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stoner 1st at motegi rossi 2nd. then rossi will blitz everyone at pi and take the championship.
i wonder how what the difference in attendance at pi will be from 07 to 08 if rossi wraps the title up at motegi.
i wonder how what the difference in attendance at pi will be from 07 to 08 if rossi wraps the title up at motegi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 18 2008, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stoner 1st at motegi rossi 2nd. then rossi will blitz everyone at pi and take the championship.
i wonder how what the difference in attendance at pi will be from 07 to 08 if rossi wraps the title up at motegi.
Roger, by all means correct me here but if Stoner wins Motegi and Rossi gets second, that is it, game over red rover.
As at today, VR is 87 points in front with a maximum of 100 points on offer. Should CS win and VR get second the gap drops back to 82 points with 75 available.
So, if you really want it to go to PI you need VR to finish worse than 5ths if CS wins.
Garry
i wonder how what the difference in attendance at pi will be from 07 to 08 if rossi wraps the title up at motegi.
Roger, by all means correct me here but if Stoner wins Motegi and Rossi gets second, that is it, game over red rover.
As at today, VR is 87 points in front with a maximum of 100 points on offer. Should CS win and VR get second the gap drops back to 82 points with 75 available.
So, if you really want it to go to PI you need VR to finish worse than 5ths if CS wins.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 18 2008, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Roger, by all means correct me here but if Stoner wins Motegi and Rossi gets second, that is it, game over red rover.
As at today, VR is 87 points in front with a maximum of 100 points on offer. Should CS win and VR get second the gap drops back to 82 points with 75 available.
So, if you really want it to go to PI you need VR to finish worse than 5ths if CS wins.
Garry
think your right gaz, i think if stoner wins motegi rossi needs to come less than 4th to clinch it at pi. i dont think rossi particully likes motegi tho, could be wrong tho.
As at today, VR is 87 points in front with a maximum of 100 points on offer. Should CS win and VR get second the gap drops back to 82 points with 75 available.
So, if you really want it to go to PI you need VR to finish worse than 5ths if CS wins.
Garry
think your right gaz, i think if stoner wins motegi rossi needs to come less than 4th to clinch it at pi. i dont think rossi particully likes motegi tho, could be wrong tho.
stoner is at 200
rossi at 287
if stoner wins the last 4, rossi only needs 14 pts by season end to clinch.
if stoner wins motegi, rossi will have to finish 3rd and earn the 16pts to clinch.
(as 4th only gives him 13 and not enough to clinch outright at motegi, strangely that would put it a 300/300 tie possible but totally unlikely)
if stoner gets 2nd at motegi, rossi only needs 9 pts or 7th place to clinch.
obviously, the worse stoner does at motegi, the less rossi has to do. realistically stoner lost the championship when he crashed at misano.
rossi at 287
if stoner wins the last 4, rossi only needs 14 pts by season end to clinch.
if stoner wins motegi, rossi will have to finish 3rd and earn the 16pts to clinch.
(as 4th only gives him 13 and not enough to clinch outright at motegi, strangely that would put it a 300/300 tie possible but totally unlikely)
if stoner gets 2nd at motegi, rossi only needs 9 pts or 7th place to clinch.
obviously, the worse stoner does at motegi, the less rossi has to do. realistically stoner lost the championship when he crashed at misano.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PAsystm @ Sep 18 2008, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>realistically stoner lost the championship when he crashed at misano.
No...Stoner lost the Championship when he started to cry like a little .....
No...Stoner lost the Championship when he started to cry like a little .....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 18 2008, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No...Stoner lost the Championship when he started to cry like a little .....
So that started before the season then, and became worse after Laguna.
So that started before the season then, and became worse after Laguna.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Sep 18 2008, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So that started before the season then, and became worse after Laguna.
It started after he stomped everyone worse than he did in 2007, then all of his favorite goodies suddenly went missing. The most important of which were his tires.
Even after Jerez, Bridgestone thought Casey's 2007 spec tires were best used on the Kawasaki. So Bridgestone kept him on the 2008s for Estoril as well. Hopper had the 2007's and he beat Stoner handily.
FIGURE THAT ONE OUT!
But the best of the best was at China. Stoner was worse on the 2008s in every single session, but Bridgestone were convinced they would miraculously work on race day. Stoner was 10 seconds slower than he was in 2007. Oh yeah, Bridgestone made sure Kawasaki got the 2007 tires for that race too.
After Stoner blew up at LeMans, Bridgestone found his tires. Stoner was more or less statistically eliminated at that point. At least, if you look at historical trends when Rossi has a 50 point lead.
Ezy loves lamb chops.
It started after he stomped everyone worse than he did in 2007, then all of his favorite goodies suddenly went missing. The most important of which were his tires.
Even after Jerez, Bridgestone thought Casey's 2007 spec tires were best used on the Kawasaki. So Bridgestone kept him on the 2008s for Estoril as well. Hopper had the 2007's and he beat Stoner handily.
FIGURE THAT ONE OUT!
But the best of the best was at China. Stoner was worse on the 2008s in every single session, but Bridgestone were convinced they would miraculously work on race day. Stoner was 10 seconds slower than he was in 2007. Oh yeah, Bridgestone made sure Kawasaki got the 2007 tires for that race too.
After Stoner blew up at LeMans, Bridgestone found his tires. Stoner was more or less statistically eliminated at that point. At least, if you look at historical trends when Rossi has a 50 point lead.
I don't understand..you're saying he (Stoner) was 10 seconds slower over the total race distance in 2008 compared to 2007 and you blame it on the tires.
Yet his fast lap was one second faster in QP (1'59.516 in 2008 and 1'58.591 in 2008)? That doesn't make sense to me..a lot can happen over the course of 25+ laps and to blame it soley on the tires seems like a bit of a strech for me..
Seems like his pace was the same if not better but something didn't work out for him over the race distance..
Actually if you check out the race analysis for the respective races Casey's lap times were about the same in both years..
Yet his fast lap was one second faster in QP (1'59.516 in 2008 and 1'58.591 in 2008)? That doesn't make sense to me..a lot can happen over the course of 25+ laps and to blame it soley on the tires seems like a bit of a strech for me..
Seems like his pace was the same if not better but something didn't work out for him over the race distance..
Actually if you check out the race analysis for the respective races Casey's lap times were about the same in both years..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ninja10 @ Sep 18 2008, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its really a for gone concluction that Rossi will be world champion IMO so when do you think he will take it?
He already has.... at the corkscrew in Laguna Seca.
He already has.... at the corkscrew in Laguna Seca.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (news1213 @ Sep 18 2008, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't understand..you're saying he (Stoner) was 10 seconds slower over the total race distance in 2008 compared to 2007 and you blame it on the tires.
Yet his fast lap was one second faster in QP (1'59.516 in 2008 and 1'58.591 in 2008)? That doesn't make sense to me..a lot can happen over the course of 25+ laps and to blame it soley on the tires seems like a bit of a strech for me..
Seems like his pace was the same if not better but something didn't work out for him over the race distance..
Actually if you check out the race analysis for the respective races Casey's lap times were about the same in both years..
I'm sorry, Stoner had 10 extra clicks in a straight line for 2008, I find it hard to believe he was unable to make serious improvements at China on raceday. Furthermore, I blame the tires because Casey said he didn't have a good feeling throughout the weekend, and he was quite upset the team decided to run the softer compounds for the race. He said it himself. For the record I'm also confused that his team overruled his tire decision. That seemed to happen a lot during the early part of the season; especially for a guy that mopped the floor with the competition in 2007.
One thing though, you are right about his times. I have maintained that he was slower in every practice session, but I must have misread the data. Like you say, his times were more or less the same when you adjust for the conditions. He was faster in QP, then remarkably slower in the race.
Yet his fast lap was one second faster in QP (1'59.516 in 2008 and 1'58.591 in 2008)? That doesn't make sense to me..a lot can happen over the course of 25+ laps and to blame it soley on the tires seems like a bit of a strech for me..
Seems like his pace was the same if not better but something didn't work out for him over the race distance..
Actually if you check out the race analysis for the respective races Casey's lap times were about the same in both years..
I'm sorry, Stoner had 10 extra clicks in a straight line for 2008, I find it hard to believe he was unable to make serious improvements at China on raceday. Furthermore, I blame the tires because Casey said he didn't have a good feeling throughout the weekend, and he was quite upset the team decided to run the softer compounds for the race. He said it himself. For the record I'm also confused that his team overruled his tire decision. That seemed to happen a lot during the early part of the season; especially for a guy that mopped the floor with the competition in 2007.
One thing though, you are right about his times. I have maintained that he was slower in every practice session, but I must have misread the data. Like you say, his times were more or less the same when you adjust for the conditions. He was faster in QP, then remarkably slower in the race.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 18 2008, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, Stoner had 10 extra clicks in a straight line for 2008, I find it hard to believe he was unable to make serious improvements at China on raceday. Furthermore, I blame the tires because Casey said he didn't have a good feeling throughout the weekend, and he was quite upset the team decided to run the softer compounds for the race. He said it himself. For the record I'm also confused that his team overruled his tire decision. That seemed to happen a lot during the early part of the season; especially for a guy that mopped the floor with the competition in 2007.
One thing though, you are right about his times. I have maintained that he was slower in every practice session, but I must have misread the data. Like you say, his times were more or less the same when you adjust for the conditions. He was faster in QP, then remarkably slower in the race.
did you forget that this years bike is quite different from last years ,like carbon frame which means different suspension ect.
One thing though, you are right about his times. I have maintained that he was slower in every practice session, but I must have misread the data. Like you say, his times were more or less the same when you adjust for the conditions. He was faster in QP, then remarkably slower in the race.
did you forget that this years bike is quite different from last years ,like carbon frame which means different suspension ect.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 18 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>did you forget that this years bike is quite different from last years ,like carbon frame which means different suspension ect.
They arent using the carbon frame yet, thats the GP09
They arent using the carbon frame yet, thats the GP09
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 18 2008, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They arent using the carbon frame yet, thats the GP09
I thought they introduced it at Donington - the current bike basically being the GP9
I thought they introduced it at Donington - the current bike basically being the GP9
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 18 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>did you forget that this years bike is quite different from last years ,like carbon frame which means different suspension ect.
the GP09 has the carbon frame, not the GP08 which is what he was on @ the beginning of the season. not so sure now, but the CF framed desmo was only seen in action about halfway through the 08 season. or did they have him on it without anybody leaking anything to the press for the first half?
the GP09 has the carbon frame, not the GP08 which is what he was on @ the beginning of the season. not so sure now, but the CF framed desmo was only seen in action about halfway through the 08 season. or did they have him on it without anybody leaking anything to the press for the first half?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 18 2008, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought they introduced it at Donington - the current bike basically being the GP9
yup, im sure ive seen several snap shots where it looked like the headstock was carbon.
if the 08 bike is the same as the 07 then ducati showed there hand to soon last year which meant they had northing new to bring to the show this year. i may be wrong but i thought they used the carbon frame at laguna too.
yup, im sure ive seen several snap shots where it looked like the headstock was carbon.
if the 08 bike is the same as the 07 then ducati showed there hand to soon last year which meant they had northing new to bring to the show this year. i may be wrong but i thought they used the carbon frame at laguna too.
