributed to him not finishing higher are his problem and of no concern to his competitors. I trust if he does do better next year you guys will be consistent in your attitude.

I actually didn't rate rossi as 3rd best in 2007 behind pedrosa in second despite the championship standings since valentino admirably in my view continued to try to win races rather than take results which would have allowed him to finish second. One of the qualities I admire in stoner is that like rossi over most of his career he tries to win the majority of races he enters rather than riding for position; he obviously still has a long way to go with results in comparison to rossi and has perhaps not definitely yet proven that he is not being arrogant in having this attitude.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 19 2009, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You guys do like to have it both ways don't you ? . The championship standings in 2006 and 2007 did not seem to be very universally regarded as reflecting the status of the riders for those years let alone overall/over their careers (just saying

).

I personally will concede that it is reasonable to say stoner was only the fourth best rider this year as you imply since that is where he finished; any vicissitudes which may have contributed to him not finishing higher are his problem and of no concern to his competitors. I trust if he does do better next year you guys will be consistent in your attitude.

I actually didn't rate rossi as 3rd best in 2007 behind pedrosa in second despite the championship standings since valentino admirably in my view continued to try to win races rather than take results which would have allowed him to finish second. One of the qualities I admire in stoner is that like rossi over most of his career he tries to win the majority of races he enters rather than riding for position; he obviously still has a long way to go with results in comparison to rossi and has perhaps not definitely yet proven that he is not being arrogant in having this attitude.

You are totally right mate. I got carried away at Bungip's post, sorry bro. 2006 and 2007 you got them right!

I love it .ffs.

Here are the Top 5 MotoGP riders in the World that are in the Grid in the 2009 season based on the survey of panel of experts that watches
almost every MotoGP race every season.


1.) Valentino Rossi – No one can argue that Valentino Rossi is one of the greatest MotoGP rider in his era or maybe of all time. He Won 9 championships including 7 in the premiere class of MotoGP , one in <span style="color:#FF0000<u>150cc,</u> and one in 250cc. Everybody agrees that he is the best rider to date.

This is only opinions of panel of experts and maybe different from person to person.

I GOT IT IT'S BUNNY'S BLOG........

I saw the same thing Pigeon!!! wonder who 'the panel of experts' are

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Nov 20 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I saw the same thing Pigeon!!! wonder who 'the panel of experts' are
Hmmm... SS, Pinky, Tom, BowelMachine, and the writer???

Published on November 8, 2009 by slipstream in Motorsports.Edit your post dude.150.cc

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Nov 20 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I saw the same thing Pigeon!!! wonder who 'the panel of experts' are


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 20 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmm... SS, Pinky, Tom, BowelMachine, and the writer???

Yeah come on own up EXPERTS don't be shy.

fook these experts names are worth a poll and a bet at the bookies.

PINKSTER
TOM THUMB.
SOAKER
SUPERSHIT56
#27
BUNY
??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slipstream @ Nov 19 2009, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://sportales.com/motorsports/top-five-...re-in-the-grid/

1-4 is right
not so sure about #5.
I would rate Melandri ahead of Dovi and next year i would rate Spies ahead of him.There is a huge gap between Dovi and Pedrosa on the same machinery

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 20 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1-4 is right
not so sure about #5.
I would rate Melandri ahead of Dovi and next year i would rate Spies ahead of him.There is a huge gap between Dovi and Pedrosa on the same machinery

Andrea Dovizioso 5th!! I dont think so!! And How can you say Spies for next year?, can you see into the future?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Nov 20 2009, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Andrea Dovizioso 5th!! I dont think so!! And How can you say Spies for next year?, can you see into the future?
Spies may or may not finish ahead of Dovi next year but the difference will be the bike,not the rider.The sattelite teams need to decide what success means with the new engine rule. If the final standings is what they deem as succes,they will play it safe with the engine tune and try to garner points to finish as the highest customer team. If podiums and POSSIBLY a win are considered more important than final standings.they can throw caution to the wind and tune the bikes for maximum performance and hope for the best,knowing the factory teams are going to err on the side of caution for the championship.In other words, if you are a sattelite team,would a couple of podiums and maybe a win be worth a couple of DNF's and a lower final standing.Considering the fact that a sattelite bike has not sniffed a win in the 800 era, i know which way i would go.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 20 2009, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In other words, if you are a sattelite team,would a couple of podiums and maybe a win be worth a couple of DNF's and a lower final standing.Considering the fact that a sattelite bike has not sniffed a win in the 800 era, i know which way i would go.

The more I think about this one, the more that I would gamble if I was a sattelite team. Can you imagine a 10-14 rider grid because all the satellite teams are gambling with their engines

I can't imagine how this rule is going to save any money. Dorna will definitely lose money in their viewership when their series really starts to suck. Has someone frmo Dorna made a press conference where the tough questions were asked and answered. Can anyone link me?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 20 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmm... SS, Pinky, Tom, BowelMachine, and the writer???


Aww you dubbo! how can it be me!??

I would have placed Stoner above Rossi!

I knew it as I wrote it, yet it flowed so well.

Funny how much we're all talking about the drama of new
rules limiting the number of engines and the anticipated
de-tuning, as (and those with better memories please
feel free to correct me) I don't recall much in the way major
teams in MGP having lost races due to engine failure.
Mostly it seemed to be stupid .... like broken foot peg,
loose handlebar, flapping fairing parts etc. - unlike in
WSBK where it seems there was always someone being
black flagged with huge clouds of smoke and oil pouring
out the back. How many engine failures were there last
year in MGP?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 20 2009, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies may or may not finish ahead of Dovi next year but the difference will be the bike,not the rider.The sattelite teams need to decide what success means with the new engine rule. If the final standings is what they deem as succes,they will play it safe with the engine tune and try to garner points to finish as the highest customer team. If podiums and POSSIBLY a win are considered more important than final standings.they can throw caution to the wind and tune the bikes for maximum performance and hope for the best,knowing the factory teams are going to err on the side of caution for the championship.In other words, if you are a sattelite team,would a couple of podiums and maybe a win be worth a couple of DNF's and a lower final standing.Considering the fact that a sattelite bike has not sniffed a win in the 800 era, i know which way i would go.


It’s an interesting idea but it assumes the satellite teams will have any say in what state of tune they will put the engines in and I'm not sure if this is the case. I'm pretty sure it's the factories that do the work on the engines and I can not see them risking their engines breaking down for the chance that they might have an advantage over their factory team for the odd race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (white758 @ Nov 21 2009, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It’s an interesting idea but it assumes the satellite teams will have any say in what state of tune they will put the engines in and I'm not sure if this is the case. I'm pretty sure it's the factories that do the work on the engines and I can not see them risking their engines breaking down for the chance that they might have an advantage over their factory team for the odd race.

I believe you are absolutely right.
And welcome to the forum.

I would say they are not allowed to split the cases, but it would suprise me if they cannot change the state of tune with all the electronics involved. Everyone is free to tune the bike to fuel mileage and that is nothing but increasing or decreasing power output.To save engine life,i can see a factory team that is in contention for a title running a lower output at times to save an engine instead of risking a DNF or penalty for engine change.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 20 2009, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies may or may not finish ahead of Dovi next year but the difference will be the bike,not the rider.The sattelite teams need to decide what success means with the new engine rule. If the final standings is what they deem as succes,they will play it safe with the engine tune and try to garner points to finish as the highest customer team. If podiums and POSSIBLY a win are considered more important than final standings.they can throw caution to the wind and tune the bikes for maximum performance and hope for the best,knowing the factory teams are going to err on the side of caution for the championship.In other words, if you are a sattelite team,would a couple of podiums and maybe a win be worth a couple of DNF's and a lower final standing.Considering the fact that a sattelite bike has not sniffed a win in the 800 era, i know which way i would go.

I just want to make sure I can follow this;

1. You're certain that Spies should be higher than Dovi (article ranking) even though Ben's only completed a couple of GP races?
2. If he doesn't beat Dovi next year you contend he's still a better rider and have already determined the culprit for his loss before the first grid has even been formed.

WOW, that's a stretch don't you think?

You're comfortably in Spies Bopper territory now! Should Spies lose to Dovi you're positive it has nothing to do with him and even less to do with Dovi. It's all about the bike? Nothing more?

I'm just busting your chops but honestly, making excuses for why a guy might lose a race that's 12 months in the future is a bit presumptuous.

Presumptuous... welcome to silly season levi, ya ain't seen nothin' yet!!