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Got it and it makes some sense to me when viewed in this way.
Many lenses to see things through....I will keep thinking about it.
Really though, I would think that a Marquez crew member who would keep him from being DQ'd would somehow be seen as useful! Maybe he wasn't quick enough with the assessment....and then got fired because Marquez got DQ'd
 
Bern1 said:
Got it and it makes some sense to me when viewed in this way.
Many lenses to see things through....I will keep thinking about it.
Really though, I would think that a Marquez crew member who would keep him from being DQ'd would somehow be seen as useful! Maybe he wasn't quick enough with the assessment....and then got fired because Marquez got DQ'd
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Marquez and Alzamora are said to have 'interpreted' the rule regarding a compulsory tyre change differently to ever other team (and some of his own team) within pit lane

Was Phillip Island 2013 and they had a compulsory tyre change plus a lessening of total laps due to a batch of Bridgestones that simply could not handle the surface and were disintegrating


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This is the MotoGP Rewind video for PI 2013 and at around the 2 minute mark is where Marquez stayed out and overstepped the window - you can see the team reaction

 
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Cool Blue said:
Do they have a history of making judgements about matters outside of the ambit of the regulations? Is that their job? The point being that, if they step outside of their ambit, then they should have irrefutable evidence to support their accusations.
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Yes. Every Moto3 qualifying practice ever.
 
Gaz said:
Near everyone in the pits is surrounded by yes men as they will carefully hand pick their close team members (I say this with regard to the paid riders, not the paying riders)

It is commonly reported that you do not speak up against either Marquez as Alzamora will see you removed, just as whilst Puig was around one did not say No to his wishes and so forth.

Let us not forget that at PI in 2013 when MM started lap 11 (or whichever it was that meant a DQ) some team members knew immediately that he was to be disqualified and showed their displeasure. Then, at year end 2013 there was a cleanout of the team and some of those members were 'reassigned' to other roles.
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Whilst I largely agree with this, and have seen evidence of it first hand (especially of Marquez), it is not quite everyone. It is true that it happens in all sports, but it is particularly prevalent with people who win. Don't upset the magic. I have seen Jorge Lorenzo spoonfed pure ........ by Yamaha, because they know they need to manage him towards the truth. That is when it is fun to be a journalist, because you can occasionally try to prick their bubble.

Further down the field, the circle of yes men is very limited. Bradley Smith, Danilo Petrucci, Loris Baz, they get told the truth a lot.
 
Kropotkin said:
Yes. Every Moto3 qualifying practice ever.
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Hmm, I think I broke my collar bone falling off my high horse.

Yes, I take your point, I guess the boundaries of the regulations need to be defended from the inside as well as the outside and that's what Webb was doing.
 
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Juan Derribar said:
If that is true I find it absurd.
Im a fan that watches racing without an overly critical or overly analytical approach. Im probabaly in the majority. If I see two guys exchanging great clean passes I call it racing. Regardless of their motive or ability, as long as its clean, its racing, well within the rulebook If the organization that runs the sport is finding fault and passing judgement over riders for doing what their paid to do then this series is unquestionably disconnected from its fanbase and overall purpose
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Agreed but that's probably the thing though. people look into it enough to be overly critical or analytical (vontarily for fans, but mandatory for officials) will conclude the story behind that battle was Marquez teaching Rossi a lesson, regardless of the rulebook.
 
Kropotkin said:
Yes. Every Moto3 qualifying practice ever.
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How wrong can you be?
Every single situation is the the same.
All incidents are able to be easily and irrefutably evaluated.
With incontrovertible evidence.
It's easy.
 
...and the indulged son of the Aristocracy who could preach what he could never live.

<that was for "Kropotkin", Juan got in the way>
 
Kropotkin said:
But he was much, much more than just that. A geographer, biologist, and social theorist.
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...He would have loved Powerslide then.

Ah, but did he have a degree in dentistry and a reputation as an acclaimed Spanish architect?
 
Juan Derribar said:
Regardless of their motive or ability, as long as its clean, its racing, well within the rulebook If the organization that runs the sport is finding fault and passing judgement over riders for doing what their paid to do then this series is unquestionably disconnected from its fanbase and overall purpose
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Iannone then, by this standard, absolutely deserves admonishing!
 
Kropotkin said:
He was pointing out to Marquez that he shouldn't be a .....
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Iannone then, by this standard, absolutely deserves admonishing! That is if "riding" this way is the crime.

Kropos, I read you say previously Marquez rode like a "...." at Sepang, do you still believe this to be the case? And if so, is this purely based on your belief regarding his 'intent'? Btw, If so I respectful disagree. But just wondering if you've changed your mind any since then.
 
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Ironically, Lorenzo rode 'like a ....' in the early laps of the 2013 Valencia race, bunching the Honda's up in the hope other riders (Including Rossi I might add) could interfere with them.

I recall nobody calling Lorenzo out on his 'intent' nor any statements to tell Lorenzo to stop being said .......
 
Kropotkin said:
I would disagree. He was pointing out to Marquez that he shouldn't be a .....
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Yes, but if he felt this way, couldn't he have just kept it behind closed doors?

It's not like he had no opportunity to say this to MM since they were in the room just moments before. Instead he comes out in front of the cameras and makes the announcement. It was completely unwarranted because all it did was add fuel to the fire.
 
Jumkie said:
Iannone then, by this standard, absolutely deserves admonishing! That is if "riding" this way is the crime.

Kropos, I read you say previously Marquez rode like a "...." at Sepang, do you still believe this to be the case? And if so, is this purely based on your belief regarding his 'intent'? Btw, If so I respectful disagree. But just wondering if you've changed your mind any since then.
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My mind remains unchanged. Marquez was riding like a ..... Not necessarily trying to slow Rossi up, but just make his life hell and teach him a lesson about the cost of ....... with him in public. He did nothing illegal, and was entirely within his right to do so, but he was very firmly pushing the envelope. Rossi was an ..... for losing his .... and causing Marquez to crash.

However, as someone who has worked with them both said to me, it was inevitable that something like this would happen, as they are the two biggest egos in the paddock.

Mike Webb was right to call them both in, and warn Marquez as well. The mistake he made was not calling them both in on Thursday night, asking what the .... Rossi thought he was playing at, and telling Marquez he had better behave like a grown up.

I do not expect my opinion to change yours. I offer my vision of events, which are indeed very much my own interpretation of the motives of others. But we interpret the motives of others all the time. For all you know, Rossi has been driven to keep racing from a need to impress the pet hamster he had when he was a small child, but never told anyone about. We will never know the truth.
 

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