The Desmo-Dovi thread

[J4rn0]

There you have it finally, in 2017: Andrea Dovizioso and Ducati can win multiple races against Honda and Yamaha. That makes me and many others happy. For Ducati, of course, But also, and in a very special way, for Dovi. Wonder why?

In the exclusive world of the MotoGP riders Dovi has always been seen as a reliable soldier; he's what in an army would be your regular Grunt, as opposed to the elite Special Forces or the Aliens or Whatnot. He's never been a TV star: he's more like a family man. He can ride a MotoGP bike as fast as any rider, but the "elbow down" fashion never got him. He's all substance.

And when you hear him analyzing the race he just won, you wonder. Such a clarity. No deception. Matter of fact. He certainly deserves it, but can this man win the title against the formidable oppistion he's facing? Perhaps, who knows. But he has already won something really important this season, that is the admiration (he already had the respect) of the entire field and of all MotoGP enthusiasts.

So whatever comes, let it come. Go Ducati! Go Dovi! :happy:

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[Jumkie]

Some of us knew this for many years J4. I'm glad some of the Italians are finally getting behind this man. He's won 4 races on an inferior machine. Without the clout to influence Dorna to make last minute changes for his benefit, actually quite the contrary.

I was just talking to my buddy Rog, and we were reminiscing how HRC tried to .... over Dovi; poetic for those of us who remember, that HRC would suffer embarrassment in the UK where Dovi scored his first win for Honda. Had HRC (or any other manufacturer for that matter) treated the Golden Goose like they did Dovi your compatriots and minions the world over would have been mounting an armed offensive. But not much Italian support shown to Dovi when he had to threaten HRC with litigation to simply honor their contract as I recall. No petitions, boycotts, million yellow march, go fund mes. No cancelled press conferences or media gag orders. They treated Dovi like an American in GP, was the thought I've always had: work ethic, underrated, ...... over, without the ...... antics. Anyway, I'm glad you boys are getting on-board now that he is winning races. Nothing fabricates glory hunting fans like winning after all. You're not suddenly rooting for Manchester United are you? Will Italians be turning in their 46 hats, teeshirts, umbrellas, for 04? Haha. I'm just busting your balls J'04.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

Some of us knew this for many years J4. I'm glad some of the Italians are finally getting behind this man. He's won 4 races on an inferior machine. Without the clout to influence Dorna to make last minute changes for his benefit, actually quite the contrary.

I was just talking to my buddy Rog, and we were reminiscing how HRC tried to .... over Dovi; poetic for those of us who remember, that HRC would suffer embarrassment in the UK where Dovi scored his first win for Honda. Had HRC (or any other manufacturer for that matter) treated the Golden Goose like they did Dovi your compatriots and minions the world over would have been mounting an armed offensive. But not much Italian support shown to Dovi when he had to threaten HRC with litigation to simply honor their contract as I recall. No petitions, boycotts, million yellow march, go fund mes. No cancelled press conferences or media gag orders. They treated Dovi like an American in GP, was the thought I've always had: work ethic, underrated, ...... over, without the ...... antics. Anyway, I'm glad you boys are getting on-board now that he is winning races. Nothing fabricates glory hunting fans like winning after all. You're not suddenly rooting for Manchester United are you? Will Italians be turning in their 46 hats, teeshirts, umbrellas, for 04? Haha. I'm just busting your balls J'04.

The 46 band is going down with their wagon.

 

[Aw Mang]

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So whatever comes, let it come. Go Ducati! Go Dovi! :happy:

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Why you no like Rossi no mo?

 

[Dr No]

We'll know the bandwagon is getting nicely laden when the likes of .... Harris preface a mention of Dovi with "former 125cc World Champion..."

(...., that was *13* years ago)

 

[BarryMachine]

Dovi is the greatest rider after Stoner.

Ok hes riding the Stoner designed, developed and built Duc.

And he is receiving personal tutillage from Stoner .....

But hes doing pretty good.

Who knows, maybe some day he will be a contender.

 

[michaelm]

Some of us knew this for many years J4. I'm glad some of the Italians are finally getting behind this man. He's won 4 races on an inferior machine. Without the clout to influence Dorna to make last minute changes for his benefit, actually quite the contrary.

I was just talking to my buddy Rog, and we were reminiscing how HRC tried to .... over Dovi; poetic for those of us who remember, that HRC would suffer embarrassment in the UK where Dovi scored his first win for Honda. Had HRC (or any other manufacturer for that matter) treated the Golden Goose like they did Dovi your compatriots and minions the world over would have been mounting an armed offensive. But not much Italian support shown to Dovi when he had to threaten HRC with litigation to simply honor their contract as I recall. No petitions, boycotts, million yellow march, go fund mes. No cancelled press conferences or media gag orders. They treated Dovi like an American in GP, was the thought I've always had: work ethic, underrated, ...... over, without the ...... antics. Anyway, I'm glad you boys are getting on-board now that he is winning races. Nothing fabricates glory hunting fans like winning after all. You're not suddenly rooting for Manchester United are you? Will Italians be turning in their 46 hats, teeshirts, umbrellas, for 04? Haha. I'm just busting your balls J'04.

J4 has always been a Ducati man, and in the era of the rider who cannot be named I believe there was a significant element among Italian fandom who cleaved to Ducati rather than Valentino.

 

[michaelm]

We'll know the bandwagon is getting nicely laden when the likes of .... Harris preface a mention of Dovi with "former 125cc World Champion..."

(...., that was *13* years ago)

I had the sound on for once for this race, and Nick Harris grows ever more insufferable.

I thought Valentino rode a pretty fair race actually, but even the Harris narrative seems to be slightly changing. I guess not much complaint can be made about the focus on Rossi given he led much of the race, although Nick/.... called Dovi as dropping off the pace at one stage iirc.

Valentino now seems to be "the 38 year old Valentino Rossi" and hence a wonder, which has the virtue of being true I guess, rather than the 9 times world champion.

 

[J4rn0]

Why you no like Rossi no mo?

As much as I appreciate Rossi, or Marquez or Vinales, I feel that a MotoGP world title for Ducati and Dovi would be a far more exciting and significant event than an Nth title for Valentino-Yamaha or an Nth title for Honda-Marquez, or even a 1st title for Maverick (who can wait). Your mileage may vary.

 

[J4rn0]

Some of us knew this for many years J4. I'm glad some of the Italians are finally getting behind this man. He's won 4 races on an inferior machine. Without the clout to influence Dorna to make last minute changes for his benefit, actually quite the contrary.

I was just talking to my buddy Rog, and we were reminiscing how HRC tried to .... over Dovi; poetic for those of us who remember, that HRC would suffer embarrassment in the UK where Dovi scored his first win for Honda. Had HRC (or any other manufacturer for that matter) treated the Golden Goose like they did Dovi your compatriots and minions the world over would have been mounting an armed offensive. But not much Italian support shown to Dovi when he had to threaten HRC with litigation to simply honor their contract as I recall. No petitions, boycotts, million yellow march, go fund mes. No cancelled press conferences or media gag orders. They treated Dovi like an American in GP, was the thought I've always had: work ethic, underrated, ...... over, without the ...... antics. Anyway, I'm glad you boys are getting on-board now that he is winning races. Nothing fabricates glory hunting fans like winning after all. You're not suddenly rooting for Manchester United are you? Will Italians be turning in their 46 hats, teeshirts, umbrellas, for 04? Haha. I'm just busting your balls J'04.

Oh well, Jums, if only you thought for a second before hitting the reply button

It's not so difficult to guess that I've been following Dovi since his minibike days on the Adriatic beaches (in which he used to duel against that other kid Simoncelli), then through his well deserved 125 world title and his 250 duels against Pedrosa, Lorenzo and Stoner, and then of course in MotoGP where he beat Rossi in his very first GP. And of course I know how Honda used him and then let him down (but the litigation was a mistake on his part). Anyway... Now that Dovi's dreams are finally coming true, why not dedicate a thread.

Btw, if you give for granted that all Italian lovers of this sport just blindly follow Rossi, that's so terribly wrong... :happy:

 

[danski]

Oh well, Jums, if only you thought for a second before hitting the reply button

It's not so difficult to guess that I've been following Dovi since his minibike days on the Adriatic beaches (in which he used to duel against that other kid Simoncelli), then through his well deserved 125 world title and his 250 duels against Pedrosa, Lorenzo and Stoner, and then of course in MotoGP where he beat Rossi in his very first GP. And of course I know how Honda used him and then let him down (but the litigation was a mistake on his part). Anyway... Now that Dovi's dreams are finally coming true, why not dedicate a thread.

Btw, if you give for granted that all Italian lovers of this sport just blindly follow Rossi, that's so terribly wrong... :happy:

True that, Biaggi fans hated him with a passion.
I'm just happy to see a non Spaniard with a genuine shot at the title,

 

[gui22a]

Some of us knew this for many years J4. I'm glad some of the Italians are finally getting behind this man. He's won 4 races on an inferior machine. Without the clout to influence Dorna to make last minute changes for his benefit, actually quite the contrary.

I was just talking to my buddy Rog, and we were reminiscing how HRC tried to .... over Dovi; poetic for those of us who remember, that HRC would suffer embarrassment in the UK where Dovi scored his first win for Honda. Had HRC (or any other manufacturer for that matter) treated the Golden Goose like they did Dovi your compatriots and minions the world over would have been mounting an armed offensive. But not much Italian support shown to Dovi when he had to threaten HRC with litigation to simply honor their contract as I recall. No petitions, boycotts, million yellow march, go fund mes. No cancelled press conferences or media gag orders. They treated Dovi like an American in GP, was the thought I've always had: work ethic, underrated, ...... over, without the ...... antics. Anyway, I'm glad you boys are getting on-board now that he is winning races. Nothing fabricates glory hunting fans like winning after all. You're not suddenly rooting for Manchester United are you? Will Italians be turning in their 46 hats, teeshirts, umbrellas, for 04? Haha. I'm just busting your balls J'04.

Stopped reading this far.

 

[gui22a]

Dovi is the greatest rider after Stoner.

Ok hes riding the Stoner designed, developed and built Duc.

And he is receiving personal tutillage from Stoner .....

But hes doing pretty good.

Who knows, maybe some day he will be a contender.

How many races battling directly with the best he has to won to be a contender?

You must be kidding for sure.

 

[michaelm]

How many races battling directly with the best he has to won to be a contender?

You must be kidding for sure.

I think Barry was intending irony.

 

[michaelm]

Stopped reading this far.

If it isn't an inferior machine all credit to everyone involved at Ducati. They have hardly been the foremost object of Dorna's favour these recent years.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

Dovi is the greatest rider after Stoner.

Ok hes riding the Stoner designed, developed and built Duc.

And he is receiving personal tutillage from Stoner .....

But hes doing pretty good.

Who knows, maybe some day he will be a contender.

Thanks to his coach Dovi can now tie an anglers loop and bait his own hook.

 

[gui22a]

I think Barry was intending irony.

Just like suspected. :giggle:

If it isn't an inferior machine all credit to everyone involved at Ducati. They have hardly been the foremost object of Dorna's favour these recent years.

As long as Rossi is racing, nobody else will ever be favored by Dorna.

 

[gui22a]

And my contribution to the topic:

2017, feb. 10th: Massimo Meregalli: "Expected more from Ducati"

Deal with it.

 

[RyanH88]

And of course I know how Honda used him and then let him down (but the litigation was a mistake on his part). Anyway... Now that Dovi's dreams are finally coming true, why not dedicate a thread.

Could you expand upon this please? I was unaware there were legal issues between Honda and Dovi. I tried asking The Google and didn't find much of anything.

 

[michaelm]

Could you expand upon this please? I was unaware there were legal issues between Honda and Dovi. I tried asking The Google and didn't find much of anything.

They were going to put him on a satellite team with a supposedly full factory bike to accommodate Stoner. He enforced his contract to ride on the full factory team, which ran bikes for 3 riders in 2011, Stoner, Pedrosa and Dovi. Some were of the opinion he only got a real full spec factory bike when Pedrosa was injured.