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NFI actually Johnny as unlike a lot of riders he never courted the publicity so really never released detailed doctors reports or x-rays (from memory)

For me, if a Doctor says it is broken/fractured then that is enough for me.

As for sitting out races, personally I reckon Rossi sitting out with a broken leg was a pure joke myself, I mean you don't need both legs to race do you ?

Gaz said:

NFI actually Johnny as unlike a lot of riders he never courted the publicity so really never released detailed doctors reports or x-rays (from memory)

For me, if a Doctor says it is broken/fractured then that is enough for me.

As for sitting out races, personally I reckon Rossi sitting out with a broken leg was a pure joke myself, I mean you don't need both legs to race do you ?

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You have a point. As we've learned from MM, you only need 1 arm to race

Hey Gaz. Your profile says your from Dubvegas. I really do think thats ironic...thats what MDub calls his ..... because its always a gamble what STD he's going to give you

SuperManatee said:

Hey Gaz. Your profile says your from Dubvegas. I really do think thats ironic...thats what MDub calls his ..... because its always a gamble what STD he's going to give you

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Perhaps Mdub and I are closer than we think ...........

But I call my ..... Tiny, and not because of any ironic nickname for a large ....., but in my case there is truth in advertising.


But nah, the true name of the town I am near is even worse mate .......... Dubbo

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You have a point. As we've learned from MM, you only need 1 arm to race

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If you were to believe some people mate they would say that MM is also proof one does not need a brain to race given the number that call him brainless for his actions

Cuntslow races with a broken brain. So there's that.

Gaz said:

NFI actually Johnny as unlike a lot of riders he never courted the publicity so really never released detailed doctors reports or x-rays (from memory)

For me, if a Doctor says it is broken/fractured then that is enough for me.

As for sitting out races, personally I reckon Rossi sitting out with a broken leg was a pure joke myself, I mean you don't need both legs to race do you ?

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If Rossi sat out anymore races the camera crew wouldn't even have shown up.

Why can't all australians be like Troy Bayliss, Ant West, Gaz, Gary McCoy, even Troy ...... Corser.

Jumkie said:

Dub, I know what u mean about miller. He's the real living Beavis or Butt-Head (one of those two, too lazy too look it up). Though I was rooting for him in 125s. Anyone except another weasel .... spaniel.

Edit: ....... Moto3. Jesus, I'm still living in the past.

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lol whichever one is the great corn hole-e-o.

Dr No said:

Ok.
Jack Miller and Casey Stoner are talented Australian motorcycles racers.


Now please proceed to go on a whiney, hysterical shitcrack. Please. It looks so good.

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Because of you there is a aussie somewhere in this world getting lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

MdubSTYLIE said:

If Rossi sat out anymore races the camera crew wouldn't even have shown up.

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You forgot that Caramel would have found a way to cancel the season as well

MdubSTYLIE said:

Why can't all australians be like Troy Bayliss, Ant West, Gaz, Gary McCoy, even Troy ...... Corser.

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Now, no piss farts here but .........

TB, top bloke but ask around the paddocks and he has been known to fully vent at many racers about what he perceived as their 'stupidity' on track and may have upset a racer or three at the TB Classic with his on-track actions. Hard racer but a genuine top bloke ............. agreed

Westy, well let's be honest .......... he is just a stoner of a different variety but again, from all accounts a very likable dude (not the smartest, but he wants to race and I will never begrudge anyone who has done what he has to achieve his dreams)

McCoy - someone I reckon was under-rated and is to often overlooked by Australian fans. Another I am told is a top bloke but is very introverted, quiet and not liking of the publicity which is why he has virtually disappeared from site. Shame really as I am a major fan of mr squiggle.

Corser - I have ridden on the road with him (used to ride occasionally with his brother and also knew him threw a place I worked). Troy is one amazingly intense person, super focused and not suffering of fools well (like a lot of Aussies actually) but a fun guy to be around and always happy to chat but will avoid talk of bikes.

And now I know it may hurt a little here Mdub but I am told that Stoner is much the same in that he does not suffer fools well and is amazingly focused. On top of that, the people I know who have met Stoner all say that he is courteous to a fault away from the pits of a meeting but can be a right prick if approached at the wrong time with race face on (just as could Gardner, Doohan and believe it or not Bayliss)

No doubt though, there are good and bad stories about ALL racers around as our perceptions are based on that which we see on an edited screen, or a 'dorothy dixer' interview, or even based on .... that is biased due to the perceptions of others and yet we fall into the trap of believing it

Whilst I am no longer around bike racing as much, the stories I have heard about many of the riders is interesting to say the least (good,, bad, ugly and indifferent)

Jumkie said:

Dub, I know what u mean about miller. He's the real living Beavis or Butt-Head (one of those two, too lazy too look it up). Though I was rooting for him in 125s. Anyone except another weasel .... spaniel.

Edit: ....... Moto3. Jesus, I'm still living in the past.

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As an Aussie I will always support Miller but I will also admit that at this stage I am a little indifferent towards his personality but that said, I am seriously enjoying his year thus far as I am finding it rivetting to watch the trials and tribulations of the learning curve

Gaz said:

You forgot that Caramel would have found a way to cancel the season as well





Now, no piss farts here but .........

TB, top bloke but ask around the paddocks and he has been known to fully vent at many racers about what he perceived as their 'stupidity' on track and may have upset a racer or three at the TB Classic with his on-track actions. Hard racer but a genuine top bloke ............. agreed

Westy, well let's be honest .......... he is just a stoner of a different variety but again, from all accounts a very likable dude (not the smartest, but he wants to race and I will never begrudge anyone who has done what he has to achieve his dreams)

McCoy - someone I reckon was under-rated and is to often overlooked by Australian fans. Another I am told is a top bloke but is very introverted, quiet and not liking of the publicity which is why he has virtually disappeared from site. Shame really as I am a major fan of mr squiggle.

Corser - I have ridden on the road with him (used to ride occasionally with his brother and also knew him threw a place I worked). Troy is one amazingly intense person, super focused and not suffering of fools well (like a lot of Aussies actually) but a fun guy to be around and always happy to chat but will avoid talk of bikes.

And now I know it may hurt a little here Mdub but I am told that Stoner is much the same in that he does not suffer fools well and is amazingly focused. On top of that, the people I know who have met Stoner all say that he is courteous to a fault away from the pits of a meeting but can be a right prick if approached at the wrong time with race face on (just as could Gardner, Doohan and believe it or not Bayliss)

No doubt though, there are good and bad stories about ALL racers around as our perceptions are based on that which we see on an edited screen, or a 'dorothy dixer' interview, or even based on .... that is biased due to the perceptions of others and yet we fall into the trap of believing it

Whilst I am no longer around bike racing as much, the stories I have heard about many of the riders is interesting to say the least (good,, bad, ugly and indifferent)

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Good stuff Gaz.
Ive had limited exposure to Aussie culture and it seems that there are a lot of Mladin, Chad Reed, Ben Townley, Jason Ellis chip on their shoulder hardscrabble types. I always wondered if that was typical Aussie attitude or perhaps a regional thing.
Also do you have mexican kangaroos there?

Haha, great stuff gentz. I was working like a Mexican Monkey today. Rented a bobcat and leveled 15K sqft of ..... I'm sitting here relaxing now, and I gotta tell u gentz, reading the forum is a great way to unwind. Other than Kesh's boring posts, everyone seems to be on point.

SuperManatee said:

What Stoner did on the GP 07 was quite a feat but dont kid yourself that would have happened if the Duc was outfitted with Michelins

HAHA. Says the Guy that turns into the Tasmanian Devil on meth whenever Rossis name is mentioned

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And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Who the .... cares about what the GP07 would or would not have done had it been on Michelins. It wasn't, so no one gives a flying .... about that Kropian hypothetical.

You could play that game all day.

What if Stoner had gotten onto the Yamaha as VR's teammate?

I think Rossi is talented, just vastly overrated. VR's adventure in Ducati land says everything about where his overall talent lies.

Keshav said:

Any idea how or where this might be broadcast?

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It will almost certainly surface on one of those evil 'sharing' sites dedicated to race vids. Ping me if you can't find anything and I'll send you a DVD.

SuperManatee said:

Also do you have mexican kangaroos there?

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Only those from Victoria (NSW residents will get that one)

SuperManatee said:

Good stuff Gaz.
Ive had limited exposure to Aussie culture and it seems that there are a lot of Mladin, Chad Reed, Ben Townley, Jason Ellis chip on their shoulder hardscrabble types. I always wondered if that was typical Aussie attitude or perhaps a regional thing.

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Have heard little of the others (in terms off off track attitudes etc) but have personal experience of the highlighted one and I have nothing nice, good or even close to say, short of I do hope that I never meet, run into or experience the likes of him again.

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How broken was the ankle that he was able to ride on it when it was supposedly snapped in half but unable to ride on it the next 3 GP's

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What malicious and ridiculous nonsense based on absolutely no evidence.

What was likely remarkable was that he raced, rather than that he didn't race subsequently. Does Lorenzo's unbelievable feat of racing at Assen 2013 (which may have proved eventually to have been ill advised, he crashed and broke the plate next round and missed that race and may have been more compromised subsequently than he would otherwise have been in a season where he lost the championship by 3 or 4 points) the same week-end he fractured a clavicle and had it plated mean that Colin Edwards really should have raced the same week-end when he broke his clavicle rather than wimping it out and waiting for the next race 9 days later, or indeed that Jorge should have raced straight after the second injury?

As I recall Stoner was found to have a more serious problem with more sophisticated imaging after the race than had been apparent on initial X-rays, and required surgery. Complete details were never released, but I can make a fairly educated guess based on the fracture only being detected post race, requiring surgery and there being concern about long term sequelae.

The human body has good mechanisms for healing bone as long as the bone isn't shattered and there is no vascular compromise or infection problem. I don't detract from Rossi missing only 4 races with his gruesome looking fracture then taking it to Jorge so soon after his return to win that race, but once they closed the wound only a few days after the injury I was confident he would make an uncomplicated recovery. The problem with compound/open fractures is that they are contaminated with dirt etc, and usually can't be closed primarily; in his case the bones didn't pierce his leathers which likely kept the injury uncontaminated. It still obviously took very strong testicular fortitude to race as he did so soon after the injury, and his leg would have been weak.

I suspect Stoner had an osteochondral fracture of either his talar dome or tibial plafond, which can be hard to see on plain x-rays, but are fractures which predispose to long term problems since they involve the joint; articular cartilage, like torn ligaments, doesn't heal the way bone does.

The criticism Stoner gets from armchair observers such as you and MDub concerning his courage is ludicrous. Dislike his personality all you like, but I will go with the opinions of people a little closer to the action concerning his courage, such as Schwantz's opinion of that Laguna Seca pass, or Valentino Rossi's and Jerry Burgess's opinions of his riding of the Ducati; Rossi is on the record as saying that Stoner had to be crazy to ride that bike as far past the edge as he did, and was either not willing or unable to ride the bike similarly himself (probably the former and not unreasonably imo).

Jumkie said:

Haha, great stuff gentz. I was working like a Mexican Monkey today. Rented a bobcat and leveled 15K sqft of ..... I'm sitting here relaxing now, and I gotta tell u gentz, reading the forum is a great way to unwind. Other than Kesh's boring posts, everyone seems to be on point. View attachment 11047

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.... me Jum Jum...that's a major step up from the leaf blower!!

Gaz said:

TB, top bloke but ask around the paddocks and he has been known to fully vent at many racers about what he perceived as their 'stupidity' on track and may have upset a racer or three at the TB Classic with his on-track actions. Hard racer but a genuine top bloke ............. agreed

Westy, well let's be honest .......... he is just a stoner of a different variety but again, from all accounts a very likable dude (not the smartest, but he wants to race and I will never begrudge anyone who has done what he has to achieve his dreams)

McCoy - someone I reckon was under-rated and is to often overlooked by Australian fans. Another I am told is a top bloke but is very introverted, quiet and not liking of the publicity which is why he has virtually disappeared from site. Shame really as I am a major fan of mr squiggle.

Corser - I have ridden on the road with him (used to ride occasionally with his brother and also knew him threw a place I worked). Troy is one amazingly intense person, super focused and not suffering of fools well (like a lot of Aussies actually) but a fun guy to be around and always happy to chat but will avoid talk of bikes.

And now I know it may hurt a little here Mdub but I am told that Stoner is much the same in that he does not suffer fools well and is amazingly focused. On top of that, the people I know who have met Stoner all say that he is courteous to a fault away from the pits of a meeting but can be a right prick if approached at the wrong time with race face on (just as could Gardner, Doohan and believe it or not Bayliss)

No doubt though, there are good and bad stories about ALL racers around as our perceptions are based on that which we see on an edited screen, or a 'dorothy dixer' interview, or even based on .... that is biased due to the perceptions of others and yet we fall into the trap of believing it

Whilst I am no longer around bike racing as much, the stories I have heard about many of the riders is interesting to say the least (good,, bad, ugly and indifferent)

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Great summary Gaz, and illuminating as ever, but you rather conveniently made this one glaring omission...

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Great summary Gaz, and illuminating as ever, but you rather conveniently made this one glaring omission...

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You had to bring him up didn't you Arrib?

You know my thoughts there, (summarised) the biggest waste of Australian motorcycle talent that I have ever seen and extremely sad for his brothers as I do think that one's problems impacted on the others opportunities.

That said, and as I wrote a few ago now, having had the pleasure to meet Gobert when he was trying to clean up and race again, it saddens me even more to have known him and then seen what he has become because of his addictions. One can only hope that everyone learns from his issues and ensures that these guys have people around them that will try their hardest to stop a repeat (we may have been critical of Mary Spies, but lets be honest, she has done a great job with Ben as an example of the good)

BTW, there were others I could have mentioned as well but I have not had dealings with them all so skipped it

Did you know that Bayliss has been busy flat tacking stateside?



In spite of splitting his nut sack open at Doni, he's clearly still got plenty of spunk. It didn't end well though...

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Do you recall a young kid called Brendan Clarke that was drafted in literally from a schoolroom in 2001 when Stalker was sacked from the Shell Advance Honda team? I think Haslam was promoted to the V4 NSR while Clarke was given the twin. Can't remember which GP it was though. What became of him?