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Anybody heard anything more on Kenny Snr's Ducati courtship? I haven't heard a thing in a while now.

I know he wanted to field a two rider team. Who's available? Who's worth hiring? Kenny Jr is a no brainer. I reckon he's still capable of the occasional podium with the right bike, who didn't feel for the guy after the portugese incident? He's certainly clever, hopefully he's still hungry. Some of you may disagree, be my guest....

But who would want to sign if you were Kenny Snr and Livio just phoned to tell you you were getting d'Antins' GP7s for next year?

I haven't heard anything about Kenny's team. The last I heard was the KR demanded engines for 2 bikes to Honda but Honda only offered 1. And KR said he would pack up if he didn't get 2.

KR spoke with Ducati and I don't know if that has progressed, problem was Ducati may not have the capacity to service engines for 6 bikes.

As far as I know Junior is a retired rider. Maybe if KR has an interesting project, money, decent bikes, Junior might return but I'd say that's highly unlikely.

Also read some time ago KR did an offer to James Rea some bloke from BSB. Dunno if there's any truth in that rumour.

I keep wondering why the hell Dorna is tea-bagging KR's balls anyway? What kind of arrogant .... DEMANDS that Honda give him a motor? What kinda of whiny piss-ant "threatens" to quit GP's if he doesn't get enough sponsors to pay for everything? .... Team KR, they suck ... anyway! Senior won what, 3 GP championships? Why the hell is he the King? Because he invented getting a knee down? Because he was the first to steer with the rear? I'd much rather his sponsors gave their money to some decent satellite teams... at least they'd have a chance.

Wow, that's one bitter post, especially considering your a yank yourself.. Sheesh..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Nov 16 2007, 11:13 PM) [snapback]101205[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I haven't heard anything about Kenny's team. The last I heard was the KR demanded engines for 2 bikes to Honda but Honda only offered 1. And KR said he would pack up if he didn't get 2.

KR spoke with Ducati and I don't know if that has progressed, problem was Ducati may not have the capacity to service engines for 6 bikes.

As far as I know Junior is a retired rider. Maybe if KR has an interesting project, money, decent bikes, Junior might return but I'd say that's highly unlikely.

Also read some time ago KR did an offer to James Rea some bloke from BSB. Dunno if there's any truth in that rumour.




As far as I know, junior ain't retired, the Honda engine sucked, and they only had one bike so as far as he was concerned, he was banging his head against the wall, he packed up and went home. Johnny Rea was to ride the 800 as a wild card but HRC vetoed that, JR is in WSS for 08 and WSB for 09 with Ten Kate.
Kenny wants Ducatis and whilst Ducati has voiced interest, the last I heard he was still negotiating with American spomsors, something about a two year deal. US is a big growth market for Ducati so the deal has huge potential benefits for them too not to mention the extra data to be gained from the vastly experienced and talented people at team KR. The extra exposure for motogp in the US would also please dorna.
If it happens, of course junior is gonna ride. Why wouldn't/shouldn't he? He ticks all the boxes and he's gonne be cheap too, why do you think Kurtis is riding in GP'? He's free and Kenny ain't got no more dough.




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 17 2007, 07:35 AM) [snapback]101227[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I keep wondering why the hell Dorna is tea-bagging KR's balls anyway? What kind of arrogant .... DEMANDS that Honda give him a motor? What kinda of whiny piss-ant "threatens" to quit GP's if he doesn't get enough sponsors to pay for everything? .... Team KR, they suck ... anyway! Senior won what, 3 GP championships? Why the hell is he the King? Because he invented getting a knee down? Because he was the first to steer with the rear? I'd much rather his sponsors gave their money to some decent satellite teams... at least they'd have a chance.



What did he ever do on you moto? You're post sucks and you're full of crap. Here's why.
Dorna 'tea-bagging' KR's balls is quite acceptable. If you had any foersight whatsoever or could even begin to realise the bigger picture, you would know that Dorna are on a mission to grow the popularity of motogp in the US. Kevin Schwantz and Suzuki know it too. Whoever can present a viable team proposition that will appeal to the American audience will get a significant amount of financial assistance from dorna. Team KR are on the shortlist. Damn right too.
Why should kenny get any help? Well they're the only team apart from Ilmor/WCM in recent years to build their own chassis, whilst they have been using Hondas engines of late, they're still the only independant team to race with any success. They've got a very well established HQ in Banbury, England that has been running a team in motogpfor years, with some of the most dedicated and talented engineers in racing. That's not my opinion, it's widely accepted by everyone involved in motogp. Kenny and his entire team are hugely respected and with good reason. The fact that Kenny Snr has rolled the team this year with much of his own money is testament to his commitment. The fact the you are an American and either don't know or don't care is astounding.

team Kant Ride will be back unfortunatly

Oh no, Skidmark, I understand all the politics of the game, that's why it annoys me. I would be happy to see a good American team in motogp, but KR is NOT that team. Right now all they do is embarass the U.S. by DEMANDING everyone give them money and engines for nothing. They sure as hell haven't earned anything. People don't like rides being underservedly fast tracked, well what about a whole team? If you dropped the politics (which most people would appreciate) Team KR would have been gone last year. Remember Foggy/Petronas? Why aren't they still around? So should be Team KR.

Also, as for them being some sort of motogp magnet for Americans, you're dead wrong. They've been at on the grid for some time sucking hard, but only since Nicky won the championship has American interest increased. Before that it was like this: Let's see what this motogp thing is all about. Oh look there's a few Americans! Oh gawd they suck. What channel is Nascar/Football on? If they want to get more American interest they should get money for a team that isn't rying to do something stupid like build their own chassis just to further their family name. Maybe if they just used a whole bike like Jr. did in 2000 they might have a chance.

Anyway, maybe I should have just flat out said that I'm annoyed with their arrogance. Oh wait... I did.

Would KR want bikes from a manufacturer that supposedly told D'Antin to never finish ahead of the factory bikes? I guess Ducs are better than nothing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mr. Shupe @ Nov 17 2007, 10:49 PM) [snapback]101302[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Would KR want bikes from a manufacturer that supposedly told D'Antin to never finish ahead of the factory bikes? I guess Ducs are better than nothing.

good point mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 17 2007, 03:40 PM) [snapback]101280[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>Maybe if they just used a whole bike like Jr. did in 2000 they might have a chance.

I thought the word was that KR wanted two GP7s, which are whole bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mr. Shupe @ Nov 17 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]101305[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I thought the word was that KR wanted two GP7s, which are whole bikes.

Well they were demanding just motors from Honda, but I don't remember if they wanted the motor or bike from Ducati so I ran with it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Would KR want bikes from a manufacturer that supposedly told D'Antin to never finish ahead of the factory bikes?
Sorry, but didn't Ducati say to Pramac D'Antin that they were welcome to compete with them, as in the case of Barros finished in 4th place and fighting with Stoner the whole way?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Nov 18 2007, 09:08 AM) [snapback]101356[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Sorry, but didn't Ducati say to Pramac D'Antin that they were welcome to compete with them, as in the case of Barros finished in 4th place and fighting with Stoner the whole way?


I think there was a recent interview with Barros posted, in which Alex said that his team was told not to finish in front of the factory bikes after the Mugello race. I said "supposedly."

w0w !!
It seems they have replaced the water cooler with "Haterade" down at the office of "i dont know what the hell im talking about"

I guess that's the fun of gossip, everyone gets to make up their own story based on, well, nothing. Yes, most of you have NO facts to back up your crap, although the little green alien under your bed keeps feeding you information. Just because he wears Rossi's number doesnt mean it's legit BTW. So, before you go having diarrhea of the mouth, take some immodium AD and get your information correct. I'm sure when the smoke clears and Team KR announces what's really going on your intestines will thank you for not filling them with so much .....
Thanks. Have a nice day

So, Ratty, you don't have anything to add to this topic?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Nov 18 2007, 05:22 PM) [snapback]101400[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So, Ratty, you don't have anything to add to this topic?

about as much as everyone else

I love the team, and as for any team, I like to see positive things come into play. To sit around and toss the gossip stick, well, it really goes nowhere. Everyone at the end of last season talked about how much of a joke Casey was and what a crap move it was for Ducati to pick him up. Lots of quiet people on that front now. If you dont have credible things to talk about, then just dont say anything.

So anyway, aside from the negative aspects of this thread. I see KR with new development and strong sponsors. It's really tough to say who will be riding the bikes, but I dont see JR on one regardless of how good it is. The team needs new talent. They have more knowledge and experience in their garage than any team in the sport. If they get the right components to make the machine, they can make a run at it. I really am looking forward to seeing Team KR putting their foot in the game and hitting some podiums.

Just my 2c.

It would be nice if they could get some American kids from AMA in there, but unless Senior swallows his pride and stops with the KR Homebrew chassis I don't think anyone would have a chance. Personally, I'd like to see them run Ducs or Kwaks. Maybe try to get Jake Zemke on board. I was also kind of pondering on how cool it would be if they joined up with Michael Jordan since he's not too happy with the way AMA is being run. Just can Jordan Suzuki and start up KR Jordan / Ducati. That would be bad ....

KR team demonstrated last year (2006) that with the right engine, their own chassis is capable against the major manufacturers.

However, this year, with a relatively 'weak' honda engine, they were not able to develop their chassis to it's potential (if there was any). They simply didn't have the ideal engine suited for their frame.

The question is, would they have faired better if they had a complete customer bike to begin with?

How far are customer teams allowed to 'tweak' the bike provided for them? Are they just limited to adjusting the standard settings (ex suspension stiffness/rebound/damping, electronic management, fuel mapping, etc) or there are not constraints? (ex, teams could use their own swing arm, revise cam profiles, etc)?

I do hope they strike a deal with a decent engine manufacturer or a complete bike for that matter next season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wise_mumu @ Nov 19 2007, 08:18 AM) [snapback]101424[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
KR team demonstrated last year (2006) that with the right engine, their own chassis is capable against the major manufacturers.



You should remember that the KR chassis was rubbish until Honda told them how to make it. I was happy to see the team do well and wish them the best in the future. However i am amused by Seniors idea of racing without help from the factory teams, when his only major success has come in the form of a hand out from Honda.