We see Rossi in qualifying alot working on certain parts of the track getting faster and faster, but what Rossi never does is put in hard lap after hard lap so he cannot see how much tire wear will happen during the race. Part of the reason you never see someone like Hayden complaining alot about the tires is he puts in alot of hard laps so he can choose the tires that will go the distance for the race. This might have been Rossi failure last year too as we have seen alot of chunking at certain tracks. If you don't stess a tire to its limit it is impossible to have a perfect race setup.
The reason why Rossi has tire problems
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Jul 7 2007, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We see Rossi in qualifying alot working on certain parts of the track getting faster and faster, but what Rossi never does is put in hard lap after hard lap so he cannot see how much tire wear will happen during the race. Part of the reason you never see someone like Hayden complaining alot about the tires is he puts in alot of hard laps so he can choose the tires that will go the distance for the race. This might have been Rossi failure last year too as we have seen alot of chunking at certain tracks. If you don't stess a tire to its limit it is impossible to have a perfect race setup.
im sure rossi is well aware of this
i dont think tyres played that big a part in last seasons debacle
before this year rossi could get tyres made and delivered over night(mostly on the european circuit's) and have them for the start of the race, with the new tyre rule i think they are struggling with this and are taking a little longer than expected
bridgestone ran their wet weather tyres on dry tracks last year mabey in the off season and as you said they stressed the tire to its limit put all that data together and have come up with great wet weather tyres,
lookin at the last race weekend i think its easy enough to conclude that bridgestone have better wet weather tyres and michilen have better dry weather tyres, qualifying all bridgestone up front : race mainly michilen up front,
i dont know did casey back off on the last couple of laps coz he knew his fuel was runnin dry or what but if rossi beat him head on i just hope it dose'nt rain for the rest of the season
im sure rossi is well aware of this
i dont think tyres played that big a part in last seasons debacle
before this year rossi could get tyres made and delivered over night(mostly on the european circuit's) and have them for the start of the race, with the new tyre rule i think they are struggling with this and are taking a little longer than expected
bridgestone ran their wet weather tyres on dry tracks last year mabey in the off season and as you said they stressed the tire to its limit put all that data together and have come up with great wet weather tyres,
lookin at the last race weekend i think its easy enough to conclude that bridgestone have better wet weather tyres and michilen have better dry weather tyres, qualifying all bridgestone up front : race mainly michilen up front,
i dont know did casey back off on the last couple of laps coz he knew his fuel was runnin dry or what but if rossi beat him head on i just hope it dose'nt rain for the rest of the season
I'm not convinced Rossi could be this stupid with JB in his team, i don't think he has more tyre problems then they others, he just mentions it more when he picks a bad tyre. Obviously there were actual problems in Turkey 07 and China 06 but i think they are just blips from Michelins end of the work.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Jul 7 2007, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We see Rossi in qualifying alot working on certain parts of the track getting faster and faster, but what Rossi never does is put in hard lap after hard lap so he cannot see how much tire wear will happen during the race. Part of the reason you never see someone like Hayden complaining alot about the tires is he puts in alot of hard laps so he can choose the tires that will go the distance for the race. This might have been Rossi failure last year too as we have seen alot of chunking at certain tracks. If you don't stess a tire to its limit it is impossible to have a perfect race setup.
ive never heard some much crap in all my life !!
rossi does full race simulations just like all the other riders do during free practice sessions, just because you dont see it on tv does not mean he does not do it. im sure the likes of rossi and burgess no what there doing, they have been in the game a long time, a lot longer than you i suspect.
ive never heard some much crap in all my life !!
rossi does full race simulations just like all the other riders do during free practice sessions, just because you dont see it on tv does not mean he does not do it. im sure the likes of rossi and burgess no what there doing, they have been in the game a long time, a lot longer than you i suspect.
I think most of the times he's complained about his tyres its generally been when the tracks conditions change dramatically, ie, when the track is wet then a dry line appears, the Michelins dont seem to beable to handle anywhere near as good as Bridgestones when this happens, they just seem to fall apart. Though lastyear in Phillip Island Melandri seemed to do ok....Michelin do seem to be improving as the season goes on though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Jul 7 2007, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We see Rossi in qualifying alot working on certain parts of the track getting faster and faster, but what Rossi never does is put in hard lap after hard lap so he cannot see how much tire wear will happen during the race. Part of the reason you never see someone like Hayden complaining alot about the tires is he puts in alot of hard laps so he can choose the tires that will go the distance for the race. This might have been Rossi failure last year too as we have seen alot of chunking at certain tracks. If you don't stess a tire to its limit it is impossible to have a perfect race setup.
I won't suggest he was the one inventing race simulations, but a few years back very few did this, but where more occupied about the result list, trying to get one fast lap down, staying high on the list. Meanwhile Rossi far down the lists did his race simulations, and found the right tire, and the right setup. A few minutes before the q-session end he set an ok lap time on q-tires, enough to bring him up to first row. This is the way he has been working ever since his 125 days, and I have seen absolutly no change in that method.
I won't suggest he was the one inventing race simulations, but a few years back very few did this, but where more occupied about the result list, trying to get one fast lap down, staying high on the list. Meanwhile Rossi far down the lists did his race simulations, and found the right tire, and the right setup. A few minutes before the q-session end he set an ok lap time on q-tires, enough to bring him up to first row. This is the way he has been working ever since his 125 days, and I have seen absolutly no change in that method.
I can see what you're saying. Sometimes it seems that Rossi doesn't always stay out and put in a lot of hard laps. However he puts a lot more in than it seems and there is no doubt that Jerry and Vale know what they are doing. Both are extremely experienced and have been doing what they do for many years.
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There is a great article on another thread about Casey Stoner. He mentions how in the past Michelin had an unfair advantage in that they could fly in overnight tires. Perhaps making the rules fair has exposed the inferiority of the Michelin to the Bstones.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 9 2007, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is a great article on another thread about Casey Stoner. He mentions how in the past Michelin had an unfair advantage in that they could fly in overnight tires. Perhaps making the rules fair has exposed the inferiority of the Michelin to the Bstones.
I don't think its the tyres being inferior as much as it is the riders and teams struggling to work around them when the used to have them tailor made for their chosen setup.
I don't think its the tyres being inferior as much as it is the riders and teams struggling to work around them when the used to have them tailor made for their chosen setup.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 9 2007, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is a great article on another thread about Casey Stoner. He mentions how in the past Michelin had an unfair advantage in that they could fly in overnight tires. Perhaps making the rules fair has exposed the inferiority of the Michelin to the Bstones.
damn jumkie, did you work that out all on your own.
tell us something we dont no !!
damn jumkie, did you work that out all on your own.
tell us something we dont no !!
