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The Spinnaker Effect - Rossi vs. Stoner [gpone.com]

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While the reference to photos is questionable (different position in the corner, hot lap or not, tires, etc.), the article itslf is quite a good read. Gianni Rolando compares both riders' cornering styles, the bottom line being that Stoner is using a more extreme hanging off technique in order to create more weight on the front through wind resistance. Rolando is dubbing it the spinnaker effect and draws parallels to sailing. What's your take on that?



http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201204116596/Rossi-Stoner-two-sailors-in-MotoGP.html
 
Its all to do with grip balance, a part of Stoners style. Its to do with being able to adjust the lean angle of the bike to moderate grip rapidly and when needed. Being able to flex or extend the arms is much faster than adjusting the hole body to affect the lean of the bike.

Heading into a corner, lean forward and in, then pull the bike inwards towards you and the rear grip gets looser. If its too loose you can rapidly pick the bike to bring the back in or pull the bike more into the lean to get it more put again.

How far forward or back adjusts front rear grip balance also, ie. if you want to drift out, eg. to pass somebody in a corner, body goes back a bit and the front tend to loosen up a bit and drifts out with out as much speed loss. But mainly with Stoner he likes the front planted so we see him way up forward ....... I'm a wuss like that too
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Its all about having a counterweight that you can move around rapidly to affect grip. Its also safer to let go if the bike high sides cos it usually just gets ripped out of you arms or you can moderate the release of the bike better and not get catapulted so bad.



There probably is a minor effect from wind drag however this is not the reason as the effect varies way to greatly depending on wind direction ie. say you have a headwind of 50km/h then the variance can be 100km/h depending on what corner you are at !!! crazy!. Don't know why this guy didn't realise that.
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There really is a great benefit to grow up riding dirt.
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Here's a bit of a start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6d7j-sWFn4&feature=endscreen
 
Then, enlighten us, please.

I dont get it, the 'spinnaker effect' as explained. Sticking your head up out of the fairing at >200kph means nearly getting blown off the bike backwards and hanging onto the bars for dear life, the opposite of putting weight on the front. The 'sail' he descibes is facing the wrong way.



Centrifugal force is what causes understeer. Spin a weight by a string you can feel this force. Let the string go, the weight flys straight. So to counter the force you use an inside pivot point. Leaning to the inside of the corner to counter the centrifugal force is a more well known explanation.
 
^ HA! Stoner agrees with me! suck it Barry
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I have no argument with you on the confidence bit ........... but its what you likely see as talent I was questioning. So you ain't off the hook yet curve ..........

Care to elaborate on that? I was being Luthi on that one and left the door open for you to discuss .....
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Good article .......... strangely no mention of topsails, foremasts, jibs, rigging, Spinnakers or even a cleat!!
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Oh and look!! ( Where's Arab ) "you have to get on the gas quick to break the rear" .......... sounds awfully familiar! No mention of skiddies either
 
Stoner was young when he first rode that Duke in 2007 and suited well with the Bike and Bridgestone tire. He rode well and most of the times beyond the limit..VR has been riding Jap bikes all his life and he will be doing Melandri on the Duke...At the age of 33, it would be a "Suzuki to beat a Factory HRC" thing for him..He should have listened to Melandri and find a Satellite Yamaha and let the new younger rider to joint Factory Ducati..
 
Glad this topic has been put up. Stoner may well be boring in front of a microphone, but the way he hangs off the bike is simply awesome to watch and may well change the way the best ride. I admire most of the riders on the grid, but compared to Stoner, the others just look (i said look) slow, while Casey chokes it to death.



It appears that Rossi is tryin' everything he can to adapt and move forward, but sadly i think his time has passed. But judging by that top photo, he can still pull off a mean slide! Hope his season will be better than last year...



Mick
 

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