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Jumkie said:
Bro, good to see you're laughing, because Im pretty sure Krops was just being funny. Brit dry humor, etc. Nonetheless, your points stand. Another excellent take. My restoration in humanity peaks about 1 minute after I wake up. Your posts have, like that lap chart u posted, just spiked.
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Was it a joke? I seriously thought he was trying to "calm" everyone down, like this isn't the biggest thing that's happened in motogp in over a decade.
 
JPSLotus said:
No time for motorcycle racing.

Too busy banning people from posting on his news articles.
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Well, to be fair, he is using a filtering system. Comments are placed in a cue and if approved, they're published. (Unless you're a site supporter, then your comments go straight up.) I'd like to believe it's to keep the Evolutions of this world and that .... who started the petition off the site.


Krops help me out buddy. Give me some sugar on this topic. You have my word, whatever I say will be free of Jumdickery.
 
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Jumkie said:
Well, to be fair, he is using a filtering system. Comments are placed in a cue and if approved, they're published. (Unless you're a site supporter, then your comments go straight up.) I'd like to believe it's to keep the Evolutions of this world and that .... who started the petition off the site.


Krops help me out buddy. Give me some sugar on this topic. You have my word, whatever I say will be free of Jumdickery.
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Filtering, a favorite tool of third world regimes, and China.
 
OneDavid said:
Was it a joke? I seriously thought he was trying to "calm" everyone down, like this isn't the biggest thing that's happened in motogp in over a decade.
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Well frankly, if anything, I read it as a dig at me. If I'm wrong, chalk it up to my own insecurities. I've had history with Krops, and didn't play nice about some of his opinions regarding this year's RCV (among other ....).

Krops, I was a .... about it. I am sorry man.

Krops, why is Marc this ....... that so many are convinced supposedly toyed with Rossi? You have placed partial blame on him. What's happened with these (real or imagined, just as valid) RCV issues he has had in wrapping his mind around the early stages of a race? Why is such a long bow being drawn to connect the dots over him being upset at losing Assen and it supposedly manifesting itself in being a culprit in toying with Rossi, allegedly? And...have you ran across any comments, read or written by you, from any credible or incredible person who, 'before' Rossi ever made his ideation known beyond himself, of this suspicion that Marquez was toying, thwarting, and or generally ....... with him over the title? (Note, I'm going back further with you beyond Thursday, because you are privy to so much more. And obviously Rossi leaked at some point his suspension well before the infamous press conference.)

Lastly, can you direct me to any journalist, pundits, experts, and high profile insiders with a reasonable level of impartiality who have voiced a robust word of opposition and denouncing of Rossi's claims and particularly it's dreadful aftermath? I ask you in good faith, as this would restore some level of faith in individuals who view Rossi's role in all this as disgusting.
 
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MM doing what rossi did 10-15 yrs ago
Rossi has lost his mojo for the mind games
the next race it will be someone else to berate
he'll be on Dr Phil next move on
 
fairandsquare said:
Wrong again - VR wanted to go ahead, not slow down.

MM kept slowing him down?

Question: Why did MM let JL go and fight with VR? Only because MM does not want VR to win another championship.

MM said because he is very young he can continue to win. So the lesser the number of championships VR has, the better for MM.

So it is kind of sad that everyone wants the young folks to win (Only because everyone thinks they have a long potential of many years to win and the older riders days are numbered). And even with video evidence no one wants to blame MM who is actually at fault.

How did MM go scott free when VR got a penalty for slowing JL down in qualifying even though JL was on pole that time?

Young vs. Old - thats all this is about! When someone younger than MM and JL comes along both these will be forgotten also.
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They were both slowing down it was a late apex corner. I think the people who think mm did something wrong font understand that corner at all.

Many many people had the complete opposite take on mm or vr winning the title before this happened. Many now Rossi fans wanted to see him win just to see the old man beat the youngsters. I guess you would know that if you joined the site prior to yesterday.
 
Jumkie said:
You have my word, whatever I say will be free of Jumdickery.
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Theres gold in them thar posts....

Jumdickery to be officially added to the Oxford/Websters etc dictionaries ASAP.

Jumdickery....verb

1. The ability to incite hatred in others on motorcycle racing forums

2. to cause an angry, harmful, or violent reaction or feeling due to incessant nagging of those who harbour an alternative view.

3. The ability to profer an alternate version of reality based entirely on viable conspiracy theories.
 
AlienDNA said:
@Jumkie and that immature trolling .... (user: Marc Marquez), please watch the video posted by nikck666 in thread titled “Proof that MM isn’t all innocent”: https://streamable.com/6j4c

There is all the proof you need. Documented in video. All you have to do is actually watch with an unbiased frame of mind. Marc takes Rossi wide several times by forcing his way past at the apex and then drifting out wide, even taking Rossi onto the rumble strip. On more than one occasion he also drifts wide really quickly from the apex almost clipping Rossi’s front tire. Intent?!

There was no doubt in my mind while watching the race live that one or both of them were going to go down. None.
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I was just reviewing Phillip Island, Marquez runs wide several times for almost all 3 of the other riders struggling to get his bike turned, not just Rossi. This of course turned into proof positive he was toying with Rossi at Sepang. The difference being that Iannone was eerily absent. I used the word "eerily" for effect. You see, it's part of the cards the Rossi cult use to build their house against Marc--how could Marc suddenly find pace at PI, how could Marc suddenly not have pace at Sepang. It seems a change in performance is also now suspect! The perversion of changes in fortune or worse, racing, are all acts of suspicion! Where was Iannone, the guy that suddenly found pace at PI but eerily was absent at Sepang? Another foolish suspicion DEBUNKED!


Iannone rode out of his mind in Australia. Watching it again makes me think he was out to get Rossi! Toying with him, buzzing him, blasting by on the straight, this against the championship leader (err Michael Laverty ). ....... Iannone "broke the unwritten rule of fighting with the championship leader", no 'respect' (err Colin Edwards), no respect for his elders. Seriously using Rossi's paranoia and the YELLOW HUNT mentality, I could easily make a case against Crazy Joe. Let me quote AlienDNA, ...
"All you have to do is actually watch with an unbiased frame of mind." So by this standard : Iannone GUILTY as charged! All you have to do is look at the video for proof!

That's EXACTLY ALL THE EVIDENCE against Marc. EXCEPT Rossi didn't input this awful suggestion for Iannone that he did for Marquez. Even though the Yellow Army was ready to crucify him. Ah...they were all so ripe for Rossi to say ATTACK! Marc Marquez is as guilty as Andrea Iannone. Except one of these two rider's is now embroiled in the shadow of Rossi's MCCARTHYISM, ruined by the power of Rossi's accusation to produce fake truth in the mind of the CULT.
 
Jumkie said:
I was just reviewing Phillip Island, Marquez runs wide several times for almost all 3 of the other riders struggling to get his bike turned, not just Rossi. This of course turned into proof positive he was toying with Rossi at Sepang. The difference being that Iannone was eerily absent. I used the word "eerily" for effect. You see, it's part of the cards the Rossi cult use to build their house against Marc--how could Marc suddenly find pace at PI, how could Marc suddenly not have pace at Sepang. It seems a change in performance is also now suspect! The perversion of changes in fortune or worse, racing, are all acts of suspicion! Where was Iannone, the guy that suddenly found pace at PI but eerily was absent at Sepang? Another foolish suspicion DEBUNKED!


Iannone rode out of his mind in Australia. Watching it again makes me think he was out to get Rossi! Toying with him, buzzing him, blasting by on the straight, this against the championship leader (err Michael Laverty ). ....... Iannone "broke the unwritten rule of fighting with the championship leader", no 'respect' (err Colin Edwards), no respect for his elders. Seriously using Rossi's paranoia and the YELLOW HUNT mentality, I could easily make a case against Crazy Joe. Let me quote AlienDNA, ...
"All you have to do is actually watch with an unbiased frame of mind." So by this standard : Iannone GUILTY as charged! All you have to do is look at the video for proof!

That's EXACTLY ALL THE EVIDENCE against Marc. EXCEPT Rossi didn't input this awful suggestion for Iannone that he did for Marquez. Even though the Yellow Army was ready to crucify him. Ah...they were all so ripe for Rossi to say ATTACK! Marc Marquez is as guilty as Andrea Iannone. Except one of these two rider's is now embroiled in the shadow of Rossi's MCCARTHYISM, ruined by the power of Rossi's accusation to produce fake truth in the mind of the CULT.
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As I have said previously, if MM and his bike were so markedly superior, he wouldn't be third in the championship having crashed out of 5 races prior to Sepang, on most occasions crashing out because he rode as though he was markedly superior and could dominate competition which is much stronger this year. So now he is to be pilloried for riding smarter and saving his banzai lap for the one lap where it may be judicious to employ it, the last lap?.

I quite like Povol's conspiracy theory, for which there is at least as much evidence as the MM conspiracy to screw Rossi by winning the PI race, in particular him questioning Dani about trying to beat him if Kropotkin is to be believed; I do believe him btw, he is very careful about putting things like that on his site, and has come here on occasion when he thinks he is speculating rather than absolutely sure about something, such as when he posted about the configuration of the Honda 1000 engine.
 
Another point that has been lost in all the noise of the aftermath is Rossi securing more points by deliberately knocking out Marcus. This has ensured him going to the last round with more points then he potentially would have scored. Not that the points he did score are legitimate because he should have been Black Flagged. But if the championship is decided by less than 4 points this wanton act of violence will have paid off in spades.
 
Jumkie said:
Another point that has been lost in all the noise of the aftermath is Rossi securing more points by deliberately knocking out Marcus. This has ensured him going to the last round with more points then he potentially would have scored. Not that the points he did score are legitimate because he should have been Black Flagged. But if the championship is decided by less than 4 points this wanton act of violence will have paid off in spades.
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Or he could have gained points. Who know Marc may have gotten bored after a bit and may have decided to go catch Jorge and Dani.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Or he could have gained points. Who know Marc may have gotten bored after a bit and may have decided to go catch Jorge and Dani.
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Interesting. Yeah, if we assume he wasn't way back there toying with Rossi (which you and I don't), then it appeared early he didn't have the pace. But who knows about improving his pace, maybe the bike would have come good and stabilized. Maybe Rossi should have waited a bit and not let his paranoia get to him. Marquez could have very well caught at least Lorenzo. Because I don't believe he was toying with Rossi. So if Marcos catches Lorenzo and passes, Lorenzo third Rossi fourth what would have been the point outcome?
 
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Jumkie said:
Interesting. Yeah, if we assume he wasn't way back there toying with Rossi (which you and I don't), then it appeared early he didn't have the pace. But who knows about improving his pace, maybe the bike would have come good and stabilized. Maybe Rossi should have waited a bit and not let his paranoia get to him. Marquez could have very well caught at least Lorenzo. Because I don't believe he was toying with Rossi. So if Marcos catches Lorenzo and passes, Lorenzo third Rossi fourth what would have been the point outcome?
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20
16
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So he would have 11 points if Lorenzo took third. So that would be one more position in Valencia correct?
 
OneDavid said:
How the .... can your (I'm assuming primary) job in life be writing about motorcycle racing just for you to claim no one should care and it doesn't matter? Its literally your job or hobby to care, lmfao

I hope the UN makes a speech tomorrow claiming we should all stop talking about the middle east cause it doesn't matter and who really cares . Haha wtf I'm dying

The main reason this matters Mr Kropotkin is that its clear that people in motogp(and in many other celeberity situations in the world) are so held up on a motorcycle rider they would willingly apply bullying and the guilty until proven innocent mindset towards someone on the receiving end of a transgression just because if they didn't, it would show that he shouldnt always have his way just because he is supposedly the GOAT.

Just look at the iannone bullying after Australia. Its clear they just found themselves a new scapegoat that Rossi will never stand up for. Thus that seems to make bullying and guilty until proven innocent reasonable in their eyes.
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You might want to look up the meaning of the word flippant.

Also, you may want to ask about the difference between tortured, ....., beaten and murdered in the Middle East, and not winning a series of motorbike races. Obviously, it's a bit of a coin toss, but I'm sure with a bit of thinking, you can spot a very subtle difference.
 
Jumkie said:
Hey Krops, thanks for making an appearance. Yeah, you're right it's only bike racing. Sadly Rossi has turned it into an ugly attack on Marc Marquez, the person. This has been quite disturbing for me.

Yes, there are much worse things happening around the world, I'm acutely aware of history and current events actually. No doubt. Seriously, I could go on and on, in fact there is this radio station here that does this bit called "Your problem and third-world problems". You call in with your ..... and moan, then the DJ tells you about some awful .... someone is going through in a war torn theatre around the ...... world. I can't tell you just how this can adjust one's perspective. And I'll even add, I often feel like an ....... for it, until it fades, then I feel like an ....... for that.


For me this incident has captivated my interest in several was, but one in particular is this victim shaming aspect. I see it in my line of work and what it does to young people. Their lives become tortured. There is much research in this aspect, that pain is pain. You know I've been one of Marc's biggest detractors, but it seems odd that perhaps the tables have turned, now you're in the position to tell me what an ....... he is and that he was a culprit because Alzamora said he was upset for losing Assen, or whatever. When I opened this thread I did so with the honest intent to force us to provide evidence of Marquez guilty, blame, fault, in what has transpired between Thursday's press conference and the conclusion of the race and it's aftermath. That is my focus.

Why? Because Marquez I feel has been railroaded, his life has turned upside down, and all I see is the perpetrator being 'ataboyed' while Marc must walk the plank. The character assassination of Gibernau, Hayden, Stoner, Lorenzo, and now Marquez. Something that I observed has diminished their enjoyment of their craft, even to the point that our sport (yes Krops ours, we love it) lost one of the greats prematurely in Stoner, and it's my belief Rossi had a part in that. So are we again seeing this play out without the voices of opposition?
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Rossi lost the plot over the idea that Marquez was holding him up at PI.

Marquez got all butthurt because Rossi was badmouthing him.

When Marquez found Rossi behind him, he thought .... you and started riding like a .....

Rossi, understandably, got tired of Marquez riding like a ..... He then lost the plot again and did something incredibly stupid, knocking Marquez off.

Marquez asked for it, Rossi gave it to him. Difference is that what Marquez did is perfectly legal.

Alzamora is ....... with Rossi's head. Alzamora, by the way, is a real ....... ..... Remember Barcelona 2012? When Marquez bumped Espargaro wide? I asked Marquez in the press conference if he was still having vision problems, and Alzamora got in my face shouting about how I was a bad journalist. Now, I may be a bad journalist, but asking that question wasn't bad journalism.
 
Kropotkin said:
You might want to look up the meaning of the word flippant.

Also, you may want to ask about the difference between tortured, ....., beaten and murdered in the Middle East, and not winning a series of motorbike races. Obviously, it's a bit of a coin toss, but I'm sure with a bit of thinking, you can spot a very subtle difference.
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It's ironic that the 'petition' has had more signatures than ones concerning miscariages of justice in the Middle East.

Kropotkin said:
Rossi lost the plot over the idea that Marquez was holding him up at PI.

Marquez got all butthurt because Rossi was badmouthing him.

When Marquez found Rossi behind him, he thought .... you and started riding like a .....

Rossi, understandably, got tired of Marquez riding like a ..... He then lost the plot again and did something incredibly stupid, knocking Marquez off.



Alzamora is ....... with Rossi's head. Alzamora, by the way, is a real ....... ..... Remember Barcelona 2012? When Marquez bumped Espargaro wide? I asked Marquez in the press conference if he was still having vision problems, and Alzamora got in my face shouting about how I was a bad journalist. Now, I may be a bad journalist, but asking that question wasn't bad journalism.
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Lots of dicks and butts in that post, is the entire MotoGP community a metafore for a male gang bang? :)
 

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