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The 800cc new bikes

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in the stands
Repsol Honda Team unveils the new RC212V
Dani Pedrosa talks about the new RC212V

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As the culmination of an unforgettable weekend, with Nicky Hayden winning the MotoGP World Champion title, which was awarded to the North American rider last night in Valencia, the Repsol Honda Team officially introduced today, at the Ricardo Tormo Circuit, the RC212V, the bike that Nicky Hayden and Dani Pedrosa are going to use next year, featuring a 800 cc engine, built to conform to the new MotoGP Grand Prix rules.

Honda's research and development department, has worked intensely to make the second generation MotoGP machine extremely agile and drivable, thus allowing the team to continue in the front row of the class and to defend the title achieved this year.


The bike already had its public track debut on September 29, in Motegi, the day after the Japanese GP, and despite the test being made for an initial assessment, Pedrosa was able to clock highly respectable lap times. The bike was shown today for the first time with its definitive decoration. The presentation was attended by specialised international media representatives and was chaired by Honda HRC Managing Director Satoru Horiike, Repsol Sponsorship Director Javier Inclán, and both Repsol Honda Team riders Nicky Hayden and Dani Pedrosa.

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DANI PEDROSA'S ANALYSIS


It's a little bit difficult to make a good analysis of the bike because I've only had the possibility to ride a few laps. But my first impression is that the bike feels right which is very important when you check the first prototype. We didn't work on the settings - only making some changes to the gearing - but it was clear that the package feels quite similar to the RC211V.

Can you assess the handling characteristics?
Definitely the bike is smaller, so for me it's better because I can control the bike more easily. I could touch my knees with my elbows while sitting on the bike and that's something I cannot do now with the RC211V. This is helpful when you ride a race bike.

What can you say about the power delivery?
The engine character feels a little different to the RC211V, but as I said it was just my first test and development is still going on so this feeling will continue to change. And also I didn't push so much.


Is it easier to ride than the 990cc?
Yes, it seems easier to ride because some things about the bike feel smaller and the rear seat is much shorter which makes the whole bike look more compact. The bike has some characteristics which are a little more like a 250cc but it's still a MotoGP bike. I don't know if it will be faster in the corners because there are many hairpins in Motegi and the corner speed is very low.

Which characteristics do you find better than the 990cc?
For me, the dimensions. I'm not tall and this machine suits my size a little better than the 990cc. Even though the height and the weight are the same as the RC211V, the bike is smaller, more compact and this is good.


Jaume Giró, General Director of Repsol: "Nicky Hayden's World Championship, the Teams' Championship and Dani Pedrosa's 'Rookie of the Year' Award achieved yesterday, Sunday, were the end of the first chapter of a new way to understand sports sponsorship: We stake on people, on team work and on keeping a continuous and tight relationship with all agents making up the Repsol Honda Team. Today we're looking at the future with the introduction of this new bike, with which we are sure to be able to enjoy again big success and achieve the highest goals, putting it in the hands of our riders Nicky Hayden and Dani Pedrosa. Repsol and Honda are once again giving their best to create a bike that is once more a reference in the Motorcycle World Championship."


Satoru Horiike, Managing Director of HRC: "We are satisfied with the progress of the RC212V prototype. Under the leadership of Takanori Okuma, the project team has remained well on schedule with the development and testing programme set by HRC. We are confident that winter testing will be positive and look forward to being competitive in this exciting new era for MotoGP."


Takanori Okuma, Honda R&D RC212V Large Project Leader: "When we started development of the 800cc machine, effectively the "second generation" of Honda's MotoGP project, we gave top priority to the pursuit of excellent handling and drivability. For the newly-reduced engine capacity of 800cc, we decided a V4 was the most efficient layout. Rather than focusing solely on top-end power, we also concentrated on producing good power delivery characteristics, which can have a significant effect on lap times. Using enhanced control systems, the result is an engine with good drivability in the low and mid ranges, and excellent power under acceleration when the engine is at the top of its range."

"On the chassis side, we further enhanced the "mass concentration" package developed for the RC211V to improve the agility and quick handling characteristics of the bike. The outward appearance is aggressive and appropriately innovative for a new generation of bike, affording both drivability and aerodynamic efficiency. We will continue to evolve the bike before the season opener and throughout next season."

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Technical Specifications

Overall length: 2050mm
Overall width: 645mm
Overall height: 1125mm
Wheelbase: 1440mm
Road clearance: 125mm
Weight (kg): over 148kg
Engine type: liquid-cooled four-stroke
DOHC 4 valve V-4
Displacement: 800cc
Maximum power: N/A
Frame type: twin-tube
Front Wheels (inch): 16.5
Rear Wheels (inch): 16.5
Front Suspension: Telescopic fork
Rear Suspension: New Unit Pro-link
Fuel tank capacity: 21 litre

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wow! Next season is going to be a blast!
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I don't fully know but why have they changed to the 800cc bikes? for saftey reasons?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Oct 30 2006, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, that was the main reason for then bringing down engine capacity.

Cool. I'm sold.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Oct 31 2006, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cool. I'm sold.

Yeah, that was the official descision, made by the Honda-owned MSMA, only factory that disagreed was Ducati, the other memebers of the big four were all to scared of Honda. Hence Honda gets another clean slate to build another high-cost bike of domination that not even "Rossi will save us" Yamaha can match. I hope Ducati kick their .....
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Honda couldn't wait to show off a very complete looking 800 with the newly crowned no1 plate! Where is the kawasaki?
 
You're right Skidmark, nobody has taken pics of the Kawa testing, are they that secretive about it? Or have they not got the parts together yet?
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I can't wait to see all of the 800's break cover.

I'm going to show how much of a rookie I am by asking this next question, but here goes.

Is there going to be a KR bike next year, if so has anyone heard anything about it, and what kind of powerplant will it be using?
 
Hi Braker, Kenny is going to be using a Honda 800 V4 in their own 'home made' chassis. The team got drawings a exact dimensions of the engine about a month ago so they will be well on their way to finalising their chassis. KR did some development for HRC this year as well, mainly on a couple of different swingarms and on fuelling the V5 with a different airbox so who knows if team KR will keep the same 'suzuki stlye' air intake. the KR212V is something I'm really looking forward to seeing, I'm a fan of that whole team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 31 2006, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're right Skidmark, nobody has taken pics of the Kawa testing, are they that secretive about it? Or have they not got the parts together yet?
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They don't have a finished bike yet.
 
There is no Kawa 800 it seems. Maybe RDP and OJ are just going to jog around the tracks in their green leathers?
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Fewer crashes. Definitely cheaper. With this year's results won't make much difference. At least if they get fit they're guaranteed no DNF's and if enough riders crash they might even be in the points! OK I'll stop bitching. I love Kawas really.
I'm just wondering what the taller riders like Hoffmann and Rossi and Edwards are going to do on the more compact bikes. There's like 30cm difference - that's a whole foot- in height between them and the likes of Pedrosa and Elias. If it feels great for Pedrosa how good can it be for anyone of normal stature?
 
It wont make any difference, all that stuff is just hype. Tall guys ride 125's and 250's. Everything can be adjusted to suit the rider, seat height, bar and footpeg positions all infinitely adjustable and every rider knows what way they like it.
 
I think it's safe to say the bigger i.e. heavier guys will be at a disadvantage with fewer cc's at their disposal, I may be wrong though? I believe Hayden will be at a disadvantage on the 800 becuase of his riding style.
 
It could be argued that they're at a disadvantage now, because the lighter guys have a few less kilos which, I don't imagine would hurt too much, regardless of the size of the engine. But I don't think it will be too much of a weakness. As Skid said, Race bikes, and GP bikes in particular are very adjustable machines, so much so that CV said he was blown away at what he could change to suit him on the race-prototype GSV-R as opposed to the production-based Honda CBR he rode the year before in SBK. And talented riders can win on inferior (less power, heavier, problem prone) bikes, any Rossi fan will tell you that. So I belive, just as a talented rider can ride around small glitches on a bike, they will also be able to ride around the problem of having a slightly less suitable body. There are also theories that riders like Dani Pedrosa are too light and small, which can lead to problems with traction and the like.
 
Hmm I have just been thinking...

Well because the bikes are being chnaged to 800cc the lap times will propberly be slower so dose this mean that the records for the tracks are going to be scraped and started from fresh?
 
No, they won't be scrapped.

I bet the bikes are going to lay down the same lap times if not faster before the end of the season maybe beginning of next season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Oct 31 2006, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There are also theories that riders like Dani Pedrosa are too light and small, which can lead to problems with traction and the like.
it's an advantage & disadvantage. in the dry less weight is the advantage. in the wet big disadvantage.