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The Other riders

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We spend lots of time debating the top three riders, or the top four if you count Pedrosa by default. This title is done and dusted, and the rest of the season is a mere formality.

Two Brits, Smith and Redding, stood on the podium( if fully dry would not have otherwise been there) but lets shelve that for the moment. (Btw, I'm sure the feed mentioned this somewhere, but when was the last time two Brits stood on the podium?) Anyway, here is the topic for discussion:

What other riders do you consider to be underrated or overlooked and could make a serious splash if given a competitive machine?

A few members mentioned Loris Baz, based on his open class podium at Misano (4th place). I actually think this would be a good example of a guy with talent that has been overlooked because of the bias that he is too tall. Perhaps intuitively that makes sense, but I think Simonchelli and Rossi have gone a long way in debunking this theory. And I would venture to say, the small guy is right for the job theory has been debunked by Pedrosa.

I think Wsbk guys don't get a fair shake in GP, though Cal Crutchlow may have damaged this assertion. I think Bradl has been a disappointment, despite a Moto2 title, so the theory that a GP rider must come from GP doesn't quite hold water. Again, Pedrosa has debunked that myth also me thinks. And the idea that a rider from a national championship not being able to win a title was debunked by Hayden, who came third in the championship in 2005 after being promoted in 2003, then secured a world title in 06. So are we missing some gems out there that are being overlooked?

Another rider that comes to mind is Josh Hayes, AMA champ. Deemed too old. Yet conducted himself well during his GP & Wsbk wildcards. Van der Mark is another kid who I would say deserves a look. The Wsbk Honda is crap and we are not seeing his true potential.
 
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I think Smith is overlooked. I think he has great starts & he's fairly smooth on the bike. I think his personality & heart is also a lot to admire.

I also really like Iannone, I don't know if he's ....... up or if Ducati has ...... with the bike too much. He has a lot of drive & is exactly his name, a maniac. I think he really showed himself this season, especially with that little battle with Marquez.

And honestly, I hope things work out for Redding with his move. He seems anxious & I'd really like to see what he has to throw on the table.
 
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Petrucci gets my vote at the moment.

His performance at Silverstone was nothing short of stunning. Obviously the weather had a lot to do with it, but it's got the habit of sometimes being the great equalizer if you will. He's currently 8th in the championship on last year's Ducati. He managed to finish ahead of both factory Ducati's in two consecutive races, which is huge regardless of conditions since this was the "new and improved" Desmo this year.

He's ahead of the always highly regarded (if you are on smack) Cal Crutchlow who ...... off from Ducati precisely because he didn't think it was any good...and could seriously find himself finishing behind last year's Ducati run by a satellite team no less in 2015.

If that happens, Crutchlow should be banned from MotoGP.

Petrucci on the midget's RCV would be mighty fun.
 
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Smith in my opinion is the most underrated rider in the field. I'd like to say Petrux but I'm not sure. I also think A Esp could go quite well on factory gear.

Smith
A Esp
Petrux

In that order. Nice topic Jum.

The least underrated rider in the field is Karel. He's really just not very good. Seems like a really nice kid but no matter the equipment, he ends up in the gravel.
 
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Btw, I'm sure the feed mentioned this somewhere, but when was the last time two Brits stood on the podium?.

Julian Ryder and Keith Huewen posed this very question - I couldn't name the race, (Venezuela apparently - they did reveal that), but it was Barry Sheene and Tom Herron in 1979.
 
Petrucci gets my vote at the moment.

His performance at Silverstone was nothing short of stunning. Obviously the weather had a lot to do with it, but it's got the habit of sometimes being the great equalizer if you will. He's currently 8th in the championship on last year's Ducati. He managed to finish ahead of both factory Ducati's in two consecutive races, which is huge regardless of conditions since this was the "new and improved" Desmo this year.

He's ahead of the always highly regarded (if you are on smack) Cal Crutchlow who ...... off from Ducati precisely because he didn't think it was any good...and could seriously find himself finishing behind last year's Ducati run by a satellite team no less in 2015.

If that happens, Crutchlow should be banned from MotoGP.

Petrucci on the midget's RCV would be mighty fun.
Well put, ciggy-Chapman-car
 
JPS beat me to it, but I also rate Petrucci highly as evidenced by my posts earlier this yr and also I had him on my fantasy team (I was highly pissed when I traded him for Smith just before Silverstone!)

So my list goes thus:

Petrucci - I'd like to see him at least in Dovi's seat for 2017, or better yet Pedrosa's
Vinales - Looking promising so far
Baz - Needs to work on some issues but has great potential.

When I think of these 3 and what they've done in their 1st seasons (I know Petrucci was on that POS CAME bike for 2 yrs, so I count this yr as his first proper season) compared to people continually given chances like Pol Asparagus, it does piss me off a bit. I'd pick Vinales or Petrucci over PE any day of the week.

I wrote Smith off last yr, but have to admit he's impressed me this yr. Last yr I'd have Aleix Asparagus on this list, but this year he's struggling against Vinales after a seemingly good start.
 
JPS beat me to it, but I also rate Petrucci highly as evidenced by my posts earlier this yr and also I had him on my fantasy team (I was highly pissed when I traded him for Smith just before Silverstone!)

So my list goes thus:

Petrucci - I'd like to see him at least in Dovi's seat for 2017, or better yet Pedrosa's
Vinales - Looking promising so far
Baz - Needs to work on some issues but has great potential.

When I think of these 3 and what they've done in their 1st seasons (I know Petrucci was on that POS CAME bike for 2 yrs, so I count this yr as his first proper season) compared to people continually given chances like Pol Asparagus, it does piss me off a bit. I'd pick Vinales or Petrucci over PE any day of the week.

I wrote Smith off last yr, but have to admit he's impressed me this yr. Last yr I'd have Aleix Asparagus on this list, but this year he's struggling against Vinales after a seemingly good start.

Maverick is the anointed one elect who I believe is destined for Pedrosa's ride when his contract expires next year.
 
I thought he was tied into a 'long term' contract with Suzuki (at least 3 yrs)?
 
I thought he was tied into a 'long term' contract with Suzuki (at least 3 yrs)?

He does have a 3 year contract....so shouldnt be free until end of 2017...and by then Danny Kent will be ready to move up to MotoGP.....

Danny will get the first refusal if he can win the Moto3 title this year for Honda, move up to Moto2 and win or be close the title next year.....and then be primed to jump up to the Repsol team in 2017....
 
He does have a 3 year contract....so shouldnt be free until end of 2017...and by then Danny Kent will be ready to move up to MotoGP.....

Danny will get the first refusal if he can win the Moto3 title this year for Honda, move up to Moto2 and win or be close the title next year.....and then be primed to jump up to the Repsol team in 2017....

Don't agree - although I'd love to be proved wrong. Contracts mean .... to the Evil Empire and can be altered by mutual agreement and money. If you recall Nicky originally signed to Yamaha, which lasted all of a pico second until HRC came steam rolling in with a highly decorated cheque.
 
Don't agree - although I'd love to be proved wrong. Contracts mean .... to the Evil Empire and can be altered by mutual agreement and money. If you recall Nicky originally signed to Yamaha, which lasted all of a pico second until HRC came steam rolling in with a highly decorated cheque.

Well bugger me, I never knew that:

MotoGP News - Hayden, Yamaha reach settlement.

A settlement has been reached between Nicky Hayden and Yamaha, following a claim by Yamaha that the American already had a contract with them when he signed for the Repsol Honda team.

Having won the 2002 AMA SBK championship, Hayden had been looking for a GP ride, but his employers Honda didn't appear to be able to offer him a factory seat on one of their machines, and seemed to want Nicky to spend either another year in the AMA, or perhaps move to WSBK.

That gave Yamaha the chance it needed and Hayden was quickly being lined up to take Max Biaggi's former ride on the full factory M1. The issue that caused the rift between Yamaha and Hayden is that Hayden is believed to have signed a 'letter of intent' - or something similar - to ride for Yamaha in 2003 and 2004.

Only at that point did Honda realise how serious Hayden was about leaving them and, by now desperate not to lose one of their most popular rising stars, promptly offered him one of the four factory RCVs for this year – something that Colin Edwards and Max Biaggi were unable to get from HRC – and even gave him a seat in the official Repsol Honda team, such was their determination to keep him.

Nicky, unsurprisingly, changed his mind at that point and signed for Honda. He and International Racers, Inc. clearly believing they weren't bound to the earlier Yamaha deal – something which Yamaha disagreed upon, hence the litigation. Yamaha went on to sign 250cc World Champion Marco Melandri.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the matter appears to have been cleared up well before Hayden's MotoGP race debut in the season opening Japanese Grand Prix on April 6.

The brief statement regarding the settlement can be seen below:

"Yamaha Motor Company, Ltd., International Racers, Inc. (IRI) and Nicky Hayden herewith announce that a settlement has been reached in relation to a claim by Yamaha Motor Company, Ltd. against IRI and Nicky Hayden with regard to the contractual issues related to the 2003 and 2004 racing season.

"This settlement will prevent any litigation between the parties regarding these claims. IRI and Mr. Hayden wish to emphasize that Yamaha never did anything wrong or inappropriate and that they greatly admire Yamaha and have the utmost respect for Yamaha as a fine racing organization.

"The parties mutually agreed that this out of court settlement was in the best interests of all parties and for the sport of motorcycle racing. This settlement will allow Yamaha, Nicky Hayden and IRI to put this dispute behind them. Terms of the settlement are confidential."
 
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Excellent takes peeps.

I hope Danny Kent goes to Moto2. I don't think its worked out particularly well for Jack Miller or Marvdick Vinalez. I think Pedro will not get another signing, and I doubt we will see him on a satellite machine. Another guy I'd like to mention is Redding. I really had high hopes for him, but it hasn't panned out. Maybe a Ducati, but I doubt it.

I was waiting for Arrabi to mention Jon Rea...
 
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Excellent takes peeps.
I think Pedro will not get another signing.

Well think again. Early days, but he's strongly linked with KTM which would also re-uinite him with Mike Leitner. Plus, the Austrian marque will be looking for an experienced to develop the new bike in it's first year. I can see a one year contract then a development rider role before he's quite ready to sail off into the sunset on his new yacht.
 
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Hasn't worked out well for Vinalez? Really? Coulda fooled me.
My point was a lack of refinement in race craft. Im not keen on riders skipping the education that may be afforded going through the steps and stages of any profession.

But then again, he is a Spanish ...., and Moto2 didn't quite help Marquez so maybe you did stumble onto a point whilst trying to be clever.
 
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