Suzuki

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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Dorna's biggest problem (and something I have pointed out to them many times) is that they don't make an alternative available. People want to share this stuff, and if Dorna handed them the stuff to share, they would share that, rather than the stuff they ripped for themselves.

This is different. This is just an attempt to get google ad impressions by ripping the content off MotoGP.com.

It is a rather uninspired contribution to the net, and unlikely to be bookmarked in my browser, but it does not seem to me like there's much malice in it. Looks more like the work of some enthousiastic kid. I don't know much about how one might make money from google ads, but even if he/she does, is it worth getting wound up about? As you say, it's not going to inflict costs upon Dorna. And frankly, I doubt it will get many page hits. I don't even read those horrible pieces on the motogp website itself, let alone seeking out some obscure blog for them. People tend value good original content, which is probably the reason you are succesful where so many others fail.

thedeal · Jul 16, 2013

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It is a rather uninspired contribution to the net, and unlikely to be bookmarked in my browser, but it does not seem to me like there's much malice in it. Looks more like the work of some enthousiastic kid. I don't know much about how one might make money from google ad's, but even if he/she does, is it worth getting wound up about? As you say, it's not going to inflict costs upon Dorna. And frankly, I doubt it will get many page hits. I don't even read those horrible pieces on the motogp website itself, let alone seeking out some obscure blog for them. People tend value good original content, which is probably the reason you are succesful where so many others fail.

The way I look at my site is, I work very hard to find original content for my members, to find it copied on to some ones sight is out of order. If you worked very hard and saved to buy a jacket a guy broke into you're home and stole it and you saw him walking down the road wearing it you would be pissed, its the same.

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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The way I look at my site is, I work very hard to find original content for my members, to find it copied on to some ones sight is out of order. If you worked very hard and saved to buy a jacket a guy broke into you're home and stole it and you saw him walking down the road wearing it you would be pissed, its the same.

I work very hard to generate original content in some sense, with the sole purpose of getting others to copy it. It is true that I would resist this if it were unclear that I was the creator, but that situation hardly applies here. If he/she would be copy-pasting from motomatters, I would be more sympathetic to your argument.

thedeal · Jul 16, 2013

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I work very hard to generate original content in some sense, with the sole purpose of getting others to copy it. It is true that I would resist this if it were unclear that I was the creator, but that situation hardly applies here. If he/she would be copy-pasting from motomatters, I would be more sympathetic to your argument.

I get it now, you're dislike of Dorna makes it ok.

Kropotkin · Jul 16, 2013

stiefel

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It is a rather uninspired contribution to the net, and unlikely to be bookmarked in my browser, but it does not seem to me like there's much malice in it. Looks more like the work of some enthousiastic kid. I don't know much about how one might make money from google ads, but even if he/she does, is it worth getting wound up about? As you say, it's not going to inflict costs upon Dorna. And frankly, I doubt it will get many page hits. I don't even read those horrible pieces on the motogp website itself, let alone seeking out some obscure blog for them. People tend value good original content, which is probably the reason you are succesful where so many others fail.

I am not wound up about it, much. It's just a cynical attempt to make money. This is not just some enthusiastic kid, in all probability. More likely the work of a group who run a mass of websites on blogspot using scraped content, posted automatically. They then use kids sitting in internet cafes in Bangladesh/Indonesia/Shanghai to post links to the site on forums around the world. People click on the links and generate income. 1000s of such websites with low numbers of pageviews still ads up to millions of ad impressions, and a tidy little income.

I would be willing to bet that the original poster originated in either Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, India or China. Possibly routed through a French or Russian server farm. It's where all the SEO spam on my website comes from.

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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I get it now, you're dislike of Dorna makes it ok.

That too of course, but what I tried to argue was that what also makes it ok in my opinion, is that 1) there is no economic damage done 2) it may be assumed that it is common knowledge that the content is not original but taken from the motogp website 3) the blogger in question is unlikely to garner much attention with it.

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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I am not wound up about it, much. It's just a cynical attempt to make money. This is not just some enthusiastic kid, in all probability. More likely the work of a group who run a mass of websites on blogspot using scraped content, posted automatically. They then use kids sitting in internet cafes in Bangladesh/Indonesia/Shanghai to post links to the site on forums around the world. People click on the links and generate income. 1000s of such websites with low numbers of pageviews still ads up to millions of ad impressions, and a tidy little income.

I would be willing to bet that the original poster originated in either Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, India or China. Possibly routed through a French or Russian server farm. It's where all the SEO spam on my website comes from.

So Dorna isn't losing any money and some kids in Bangladesh are making a buck?

thedeal · Jul 16, 2013

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That too of course, but what I tried to argue was that what also makes it ok in my opinion, is that 1) there is no economic damage done 2) it may be assumed that it is common knowledge that the content is not original but taken from the motogp website 3) the blogger in question is unlikely to garner much attention with it.

Read Krops last post he is 100% correct.

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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Read Krops last post he is 100% correct.

I did, I agreed, but I fail to see how it affects my arguments.

thedeal · Jul 16, 2013

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I did, I agreed, but I fail to see how it affects my arguments.

You have no argument it is theft, full stop.

Kropotkin · Jul 16, 2013

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So Dorna isn't losing any money and some kids in Bangladesh are making a buck?

I really couldn't give a .... how this affects Dorna.

A kid in Bangladesh is being paid peanuts to post spam links on websites. Although, given how easy it is to register for PS, it's probably just a spambot automated program.

A gang of someone - probably Americans or Russians - are orchestrating this, and earning a nice living doing this.

Keshav · Jul 16, 2013

I'm against this stuff. I have a site and know how it feels. There is a picture on my site of me in Calcutta sitting with workmen,

inspecting their work. The point of the photo is to show that I personally go to India to hand-pick each instrument. Some

dirtbags on an Indian website appropriated the photo and and captioned it to say that I was one of their employees

inspecting instruments to be purchased for their business (as if those fuckers could afford to hire a white guy ^_^) and

another Indian site completely copied my homepage, logo and all; the only thing they didn't steal was business name.

....... lazy opportunistic parasites is what they are.

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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You have no argument it is theft, full stop.

"full stop", "end of" and the like rarely signal their intended meaning to me.

I get that you have an emotional investment in this argument because of your own endeavours, but you'll excuse me for not unquestionably accepting you authority.

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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I really couldn't give a .... how this affects Dorna.

A kid in Bangladesh is being paid peanuts to post spam links on websites. Although, given how easy it is to register for PS, it's probably just a spambot automated program.

A gang of someone - probably Americans or Russians - are orchestrating this, and earning a nice living doing this.

Well, who is the victim than, other than good taste?

thedeal · Jul 16, 2013

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I'm against this stuff. I have a site and know how it feels. There is a picture on my site of me in Calcutta sitting with workmen,

inspecting their work. The point of the photo is to show that I personally go to India to hand-pick each instrument. Some

dirtbags on an Indian website appropriated the photo and and captioned it to say that I was one of their employees

inspecting instruments to be purchased for their business (as if those fuckers could afford to hire a white guy ^_^) and

another Indian site completely copied my homepage, logo and all; the only thing they didn't steal was business name.

....... lazy opportunistic parasites is what they are.

Well said

thedeal · Jul 16, 2013

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"full stop", "end of" and the like rarely signal their intended meaning to me.

I get that you have an emotional investment in this argument because of your own endeavours, but you'll excuse me for not unquestionably accepting you authority.

I don't give a .... if you except my authority, I have a substantial financial investment as well as emotional, if you want to argue just for the sake of it good luck.

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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I don't give a .... if you except my authority, I have a substantial financial investment as well as emotional,

Which reflects my point about the difference between doing this to motogp.com versus, for instance, motomatters. You apparently have reason to suspect that it is not unlikely that others will be unable to identify your content as being yours, and you believe that you stand to incur economic damages from this. I argued that this situation does not appear to apply here as far as I can judge.
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if you want to argue just for the sake of it good luck.

This is not parliament, we are not legislators. Arguing for the sake if it is all we do.

Keshav · Jul 16, 2013

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Which reflects my point about the difference between doing this to motogp.com versus, for instance, motomatters. You apparently have reason to suspect that it is not unlikely that others will be able to identify your content as being yours, and you to add believe that you stand to incur economic damages from this. I argued that this situation does not appear to apply here as far as I can judge.
This is not parliament, we are not legislators. Arguing for the sake if it is all we do.

Hear hear!

stiefel · Jul 16, 2013

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Hear hear!

Although I must say, I regret not being expected to wear a wig. Would cover up that growing bold spot nicely, and allow me to finally get that coveted 80's full-on hair metal look.

BJ.C · Jul 16, 2013

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At the end of the day it is their intellectual property.

Well, property anyway... how intellectual is under consideration

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