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Ilmor Could Return To MotoGP - With Team KR
The arrival of the Ilmor 800 cc X3 bike was one of the most eagerly anticipated events of the last days of the 2006 season, and many people had high hopes for the outfit, with an engine designed by Formula 1 genius Mario Illien, and a chassis created by Eskil Suter, the man behind the original Kawasaki ZXRR MotoGP bike, as well as the MuZ 500 cc two stroke racer. And so the disappointment was great when Ilmor made the shock announcement that they would be withdrawing from the MotoGP series after only the first race of the 2007 season. Staff were laid off, and Mario Illien announced that although bike development would cease, for the most part, engine development would continue.

Now, it looks like that choice is could pay off. The Italian site GPOne.com is reporting that Team KR are in talks with Ilmor to supply engines for the 2008 season. The news comes at a moment when the future of Team KR was looking more and more uncertain, after Honda refused to supply the team with enough engines to run two bikes for 2008, with speculation running rife about which of the other manufacturers would be willing to supply Kenny Roberts with engines. The deal is said to be dependent upon Team KR getting enough money out of their current main sponsor, MGM Grand Hotel Treasure Island, to run two bikes for next year. And according to GPOne.com, the team has already tested a new chassis and Ilmor engine, with Ilmor's former rider Andrew Pitt at the controls.

A switch to Ilmor would several advantages for Team KR, but it also carries a number of risks. On the plus side, Ilmor's base is just a few miles up the road from Team KR's home in Banbury in the UK, in the middle of Oxfordshire's Formula 1 valley, making collaboration and communication fast and easy. And the Ilmor engine was said to have plenty of power, as some of the top speeds it recorded showed.

But the problem with the Ilmor is reminiscent of Team KR's former forays into engine building, when they constructed a 990cc V5 with the help of Formula 1 guru John Barnard. The complaints heard about the Ilmor bike were that the engineers had designed it to generate horsepower, with no regard to the way that horsepower affects the handling of a motorcycle, with Ilmor's data technicians telling riders to hold the engine at high revs through corners, a process which is both very difficult and totally unnatural for a motorcycle racer.

The success of such an operation will come down to how much control Team KR will have over the electronics, and engine management system. If the team can use an electronics package which will allow a KR / Ilmor hybrid to be ridden like a conventional MotoGP bike, then the project could have a chance of success. If not, it could lead to yet another demise of a project emanating from Formula 1 engineers. Time will tell.
posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:58 PM
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 17 2007, 09:03 PM) [snapback]95722[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5386
I so saw it coming! Now I'm just waiting for the announcement of Dunlop tyres crosses fingers


Dunlops best development prospects are to be on an established bike with a decent team, just as KR's best prospects will be on an established competative tyre. Being together is not ideal for either party.
 
Maybe 07 will have been a great learning year for both KR and Ilmor. If this happens i hope they will gel and have a great season.

IR, why do you want Dunlops? Michellins makes to most since to me!
 
Traverser, because there would be nothing funnier than a KR bike with an Ilmor engine and Dunlop tyres. They may as well race a scooter
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would be great to see ilmor and kr working together, trouble is it would take at least 2 seasons to get anywhere near competitive, by then dorna will make another rule change that will .... them up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 18 2007, 06:01 PM) [snapback]95754[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Traverser, because there would be nothing funnier than a KR bike with an Ilmor engine and Dunlop tyres. They may as well race a scooter
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Now that's just plain nasty!
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Hell funny though!!
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team KilmoR.....

has a nice ring to it IMO.

i hope that they dont go down "no sponsors alley" if this project takes off..
would be sad to see them go even if it is from the back of the grid....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 18 2007, 06:01 PM) [snapback]95754[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Traverser, because there would be nothing funnier than a KR bike with an Ilmor engine and Dunlop tyres. They may as well race a scooter
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 18 2007, 06:01 PM)

Traverser, because there would be nothing funnier than a KR bike with an Ilmor engine and Dunlop tyres. They may as well race a scooter tongue.gif

what you talking about ir, thats the best of british !
kr in banbury
ilmor in northhampton
dunlop in birmingham

ah, built in the midlands ,i see your point
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I agree Rog, and no all-British team is complete without a quality British rider. Now, anyone know what James Ellison is doing next year?
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Whomever is selling this idea to sponsors and actually getting them to bite is a ....... genius.

I thought this year was bad for sponsors, next year looks like a nightmare with this deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Oct 19 2007, 01:50 AM) [snapback]95828[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
well..how bout KR Ducati... LINK

that would open a seat up for Max.

.... yes! This is definitely the way to go. Its a tad easier to sell the championship winning machine to sponsors than a dud engine from a bunch of F1 knobs.

KRJR and Max on Ducati/Roberts bikes. Sounds good. As long as the tyres are Michelins then it should be reasonably competitive, at this point anything is better than last!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Oct 18 2007, 04:58 PM) [snapback]95831[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
.... yes! This is definitely the way to go. Its a tad easier to sell the championship winning machine to sponsors than a dud engine from a bunch of F1 knobs.

KRJR and Max on Ducati/Roberts bikes. Sounds good. As long as the tyres are Michelins then it should be reasonably competitive, at this point anything is better than last!

dont go getting to excited here, its only another ......... mcn fantasy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 18 2007, 12:13 PM) [snapback]95833[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
dont go getting to excited here, its only another ......... mcn fantasy.


Rog...agreed this is mcn fantasy bs here..but think about this...and eccentric owner and rider. Max might find someone that really understands him. I know most people wont agree with me that Roberts is eccentric...but he does seem to zig when others zag.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(L8Braker @ Oct 18 2007, 05:27 PM) [snapback]95835[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rog...agreed this is mcn fantasy bs here..but think about this...and eccentric owner and rider. Max might find someone that really understands him. I know most people wont agree with me that Roberts is eccentric...but he does seem to zig when others zag.

im trying to imagine but all im seeing is max opening his gob once to often and king kenny breaking his jaw
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but who knows !
i thought max was happy at wsb and had no real desire to come back to motogp.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 18 2007, 02:01 AM) [snapback]95754[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Traverser, because there would be nothing funnier than a KR bike with an Ilmor engine and Dunlop tyres. They may as well race a scooter
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The Ducati deal would be cool even with Max, or how about Ruben Xaus. It is kind of hard to see Ducati doing this though. Look at how bad Honda handled 7 riders this year. I think we'll see Ilmor, or Suzuki powering the KR bikes before ducati.
 

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