Stoner's Arm Pump

michaelm · Apr 10, 2012

Frizzle said:
It isn't rocket science Michael.

Almost all the posts stating he burnt his tyres & that he is lying about arm pump, come from supporters of a certain Italian who does impressions of a Ducati rider.

There are new tyres, for good reasons or not (it has to be conceded that the majority of riders wanted a change in the tyres) and it is conceivable that the spectacular (and wholly admirable imo) riding style which gave stoner his edge might not be consistent with the new compound tyres lasting the race. Horses for courses as they say.

However, since the last time it was postulated that stoner was faking an illness because he couldn't compete despite being on a superior bike, or had been "mentally broken," subsequent events have not exactly constituted scientific proof of those hypotheses.

J4rn0 · Apr 10, 2012

Not 2009 again, pls...

On second thought, since Adriana is now far and unavailable, maybe Casey had to resort to arm pump out of necessity? God forbid.

In that case he needs the prompt intervention of the Fangilrls Club!

Keshav · Apr 10, 2012

Michael - when you're right you're right

michaelm · Apr 10, 2012

I don't see much unfair or wrong about hawkdriver's post.

michaelm · Apr 10, 2012

J4rn0 said:
On second thought, since Adriana is now far and unavailable

You could be on to something. The whole period of his success has coincided with his marriage to adriana, and he didn't do all that well at motegi last year in her absence despite his great season in general.

BarryMachine · Apr 10, 2012

J4rn0 said:
Not 2009 again, pls...

On second thought, since Adriana is now far and unavailable, maybe Casey had to resort to arm pump out of necessity? God forbid.

In that case he needs the prompt intervention of the Fangilrls Club!

Was thinking exactly the same.

hawkdriver · Apr 10, 2012

I think he would have said something about the tires as he has said things about the tires in the past. I also don't see how people are bagging on him for not doing more laps in practice. His routine has worked for how many years now. I think it was just arm pump as he says

michaelm' ='1334045258' post='310573 said:
There seem to be quite a few people desperate for stoner to have had tyre problems at the end of the Qatar race. Since this is counterbalanced by also quite a number still death-riding valentino I guess there is no great cause for complaint.

What is definitely true is that he had superior pace early in the race (close to half a second a lap on the field) as has been said on the race thread, so either he ran out of tyres, ran out of fuel, ran out of physical endurance as he says, or a combination of 2 or more of these.

I am keeping an open mind, as you wouldn't expect him to admit to running out of tyres. I guess events will provide the proof, particularly if he continues to have relatively poor results by his standards not improved by addressing the chatter problem or treating the putative arm-pump. I could point out that he did have a few races like this last year from which similar conclusions were hastily drawn, but this did not stop him winning 10 other races.

mh_kingcobra · Apr 10, 2012

One little question: Is this Arm Pum thing make a numbness feeling in the hand? If yes it may sound like Pedrosa's issue after the Qatar race last year. Pedrosa had a surgery after the race and removed the plate they inserted in his shoulder, maybe Stoner needs to do a little surgery if he had a collerbone injury and a plate inserted in his shoulder in the past years!

michaelm · Apr 10, 2012

hawkdriver said:
I think he would have said something about the tires as he has said things about the tires in the past. I also don't see how people are bagging on him for not doing more laps in practice. His routine has worked for how many years now. I think it was just arm pump as he says

Sure, fair comment. I think the specific arm pump syndrome, or physical fatigue from manhandling the bike with the degree of chatter the bike had are the likely explanations, and last time he said an endurance issue was causing him to fade late in races he appears to have been correct . Saying his tyres were fine after covering race distance over multiple runs in practice if this wasn't the case would seem fairly pointless also.

As you say he did things this way for the whole 800 era in which he was the most successful rider, and it has subsequently emerged that doing race simulations (which he was criticised for not doing) is unlikely to have fixed the problems of the ducati.

frizzle · Apr 10, 2012

Nicky has had issues in the past of his tyres fading later in his races. He had no issues in this race. I doubt the tyres are going to fade that badly for anyone.

BarryMachine · Apr 10, 2012

mh_kingcobra said:
One little question: Is this Arm Pum thing make a numbness feeling in the hand? If yes it may sound like Pedrosa's issue after the Qatar race last year. Pedrosa had a surgery after the race and removed the plate they inserted in his shoulder, maybe Stoner needs to do a little surgery if he had a collerbone injury and a plate inserted in his shoulder in the past years!

Its arm pump read up on that first before you comment

Mr Squiggle · Apr 10, 2012

J4rn0 said:
Not 2009 again, pls...

On second thought, since Adriana is now far and unavailable, maybe Casey had to resort to arm pump out of necessity? God forbid.

In that case he needs the prompt intervention of the Fangilrls Club!

Haha...brilliant.

xx CURVE xx · Apr 10, 2012

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mh_kingcobra · Apr 11, 2012

BarryMachine said:
Its arm pump read up on that first before you comment

I know it is an arm pump. I just dont know what actually is an arm pump and what was the differnece?

sorry for the dumb question

Edwards · Apr 11, 2012

If he won he wouldn't have had the dreaded arm pump im sure.

digger · Apr 11, 2012

mh_kingcobra said:
I know it is an arm pump. I just dont know what actually is an arm pump and what was the differnece?

sorry for the dumb question

Build up of fluid in the forearm. I've had it a couple of times and it is ...., you lose all feeling and can't use your hand properly. It makes it nearly impossible to hang onto the bars. It's very frustrating cause it makes u feel as weak as a baby.

Edwards · Apr 11, 2012

digger said:
Build up of fluid in the forearm. I've had it a couple of times and it is ...., you lose all feeling and can't use your hand properly. It makes it nearly impossible to hang onto the bars. It's very frustrating cause it makes u feel as weak as a baby.

2nd that. Makes your hands feel like bricks. Very hard to use the levers at all and hard just to hold on and carry on riding fast. Usually get it when you're not 'bike fit' but you can also get it from holding on to the grips too hard and not relaxing.

digger · Apr 11, 2012

Yep, that's what puzzles me about the sticking the leg out thing. Ive said it before on here I think that if you are dangling that leg out in the breeze, you aren't gripping the tank properly with the legs, so you would have to make up for it by hanging on more with the arms, therefore increasing the risk of arm pump.

That's my expert opinion anyway

BarryMachine · Apr 11, 2012

I'd actually second the "glove theory" that Stoner posed. I once did an enduro ride in the hills around Mudgee NSW and since it was nearly snowing I decided to wear lambswool lined ski gloves .......... big mistake. About 20km in I could not possibly hang on any more even opening farm gates became a chore ( with the latch chain. ) I ended up taking the gloves off entirely and rode. They kinda came back but they were then pretty numb from the cold ......... Moral of the story, I never wear gloves with anything more than a few layers of leather only on the palm, as it increases the diameter of the grips and really tires the muscles.

It was still a fun day anyway.

BarryMachine · Apr 11, 2012

digger said:
Yep, that's what puzzles me about the sticking the leg out thing. Ive said it before on here I think that if you are dangling that leg out in the breeze, you aren't gripping the tank properly with the legs, so you would have to make up for it by hanging on more with the arms, therefore increasing the risk of arm pump.

That's my expert opinion anyway

But usually when they stick out the legs, they are not using the forearm muscles as much ( the forearm muscles power the fingers to grip). When The leg s out they are slowing rapidly and there is massive force via the palms. Its more of a compression forceon the upper arm and the triceps is the muscle under stress there. The pec.s also take a huge load there but not the Flexor Digitorum set of muscles.

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