This sounds familiar...

Some may not regard this guy very highly, but I don't think he's making anything up.


 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/24272739


 


Britain doing pretty good for a small country...  I guess that means USA is doing horse .....

This is almost as good as bluegreen's Mika Kalio thread.

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This is almost as good as bluegreen's Mika Kalio thread.

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No thread is that good. Period.

Truth hurts doesn't it! :1:

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Truth hurts doesn't it! :1:

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All credit to the current Spanish success and enthusiasm for the sport. I am also sure the development programmes and starting riders so young are beneficial as this journalist and others have said.


 


I wouldn't count all your chickens just yet though. After this year Spain will still require 11 more premier class championships to match the USA, and 4 more to even match Australia.


 


Australians  won 6 out of the 12 championships from 1987 to 1998, and could easily have won more without Doohan's  horrendous crash in 1992. This did not end up presaging long term dominance of the sport by Australia though, and I think the success was down to the 2 riders involved rather than any innate national superiority.


 


I think the same may apply to the premier class currently. Jorge and it now seems MM are in my opinion freak talents who would thrive in any era. I am not sure the Spanish system will necessarily continue to throw up riders of equal talent to those two, although I guess if Jorge and MM had been born in countries without a bike riding or bike racing culture their talent would never have been identified.


 


As  I have said on another thread the moto3 and moto2 classes are currently an experiment for which the results are not yet available in terms of producing winning premier class riders, with the premier class a prototype class with bikes very far removed from moto2 and moto3 which are essentially spec series, and even MM being basically a product of 125 2-stroke bike racing. I see no particular reason why moto2 or moto3 success should be absolutely predictive of premier class success unless Dorna/ the FIM/whoever make it so, and why moto2 bikes for instance should be better than world supersport bikes for rider development .

I completely agree with you!  Which is why I don't understand all the bitchin' and complaining about Spanish dominance.  It's always been an ebb and flow in all aspects of sport.  Just seems like all the sporting stars have aligned for Spain recently.  World Cup and Euro champs in futbol, Nadal storming back to number one in tennis, National basketball team is in the top 3 in the world, handball and futsal champs.  It's a combination of working hard and luck.  There is no way a little country like Spain could rig Moto GP and the rest of the sports!! 

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I completely agree with you!  Which is why I don't understand all the bitchin' and complaining about Spanish dominance.  It's always been an ebb and flow in all aspects of sport.  Just seems like all the sporting stars have aligned for Spain recently.  World Cup and Euro champs in futbol, Nadal storming back to number one in tennis, National basketball team is in the top 3 in the world, handball and futsal champs.  It's a combination of working hard and luck.  There is no way a little country like Spain could rig Moto GP and the rest of the sports!! 

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You left the Spanish ParaOlympic basketball team out of that list.

Lazy unemployed donkey herders have nothing better to do

baturro

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I completely agree with you!  Which is why I don't understand all the bitchin' and complaining about Spanish dominance.  It's always been an ebb and flow in all aspects of sport.  Just seems like all the sporting stars have aligned for Spain recently.  World Cup and Euro champs in futbol, Nadal storming back to number one in tennis, National basketball team is in the top 3 in the world, handball and futsal champs.  It's a combination of working hard and luck.  There is no way a little country like Spain could rig Moto GP and the rest of the sports!! 

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Sure. Nadal is the best tennis player of all time in my view (Rod Laver was also fairly handy in my long vanished youth), with an unequalled mix of skill, athleticism and determination/toughness. He may well inspire other Spaniards to excel at tennis, but I consider it unlikely that there are scores of Spaniards of equal talent playing on suburban tennis courts waiting to be discovered.

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Truth hurts doesn't it! :1:

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Amigo, U have a low standard for "truth". Other than Parrish towing the League's messaging, his stellar reasoning is to point to a bunch of kids riding around in scooters. He should take a trip to the East.


Besides, anything Steve Parish says is 'automatically disqualified' on the grounds that Arrabi rates him utter ..... End of.

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Besides, anything Steve Parish says is 'automatically disqualified' on the grounds that Arrabi rates him utter ..... End of.

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The only thing the man's ever been wrong about. Parrish isn't so bad, it's Cox who's unbearable.

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I completely agree with you!  Which is why I don't understand all the bitchin' and complaining about Spanish dominance.  It's always been an ebb and flow in all aspects of sport.  Just seems like all the sporting stars have aligned for Spain recently.  World Cup and Euro champs in futbol, Nadal storming back to number one in tennis, National basketball team is in the top 3 in the world, handball and futsal champs.  It's a combination of working hard and luck.  There is no way a little country like Spain could rig Moto GP and the rest of the sports!! 

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Not yet.

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Not yet.

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hence, "storming back."  Since he's been back to almost 100% he's been pretty close to unstoppable.  Pretty good show at the US Open.

Jum, part of that stellar reasoning on Parrishes part has to do with how in Spain there are "little league" racing classes.  Not talking about Moto3, but closer to minimoto on tight tracks.  Much of this kiddie racing disappeared from Italy.  It may have been an interview I saw on TVE with Simoncelli or Dovi, but shortly after they came through the ranks FIM or some form of Italian gov did away with kiddie racing.  Probably deeming it to dangerous.  


 


And in my travels and living in Asia, I have seen tons of scooters, but only proper tracks and kids racing in Japan.  

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Sure. Nadal is the best tennis player of all time in my view (Rod Laver was also fairly handy in my long vanished youth), with an unequalled mix of skill, athleticism and determination/toughness. He may well inspire other Spaniards to excel at tennis, but I consider it unlikely that there are scores of Spaniards of equal talent playing on suburban tennis courts waiting to be discovered.

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I don't know about that.  Nadal seems mentally weak and fragile to me.

The Spanish can win everything in site for the next 5 years but they


will never produce a Hailwood, a Roberts or an Agostini.


There are race winners, and then there are LEGENDS.

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Jum, part of that stellar reasoning on Parrishes part has to do with how in Spain there are "little league" racing classes.  Not talking about Moto3, but closer to minimoto on tight tracks.  Much of this kiddie racing disappeared from Italy.  It may have been an interview I saw on TVE with Simoncelli or Dovi, but shortly after they came through the ranks FIM or some form of Italian gov did away with kiddie racing.  Probably deeming it to dangerous.  


 


And in my travels and living in Asia, I have seen tons of scooters, but only proper tracks and kids racing in Japan.  

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I know the family that organises FAB-Racing here in the uk.


It is for kids from as young as 4 or 5 upto 14/15 and is IMO a valuable asset to bringing youth into the sport,


It must be, Danny Webb, Danny Kent Bradley Ray and Scott Redding all cut their teeth in this series before heading out to spain and the spanish series.


The last time we spoke Rogers biggest concern was the amount of health and safety red tape that had to be trawled through to get up and running each year.


Once only 4 or 5 years ago it was the parents who did the marshaling with no problems what so ever but now they have to have certified marshals at the posts,


All this is adding to the expense and he is beginning to wonder if he can keep it going much longer without having to pass extra costs onto the riders etc.


 


It sucks because I can see our country going down the same path as Italy because of ........ do-gooders and compensation culture vultures!

I think some posters here get a little too intense with the anti-Spanish thing.  This is the current state of GP racing. If you read Krop's blog, Dorna is aware of having a championship that is too ethnocentric is not good business. Is the current composition riders going to change anytime soon? No, it will take time for the environment to get more representative of a true 'World' championship. I would be more concerned if the actual talent being promoted through the ranks was substandard rather than harping on someone's ethnicity (which the riders themselves can't control).

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I think some posters here get a little too intense with the anti-Spanish thing.  This is the current state of GP racing. If you read Krop's blog, Dorna is aware of having a championship that is too ethnocentric is not good business. Is the current composition riders going to change anytime soon? No, it will take time for the environment to get more representative of a true 'World' championship. I would be more concerned if the actual talent being promoted through the ranks was substandard rather than harping on someone's ethnicity (which the riders themselves can't control).

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I for one am not anti Spanish!


However I am anti Spanish favoritism!


And you cannot tell me MM has had no favoritism,


I also agree that some get too intense, myself included sometimes.


But at this moment in time the Spanish have the winning formula, encouraging their youth to expand their knowledge and race craft on bikes rather that the red tape, ........, expensive bureaucracy that is exploiting talent here by pricing it too high with additional costs for H&S for example.

I never looked at allowing Marquez to join Repsol as favoritism. It was a stupid rule that never affected a rider, so who were they showing favoritism against. It was a wrong that needed righting. Its like the absurd rule in the NFL that you cant play in the NFL until after your high school classes junoir year in college. If a kid can play at 18- 19 years old   he should be allowed to pursue his profession, period.  If he fails and loses his amatuer standing, thats his problem.