This sounds familiar...

baturro

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I completely agree with you!  Which is why I don't understand all the bitchin' and complaining about Spanish dominance.  It's always been an ebb and flow in all aspects of sport.  Just seems like all the sporting stars have aligned for Spain recently.  World Cup and Euro champs in futbol, Nadal storming back to number one in tennis, National basketball team is in the top 3 in the world, handball and futsal champs.  It's a combination of working hard and luck.  There is no way a little country like Spain could rig Moto GP and the rest of the sports!! 

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You dont understand because you take it personally. It's not personal. It's just math and business. The best routes into MotoGP are overstocked with Spaniards, and when foreigners try to showcase their talent in the Spanish country club, they generally run into a nationalistic buzzsaw. Some silly people have attempted to classify the arrangement as genuine meritocracy, which defies the laws of statistics and probability.


 


The ring-leader of the anti-Spanish movement is a Spaniard, who is worried about financial-disorders and talent-retardation associated with competitive inbreeding. He threatened quotas at first, but now it looks like he is going to go find sponsors for the hapless non-Spaniards by turning CEV into a continental feeder series.

baturro

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Some may not regard this guy very highly, but I don't think he's making anything up.


 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/24272739


 


Britain doing pretty good for a small country...  I guess that means USA is doing horse .....

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Women's golf is more popular in the US than MotoGP.  Nobody here gives a .... all about motorcycle racing, how many Yanks are in it or if they're doing well.   If Spain produces the most talent, good for them.  Who cares?  I just don't see the controversy.  


 


I'm not the least bit offended by the lack of US presence in the sport.  Bike racing is simply not on the radar here (save Supercross).  That will not change.  We have plenty of other sports to keep our attention.  I enjoy GP, having no Americans ruin's nothing for me.  I don't think it does for any of the other Yanks on the forum frankly.  

levigarrett

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Women's golf is more popular in the US than MotoGP.  Nobody here gives a .... all about motorcycle racing, how many Yanks are in it or if they're doing well.   If Spain produces the most talent, good for them.  Who cares?  I just don't see the controversy.  


 


I'm not the least bit offended by the lack of US presence in the sport.  Bike racing is simply not on the radar here (save Supercross).  That will not change.  We have plenty of other sports to keep our attention.  I enjoy GP, having no Americans ruin's nothing for me.  I don't think it does for any of the other Yanks on the forum frankly.  

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This.


 


When I first started watching MotoGP and before I came here I don't think I gave nationalities a thought. At least not much of one. I've never heard a Spaniard complain there aren't enough Spaniards in the NHL, it would be silly of me to complain about not enough Canadians in MotoGP. Certain countries nurture the development of their youth in certain sports, others don't.


 


Just give the bikes more gas. FU Honda. 

levigarrett

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Women's golf is more popular in the US than MotoGP.  Nobody here gives a .... all about motorcycle racing, how many Yanks are in it or if they're doing well.   If Spain produces the most talent, good for them.  Who cares?  I just don't see the controversy.  


 


I'm not the least bit offended by the lack of US presence in the sport.  Bike racing is simply not on the radar here (save Supercross).  That will not change.  We have plenty of other sports to keep our attention.  I enjoy GP, having no Americans ruin's nothing for me.  I don't think it does for any of the other Yanks on the forum frankly.  

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Dude.... what are you talking about?  I'm GLAD that in the United States, motorsports racing is under the radar!  I can't stand idiotic American fans polluting "my" sport, as they always seem to do with everything.  It's like my dirty little secret that no one knows, and I intend to keep it that way!

SS, I think thats the first thing you have spouted that I somewhat agree with! Good work.

povol

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I never looked at allowing Marquez to join Repsol as favoritism. It was a stupid rule that never affected a rider, so who were they showing favoritism against. It was a wrong that needed righting. Its like the absurd rule in the NFL that you cant play in the NFL until after your high school classes junoir year in college. If a kid can play at 18- 19 years old   he should be allowed to pursue his profession, period.  If he fails and loses his amatuer standing, thats his problem.

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I agree about the rookie rule.


 


I think MM did get lenient treatment for the Willairot incident though, but because Dorna saw him as the next big thing/their next meal ticket, not because he was Spanish. I am sure Dorna would happily promote a rider of any nationality, race or creed who displayed Rossi-like talent and charisma.


 


I do agree with Jumkie to an extent, that the current circumstances advantage Spanish riders, although without this necessarily being a conspiracy. If the major feeder series is in Spain, and the sponsors, and to a lesser extent the team owners in the lower classes are Spanish, it is hard to argue this doesn't advantage Spanish riders. I also agree with Jumkie that Stoner is not really proof of anything different. As against Pedrosa, to whom he fairly inarguably imo proved superior as a premier class rider, he didn't immediately get plum factory rides in the junior classes or the premier class, and as Jumkie has said it was a fairly unlikely chain of circumstances that led to the chance at Ducati which he grasped; he was Ducati's 3rd or 4th choice. He could easily have languished at LCR without a competitive bike, or competitive tyres at the least, and have had Randy De Puniet's career.   


 


This doesn't mean that Lorenzo isn't a rider for the ages, or that MM won't prove to be such a rider beginning with a rookie championship this year. Dani on the other hand imo is a talented fast rider without the last few percent of whatever it is the greats have (which definitely includes luck), and has (again imo) been advantaged by being Spanish, Repsol being a major sponsor of GP racing, Puig's connections and multiple hat wearing in the past, etc. I am not sure all the current Spanish junior class riders are necessarily going to be premier class greats either.

mylexicon

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 The best routes into MotoGP are overstocked with Spaniards, and when foreigners try to showcase their talent in the Spanish country club, they generally run into a nationalistic buzzsaw. Some silly people have attempted to classify the arrangement as genuine meritocracy, which defies the laws of statistics and probability.

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How so?

SuperShinya56

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Dude.... what are you talking about?  I'm GLAD that in the United States, motorsports racing is under the radar!  I can't stand idiotic American fans polluting "my" sport, as they always seem to do with everything.  It's like my dirty little secret that no one knows, and I intend to keep it that way!

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Read much?  What did I just say?  I'm not sure how to water this down for you but I'll try.


 


I don't care if there are US riders in GP.  I don't care if MotoGP grows in the US.  I don't care if Spanish riders dominate the sport provided those riders also posses the most talent (which I believe they do).  

levigarrett

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Read much?  What did I just say?  I'm not sure how to water this down for you but I'll try.

 

I don't care if there are US riders in GP.  I don't care if MotoGP grows in the US.  I don't care if Spanish riders dominate the sport provided those riders also posses the most talent (which I believe they do).  

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They dominate the ranks but not necessarily the entire sport. Sure you have MM and JL ( I Ieft Pedrosa out because after 8 yrs we all know hes not good enough) but one would think that with all the Spainards infiltrating the sport ( that are supposedly better then other particapants) you would see others pushing Jorge besides MM. Instead you see a lot of mediocre to good talent that occasionally breaks into GP and does nothing.The GP paddock is full of Bautista's Barbara's and Espargos with many more to come

SuperManatee

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They dominate the ranks but not necessarily the entire sport. Sure you have MM and JL ( I Ieft Pedrosa out because after 8 yrs we all know hes not good enough) but one would think that with all the Spainards infiltrating the sport ( that are supposedly better then other particapants) you would see others pushing Jorge besides MM. Instead you see a lot of mediocre to good talent that occasionally breaks into GP and does nothing.The GP paddock is full of Bautista's Barbara's and Espargos with many more to come

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Given a competitive machinery, any of those 3 you mentioned could challenge Marc ".... Grin" Marquez and WhoreHey Lorentho.  It's just WhoreHey and Marquez have been groomed to be champs by being supplied with the best bikes throughout their careers.

SuperShinya56

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Given a competitive machinery, any of those 3 you mentioned could challenge Marc ".... Grin" Marquez and WhoreHey Lorentho.  It's just WhoreHey and Marquez have been groomed to be champs by being supplied with the best bikes throughout their careers.

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Comments like that is why noone takes you seriously. There has been much better riders than those three line up on factory   machinery  and not challenged for titles..

SuperManatee

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They dominate the ranks but not necessarily the entire sport. Sure you have MM and JL ( I Ieft Pedrosa out because after 8 yrs we all know hes not good enough) but one would think that with all the Spainards infiltrating the sport ( that are supposedly better then other particapants) you would see others pushing Jorge besides MM. Instead you see a lot of mediocre to good talent that occasionally breaks into GP and does nothing.The GP paddock is full of Bautista's Barbara's and Espargos with many more to come

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How many Spaniards other than MM (who "pushes" Jorge) and Pedrosa (while not having won a title, sure as .... "pushes" Jorge) are on factory bikes (win capable machines) ?


 


Oh, that's right, none. That's why none of them push Jorge. Put MM on a Parmac Duc and he wouldn't be pushing Jorge either...


 


I can see plausible arguments for the Spanish Armada Conspiracy. Yours here isn't one of them.

bluegreen

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How many Spaniards other than MM (who "pushes" Jorge) and Pedrosa (while not having won a title, sure as .... "pushes" Jorge) are on factory bikes (win capable machines) ?


 


Oh, that's right, none. That's why none of them push Jorge. Put MM on a Parmac Duc and he wouldn't be pushing Jorge either...


 


I can see plausible arguments for the Spanish Armada Conspiracy. Yours here isn't one of them.

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If they perform when they get there, it doesn't matter how they got there, and Jorge and MM have very definitely performed in the premier class, and performed in the other classes prior to that as well for that matter. Pedrosa is obviously fast and talented, but 8 years on a factory Honda, many of those years as the designated lead rider, without a championship is stretching things imo, although it is hard to nominate with any degree of certainty  a rider not currently  on a factory Honda or Yamaha who would be faster. 


 


Pol Espargaro being in the pipeline for Yamaha is where it starts to get murky, although if it has been reported correctly Dorna was opposed to this; there did however previously seem to me at least to be an unwritten rule that the 250 or moto2 champion, which he seemed lilkely to be, got at least a prototype ride in the premier class the following year 

bluegreen

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How many Spaniards other than MM (who "pushes" Jorge) and Pedrosa (while not having won a title, sure as .... "pushes" Jorge) are on factory bikes (win capable machines) ?

 

Oh, that's right, none. That's why none of them push Jorge. Put MM on a Parmac Duc and he wouldn't be pushing Jorge either...

 

I can see plausible arguments for the Spanish Armada Conspiracy. Yours here isn't one of them.

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Not sure of your point Bluegreen. Im dont know if I disagree with you. My point is if the Spainards are so special then why is the lot of them so mediocre. Theres more of them in the sport at the moment but most arent proving to be any faster then the other nationalities

What nationalities? I haven't seen any country produce riders, teams, or sponsorships of the caliber that have come out os Spain.

In the past, all you needed was to be fast. These days you need the whole package and no other country has been really putting in the effort.

baturro

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What nationalities? I haven't seen any country produce riders, teams, or sponsorships of the caliber that have come out os Spain.

In the past, all you needed was to be fast. These days you need the whole package and no other country has been really putting in the effort.

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MM and Lorenzo are great riders. Will still be only 4 premier class championships for Spain after this year though, and who knows whether your guys will display Rossi-like durability, or when another prodigy may arise.

michaelm

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If they perform when they get there, it doesn't matter how they got there, and Jorge and MM have very definitely performed in the premier class, and performed in the other classes prior to that as well for that matter. Pedrosa is obviously fast and talented, but 8 years on a factory Honda, many of those years as the designated lead rider, without a championship is stretching things imo, although it is hard to nominate with any degree of certainty  a rider not currently  on a factory Honda or Yamaha who would be faster. 


 


Pol Espargaro being in the pipeline for Yamaha is where it starts to get murky, although if it has been reported correctly Dorna was opposed to this; there did however previously seem to me at least to be an unwritten rule that the 250 or moto2 champion, which he seemed lilkely to be, got at least a prototype ride in the premier class the following year 

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I'd be inclined to agree with all of this

SuperManatee

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Not sure of your point Bluegreen. Im dont know if I disagree with you. My point is if the Spainards are so special then why is the lot of them so mediocre. Theres more of them in the sport at the moment but most arent proving to be any faster then the other nationalities

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My point is that after those factory rides, the bikes get mediocre, not the riders so much. You seemed to make the point that Spaniards on non factory rides should be pushing JL and I'm saying unless you're on one of those four bikes it dosen't matter how good you are or where you're from.

mylexicon

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The best routes into MotoGP are overstocked with Spaniards, and when foreigners try to showcase their talent in the Spanish country club, they generally run into a nationalistic buzzsaw. Some silly people have attempted to classify the arrangement as genuine meritocracy, which defies the laws of statistics and probability.

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stiefel

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How so?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

Keshav

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The Spanish can win everything in site for the next 5 years but they


will never produce a Hailwood, a Roberts or an Agostini.


There are race winners, and then there are LEGENDS.

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Angel Nieto says hi.