THE CASE FOR MARQUEZ

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Jumkie said:

No, Rossi and people who support his disgusting baseless accusations have ...... Marquez. Let's place the blame where it stems from. All Marc did is do what supposedly Rossi and his fans have admired. Race hard, and in this case clean! Yes, it's not a court of law, This is at very least a space to expose the human condition that has ...... Marc, a young kid who was living out his career but got entangled in the Tyranny of Rossi and his cult worshippers in tow over EXACTLY NO EVIDENCE. None. You haven't produced any, in fact you said, you might be wrong. Well if you are, multiple that times hundreds of thousands which have now put Marc career and life in a awful predicament.

Can you for a moment Steve imagine the implication that you are wrong about Marc? Hell it shouldn't be that hard to do since you wouldn't have to shelve anything, nothing substantial, in fact a mere hunch. Now then imagine what this has done to Marc, the very real human being. You may be hindered because of your faith that he is guilty, and deserves it, now if he is not guilty, does he deserve the mess of his reputation that this has caused?

Remember walking in a GP paddock, its 80% Rossi fans. Marc's work space has now become a hostile environment. And for what? A ....... hunch by a paranoid tyrant who planted a seed to fester in his fanbase.

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Don't think reality is black/white in such a way.

On one side we have the poor little kid who against all odds managed to race in motogp, naive and helpless, not egomaniac, humble and helping, never bashing fairings, always a good sportman, no hard passes, never taking out anyone.
Oh poor Marc, I already see him with watered eyes crying in the paddock with a "nobody loves me" tshirts.

And on the other side we have THE tyrant, the tyrannosaurus rex of motogp, enforcing terror over small spanish midgets, kicking them offtrack.

Isn't it strange the guy who was blamed for public safety just this year numerous times became suddenly the big puppy eyed martyr? Vale kicking him off is not proven, sorry. Leg is moving, but there is no evidence linking Marc's crash with Vale's foot. Rossi runs wide (my oppinion: ego proven "payback time"), he forces Marc to run also wide, Marc for god-knows-why (my oppinion: ego) turns bike towards Vale and runs over him. Vale did not make contact with Marquez. He was in front, taking whatever line he desires.

The innocent puppy: not bumping into others, cruising very careful around the track
Another one:

Paszti said:

Don't think reality is black/white in such a way.

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In a court of law the jury can not use an accused past crimes as evidence against the one for which he is charged.

People say the Titanic was unsafe because rivets holding the hull plates broke easily. When in fact it sank purely as a consequence of hitting an iceberg. Marquez' contact with Rossi was purely a coincidence of Rossi forcing Marquez to the edge of the track

#22 said:

In a court of law the jury can not use an accused past crimes as evidence against the one for which he is charged.

People say the Titanic was unsafe because rivets holding the hull plates broke easily. When in fact it sank purely as a consequence of hitting an iceberg. Marquez' contact with Rossi was purely a coincidence of Rossi forcing Marquez to the edge of the track

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There was still a lot 'till the edge of the racetrack. Marquez was pushed off the best line (also from the 2-nd, 3-th best lines ) but he is never pushed off the track. Please observe the moment he was off the bike and the track limit.

Paszti said:

There was still a lot 'till the edge of the racetrack. Marquez was pushed off the best line (also from the 2-nd, 3-th best lines ) but he is never pushed off the track. Please observe the moment he was off the bike and the track limit.

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Sepang circuit is 18 metres wide. You can see where the racing line is on the very opposite side of the picture. So if there is a metre left, thats only about 5% of the track width left. Do you consider your petrol tank 'a lot left' if it's only 5% full?

I also wonder Paszti, if the bikes were reversed and it was a Repsol Honda on the inside, and Rossi on the outside, would you share the same opinion?

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I also wonder Paszti, if the bikes were reversed and it was a Repsol Honda on the inside, and Rossi on the outside, would you share the same opinion?

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I have hope in myself and say yes! I'm still very young, watching motogp since '93, seen a lot of races and this move is not by far the worst in 20 years. Crazy guy on crazy machines riding insanely, it is not a buddhist prayer.
Vale clearly snapped. It was dumb to do it by all means.
I'm angry at him because i did not expect it from HIM. In other words it was just another motogp ego-bashing. It also happened before, will happen again in motoracing.

I call ........, you'd be asking for Marquez to be hanged from a tree if he did what Rossi did.

Paszti said:

Don't think reality is black/white in such a way.

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Thanks for your contribution. Agree about the multifaceted dynamic of their personality and character.

This thread is about Marquez's guilty and evidence to support the claim that he deliberately toyed with Rossi as per Rossi's accusations. So do you have any supporting evidence to prove that Marc toyed with Rossi at Sepang? Racing another competitor hard for position is not a crime. (I can't believe I just had to type this! That's how crazy the perversion has got).

So if you're posting vids of hard racing, you'll need to provide us some evidence to support it was done solely to thwart the other as intent. I'm ok with you posting previous incidents, as long as you can provide us a pattern of attempt to deliberately toy with another rider. Keep in mind of course, Rossi has a history too.

So what evidence do you have that proves Marc was guilty of toying with Rossi. Also, you are knew, do you have any statements with timestamp that expressed your belief that Marc has been toying with Rossi, say before GMT noon last Wednesday. Surely your keen eye has been observing this all along and it's been published by you somewhere. Surely you didn't development this iron clad opinion just days ago. I mean for you to be so convinced, surely you've been writing this down somewhere.


(Btw, a bit curious, off topic of course, but that second video where Marc goes through the field from last, how exactly does him weaving 'CLEANLY' through the grid and all the riders advance your case that Marc was out to get Rossi. Confused.)

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Do you consider your petrol tank 'a lot left' if it's only 5% full?

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You have no idea how many times I've had 5% in my gasoline tank and thou5, yeah I can make it.


Anyway, yeah, point taken. Haha

Here's the sequence of events AT the time the crash happened:

1. MM was BEHIND VR
2. MM leaned INTO VR
3. MM's helmet/head hit VR
4. MM started sliding and falling
5. VR reacted automatically AFTER MM's helmet hit him

At the moment of the race it seemed like VR kicked MM. However if the tape is watched in slow motion, the sequence of events is 1-5 as listed.

Most folks made a hasty decision based on what they saw on the screen. Without reviewing it is difficult to see.

In case, MM was behind, and leaned towards and hit VR first. Quite clear actually on the tapes.

fairandsquare said:

Here's the sequence of events AT the time the crash happened:

1. MM was BEHIND VR
2. MM leaned INTO VR
3. MM's helmet/head hit VR
4. MM started sliding and falling
5. VR reacted automatically AFTER MM's helmet hit him

At the moment of the race it seemed like VR kicked MM. However if the tape is watched in slow motion, the sequence of events is 1-5 as listed.

Most folks made a hasty decision based on what they saw on the screen. Without reviewing it is difficult to see.

In case, MM was behind, and leaned towards and hit VR first. Quite clear actually on the tapes.

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See my previous post. MM was behind Rossi at the time of the incident this is correct. Only because Rossi dove in before running him wide. Where do you think Marc should have gone? Because old hawk eyes Rossi was watching and continuously pushing him no matter what speed they were going. As Marc slowed Rossi matched pace to maintain the worlds longest block pass. Rossi body language in parc ferme is all we need to know.

Paszti said:

Don't think reality is black/white in such a way.

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Unfortunately Patsy, your version of 'reality' appears to be distorted by a distinctly yellow tinted filter.

Who cares? It's only motorbike racing. It's not as if it matters.

MdubSTYLIE said:

As Marc slowed Rossi matched pace to maintain the worlds longest block pass.

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The "world's longest block pass".

HAHAHA.

(You remember when Jules makes Vincent laugh after he concedes that pork would be edible if he had personality, like 10x more personality than that pig on Green Acres? I'm laughing like Vincent. )

Kropotkin said:

Who cares? It's only motorbike racing. It's not as if it matters.

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Hey Krops, thanks for making an appearance. Yeah, you're right it's only bike racing. Sadly Rossi has turned it into an ugly attack on Marc Marquez, the person. This has been quite disturbing for me.

Yes, there are much worse things happening around the world, I'm acutely aware of history and current events actually. No doubt. Seriously, I could go on and on, in fact there is this radio station here that does this bit called "Your problem and third-world problems". You call in with your ..... and moan, then the DJ tells you about some awful .... someone is going through in a war torn theatre around the ...... world. I can't tell you just how this can adjust one's perspective. And I'll even add, I often feel like an ....... for it, until it fades, then I feel like an ....... for that.


For me this incident has captivated my interest in several was, but one in particular is this victim shaming aspect. I see it in my line of work and what it does to young people. Their lives become tortured. There is much research in this aspect, that pain is pain. You know I've been one of Marc's biggest detractors, but it seems odd that perhaps the tables have turned, now you're in the position to tell me what an ....... he is and that he was a culprit because Alzamora said he was upset for losing Assen, or whatever. When I opened this thread I did so with the honest intent to force us to provide evidence of Marquez guilty, blame, fault, in what has transpired between Thursday's press conference and the conclusion of the race and it's aftermath. That is my focus.

Why? Because Marquez I feel has been railroaded, his life has turned upside down, and all I see is the perpetrator being 'ataboyed' while Marc must walk the plank. The character assassination of Gibernau, Hayden, Stoner, Lorenzo, and now Marquez. Something that I observed has diminished their enjoyment of their craft, even to the point that our sport (yes Krops ours, we love it) lost one of the greats prematurely in Stoner, and it's my belief Rossi had a part in that. So are we again seeing this play out without the voices of opposition?

Jumkie said:

Hey Krops, thanks for making an appearance. Yeah, you're right it's only bike racing. Sadly Rossi has turned it into an ugly attack on Marc Marquez, the person. This has been quite disturbing for me.

Yes, there are much worse things happening around the world, I'm acutely aware of history and current events actually. No doubt. Seriously, I could go on and on, in fact there is this radio station here that does this bit called "Your problem and third-world problems". You call in with your ..... and moan, then the DJ tells you about some awful .... someone is going through in a war torn theatre around the ...... world. I can't tell you just how this can adjust one's perspective. And I'll even add, I often feel like an ....... for it, until it fades, then I feel like an ....... for that.


For me this incident has captivated my interest in several was, but one in particular is this victim shaming aspect. I see it in my line of work and what it does to young people. Their lives become tortured. There is much research in this aspect, that pain is pain. You know I've been one of Marc's biggest detractors, but it seems odd that perhaps the tables have turned, now you're in the position to tell me what an ....... he is and that he was a culprit because Alzamora said he was upset for losing Assen, or whatever. When I opened this thread I did so with the honest intent to force us to provide evidence of Marquez guilty, blame, fault, in what has transpired between Thursday's press conference and the conclusion of the race and it's aftermath. That is my focus.

Why? Because Marquez I feel has been railroaded, his life has turned upside down, and all I see is the perpetrator being 'ataboyed' while Marc must walk the plank. The character assassination of Gibernau, Hayden, Stoner, Lorenzo, and now Marquez. Something that I observed has diminished their enjoyment of their craft, even to the point that our sport (yes Krops ours, we love it) lost one of the greats prematurely in Stoner, and it's my belief Rossi had a part in that. So are we again seeing this play out without the voices of opposition?

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I like this line....it makes it sound like you will stop...but then you go on and on

Wrong again - VR wanted to go ahead, not slow down.

MM kept slowing him down?

Question: Why did MM let JL go and fight with VR? Only because MM does not want VR to win another championship.

MM said because he is very young he can continue to win. So the lesser the number of championships VR has, the better for MM.

So it is kind of sad that everyone wants the young folks to win (Only because everyone thinks they have a long potential of many years to win and the older riders days are numbered). And even with video evidence no one wants to blame MM who is actually at fault.

How did MM go scott free when VR got a penalty for slowing JL down in qualifying even though JL was on pole that time?

Young vs. Old - thats all this is about! When someone younger than MM and JL comes along both these will be forgotten also.

Kropotkin said:

Who cares? It's only motorbike racing. It's not as if it matters.

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How the .... can your (I'm assuming primary) job in life be writing about motorcycle racing just for you to claim no one should care and it doesn't matter? Its literally your job or hobby to care, lmfao

I hope the UN makes a speech tomorrow claiming we should all stop talking about the middle east cause it doesn't matter and who really cares . Haha wtf I'm dying

The main reason this matters Mr Kropotkin is that its clear that people in motogp(and in many other celeberity situations in the world) are so held up on a motorcycle rider they would willingly apply bullying and the guilty until proven innocent mindset towards someone on the receiving end of a transgression just because if they didn't, it would show that he shouldnt always have his way just because he is supposedly the GOAT.

Just look at the iannone bullying after Australia. Its clear they just found themselves a new scapegoat that Rossi will never stand up for. Thus that seems to make bullying and guilty until proven innocent reasonable in their eyes.

Bro, good to see you're laughing, because Im pretty sure Krops was just being funny. Brit dry humor, etc. Nonetheless, your points stand. Another excellent take. My restoration in humanity peaks about 1 minute after I wake up. Your posts have, like that lap chart u posted, just spiked.

No time for motorcycle racing.

Too busy banning people from posting on his news articles.