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Mick D said:
You gotta sift through it. Not every utterance carries the same weight.





My thoughts on the BBC interview with Casey.



"I thought I had a family in one manufacturer and they go behind your back and burn you really hard". Back to the 2009 mystery illness and the bad taste it left?



Basically, it seems, Ducati has been wrecking the careers of riders since 2007 and Casey, although he tamed the beast on the track, lost his career to Ducati and its Sponsor as well.
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I hear what your saying mike and i understand what its like to fall out of love with something you once loved. It's just i'm finding a lot of the reasons more a ..... at all those who have aggrieved him in the past than reasonable reasons to leave the sport. Like the way he says he was treated at ducati. He now rides for HRC not Ducati so why is that a reason now?

I respect its his life and if he wants to go then fair enough. In fact i don't think he really needed to give any reasons to the public at all. But in the interview the reasons he did give sounds like a drama queen exit to me. Some reasons he gave are relevant but some are laughable and nothing more than a departing dig.
 
I think he has, reasonably, found supporting issues to justify a feeling he's had since 2009 after having a legitimate illness and being hung out to dry by a team, sponsor and individuals. Livio paved the way and Casey tried to use Honda and a fresh start to reignite the fire inside doused by Ducati. That some of his comments seem frivolous can be forgiven, he ain't the best interviewee!
 
Personally I think the way that Valentino walked away from Yamaha and the manner that it was done along with the reasons given was more reprehensible than Casey's justification of his retirement. Stoner is not a PR machine that rolls out endless insincere platitudes to keep the sponsors and viewers happy. He says what he feels - and much of the time this isn't what people want to hear. Surtees and Hocking are the only riders in the history of this championship to walk away from the No.1 plate, they too had a complex series of reasons behind their decision. Mick Doohan said today that Casey had intimated at Christmas his mind was made up - primarily due to the fact that he isn't enjoying his racing anymore...this appears to be the governing factor behind his retirement although I concede the contributing factors to this are manifold. Casey does clearly have an issue with Ducati which is still relevant to him just as Valentino had issues with HRC that continued to be voiced during his time at Yamaha.



Far from the allegations of bitterness, I think as much as he is vilified for whatever reasons, he should be applauded for his magnanimous admission that his heart is no longer in it and why should he be paid to do something he doesn't believe in when there are plenty of other riders worthy of his seat. I think that's a noble thing to say - and I have no doubt concerning the sincerity of his statement. I also have no doubt that when he says he won't be back he means that as well. .... who he upsets, and .... his unpopularity - just as I say to hell with Rossi's insincerity and duplicitous nature, or Pedrosa's personality bypass - I'm interested in what these guys do on a racetrack - and it's going to feel an empty one without Stoner. I wish him well.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Personally I think the way that Valentino walked away from Yamaha and the manner that it was done along with the reasons given was more reprehensible than Casey's justification of his retirement. Stoner is not a PR machine that rolls out endless insincere platitudes to keep the sponsors and viewers happy. He says what he feels - and much of the time this isn't what people want to hear. Surtees and Hocking are the only riders in the history of this championship to walk away from the No.1 plate, they too had a complex series of reasons behind their decision. Mick Doohan said today that Casey had intimated at Christmas his mind was made up - primarily due to the fact that he isn't enjoying his racing anymore...this appears to be the governing factor behind his retirement although I concede the contributing factors to this are manifold. Casey does clearly have an issue with Ducati which is still relevant to him just as Valentino had issues with HRC that continued to be voiced during his time at Yamaha.



Far from the allegations of bitterness, I think as much as he is vilified for whatever reasons, he should be applauded for his magnanimous admission that his heart is no longer in it and why should he be paid to do something he doesn't believe in when there are plenty of other riders worthy of his seat. I think that's a noble thing to say - and I have no doubt concerning the sincerity of his statement. I also have no doubt that when he says he won't be back he means that as well. .... who he upsets, and .... his unpopularity - just as I say to hell with Rossi's insincerity and duplicitous nature, or Pedrosa's personality bypass - I'm interested in what these guys do on a racetrack - and it's going to feel an empty one without Stoner. I wish him well.
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From what Casey said in the interview to Matt Roberts on Friday, he ain't coming back racing again.....unless GP goes to 750cc two strokes. It genuinely sounds like the guy is done.

The tone of some of the interview clearly reveals a bitterness to what he thought were his racing family in Bologna
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Personally I think the way that Valentino walked away from Yamaha and the manner that it was done along with the reasons given was more reprehensible than Casey's justification of his retirement. Stoner is not a PR machine that rolls out endless insincere platitudes to keep the sponsors and viewers happy. He says what he feels - and much of the time this isn't what people want to hear. Surtees and Hocking are the only riders in the history of this championship to walk away from the No.1 plate, they too had a complex series of reasons behind their decision. Mick Doohan said today that Casey had intimated at Christmas his mind was made up - primarily due to the fact that he isn't enjoying his racing anymore...this appears to be the governing factor behind his retirement although I concede the contributing factors to this are manifold. Casey does clearly have an issue with Ducati which is still relevant to him just as Valentino had issues with HRC that continued to be voiced during his time at Yamaha.



Far from the allegations of bitterness, I think as much as he is vilified for whatever reasons, he should be applauded for his magnanimous admission that his heart is no longer in it and why should he be paid to do something he doesn't believe in when there are plenty of other riders worthy of his seat. I think that's a noble thing to say - and I have no doubt concerning the sincerity of his statement. I also have no doubt that when he says he won't be back he means that as well. .... who he upsets, and .... his unpopularity - just as I say to hell with Rossi's insincerity and duplicitous nature, or Pedrosa's personality bypass - I'm interested in what these guys do on a racetrack - and it's going to feel an empty one without Stoner. I wish him well.
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....... neo boppers !
 
haha, don't get upset by the grammar police , just a joke man. i don't want to know how grammatically incorrect my sentences are!
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hey johnny, blunts > bongs
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chopperman said:
Oh and spare me the ammeture, Psychology.



Edited to keep the resident grammar police happy.
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As usual, we struggle to unveil and comprehend the hidden nuggets of wisdom buried in your tangled syntax.

Is this what you had in mind?



Armature psychology??
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Note: Colonel Klink is not impressed!
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chopperman said:
....... neo boppers !
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I prefer the term, 'Stoner Boner' myself.



Dude, please stop diluting the meaning of the word, 'Bopper.' It should be used only to refer to foaming fans of Rossi or Hopkins.



Thank you for your consideration.
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i like hopkins. can i be a boner still?



btw us lorenzo fans ( i just assume that there are some on here) want a term for ourselves
 
Geonerd said:
I prefer the term, 'Stoner Boner' myself.



Dude, please stop diluting the meaning of the word, 'Bopper.' It should be used only to refer to foaming fans of Rossi or Hopkins.



Thank you for your consideration.
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Nope, neo bopper is here to stay, well to the end of the season at least
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chopperman said:
Because he is not in a moto2 or 3 team so if doesn't effect him at all. Sure he may think it unfair to those teams but to give that as one of his reasons for retirement? Who appointed him paddock nanny? If the moto2 and 3 teams don't like it then they should bring it up with dorna. I cant see it has anything to do with Casey. Why don't i jack my job because the people in a different department don't have as nice an office as me?
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Who ....... said he was? You keep implying his intentions and motivations are something entirely other than what they are.

Your problem is you can't tolerate Stoner having values different from yours. How dare he have a point of view that differs from

that of the The Great Rog? You actually think these guys bust their ... for year after year, risk their lives and spend the better part

of every season far away from friends and family so they can have the royal pleasure of conforming to Roger's Rules For Living?

Can you spell Grandiose?
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
Thats an incredibly naive statement from someone who was in the paddock for quite a number of years before



Everything is business.



All you need to know about life is that the world circles around money, power and .....
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This is the illusion held dear by people who have never had any of the above.
 
chopperman said:
Moto2 and moto3 teams are not allowed to park their motor-homes in the paddock as one of the reasons for retiring. Why the hell would that bother Casey Stoner?
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Because (if you actually listen to what he said) it wasn't true in the past. He said how challenging it was when he was in the lower classes

and had been allowed a motor home. He was saying how tough it is for riders in those classes and how ...... Dorna was to have changed

the ruling on this. It has to do with something you don't have much to do with, that being empathy for people beyond your immediate circle

of friends and family.
 
chopperman said:
I can understand why he thinks its unfair and maybe not so good for the sports future which is for another debate when more info on this and the damage its doing becomes available. Still doesn't answer why stoner would use this as one of his reasons for retirement when it does not effect him in any way.



Paddock space at some tracks is limited anyway i would have thought, comes down to pecking order.
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It's because unlike some self-absorbed people he actually cares about someone other than himself.

You probably went to see the movie Gandhi and were mystified that guy went to so much bother

helping people who were not himself. Gandhi made a nice living as an attorney and could have

easily afforded to live in comfort and spend his money at the racetrack and going to cricket matches.

Why would he speak his mind and walk away from the rewards of all his years at University and taking

all those tests just because a bunch of losers were living in poverty? A real head scratcher eh Rog?
 

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