Stoner Retiring!

stiefel · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Why cynical? Im asking a question here. You and lady mike have not answered yet instead just ...... wtf is your problem with answering one question?

Because otherwise they have to stay in hotels. Which cost money. Which makes it that much harder for young up and coming riders to participate in the series. Because Stoner probably has this idealistic conviction that that is a bad thing.

If you fail to understand that, I'd say that says more about your personality than Stoner's motives.

chopperman · May 20, 2012

stiefel said:
Because otherwise they have to stay in hotels. Which cost money. Which makes it that much harder for young up and coming riders to participate in the series. Because Stoner probably has this idealistic conviction that that is a bad thing.

If you fail to understand that, I'd say that says more about your personality than Stoner's motives.

I can understand why he thinks its unfair and maybe not so good for the sports future which is for another debate when more info on this and the damage its doing becomes available. Still doesn't answer why stoner would use this as one of his reasons for retirement when it does not effect him in any way.

Paddock space at some tracks is limited anyway i would have thought, comes down to pecking order.

cliche guevara · May 20, 2012

the water crisis in 3rd world countries doesn't A-ffect me but it still bothers me

edit : and thats something far away from me, not something i see everytime i work and it doesn't remind me of my own upbringing

chopperman · May 20, 2012

cliché guevara said:
the water crisis in 3rd world countries doesn't A-ffect me but it still bothers me

Enough for you to jack your life, sell up and move there to help?

cliche guevara · May 20, 2012

no but if someone asked me why i was so cynical about this world i could state that as one of the reasons i'm fed up

stiefel · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
I can understand why he thinks its unfair and maybe not so good for the sports future which is for another debate when more info on this and the damage its doing becomes available. Still doesn't answer why stoner would use this as one of his reasons for retirement when it does not effect him in any way.

Paddock space at some tracks is limited anyway i would have thought, comes down to pecking order.

Actually, I'd say it does, but you do not seem to be able to comprehend it. That could be either because a) you find it easier to pretend that you don't understand it for the sake of the argument you are trying to run, or

altruistic considerations are so strange to you that you simply cannot imagine others having them.

cliche guevara · May 20, 2012

burn

chopperman · May 20, 2012

stiefel said:
Actually, I'd say it does, but you do not seem to be able to comprehend it. That could be either because a) you find it easier to pretend that you don't understand it for the sake of the argument you are trying to run, or

altruistic considerations are so strange to you that you simply cannot imagine others having them.

Ok, let me ask you a question. Do you believe the reasons given in the interview Krop posted are genuine reasons for his decision or

there is another reason but he has used this as an opportunity to vent his anger on things he believes are unfair? such as parking arrangements and what bike RDP is riding.

Did you not see the short interview with the HRC boss where he said "its all my fault"?

Oh and spare me the ammeture, Psychology.

Edited to keep the resident grammar police happy.

Kropotkin · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Oh and spare me the Ammeter, Psychology.

Here you go:

chopperman · May 20, 2012

Kropotkin said:
Here you go:

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Kropotkin · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
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No offence meant, but it was a very entertaining typo. I couldn't resist.

stiefel · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Ok, let me ask you a question. Do you believe the reasons given in the interview Krop posted are genuine reasons for his decision or

there is another reason but he has used this as an opportunity to vent his anger on things he believes are unfair? such as parking arrangements and what bike RDP is riding.

Did you not see the short interview with the HRC boss where he said "its all my fault"?

Oh and spare me the Ammeter, Psychology.

Oh, the irony.

I think there are a lot of things that pushed him to the place where he is now and I see no reason to question the things he mentioned as contributing to his disillusion with the sport.

Could there have happened something else that served as a catalyst? Maybe, I don't know. But the fact that there may or may not have been some event that pushed him over the edge does not invalidate his official reasons for falling out of love with the sport.

The problem is, you are trying to make conjecture a self serving argument in order to be able to say: ah, he is insencere and acting pissed off about "parking arrangements" (Still not getting it with the motorhomes? Or why else this interesting choice of words?) but really its all because something happened betweem him and HRC. Which I find in poor taste and baseless.

chopperman · May 20, 2012

Kropotkin said:
No offence meant, but it was a very entertaining typo. I couldn't resist.

Yeah i know mate. Its this useless spell check on firefox

chopperman · May 20, 2012

stiefel said:
Oh, the irony.

I think there are a lot of things that pushed him to the place where he is now and I see no reason to question the things he mentioned as contributing to his disillusion with the sport.

Could there have happened something else that served as a catalyst? Maybe, I don't know. But the fact that there may or may not have been some event that pushed him over the edge does not invalidate his official reasons for falling out of love with the sport.

The problem is, you are trying to make conjecture a self serving argument in order to be able to say: ah, he is insencere and acting pissed off about "parking arrangements" (Still not getting it with the motorhomes? Or why else this interesting choice of words?) but really its all because something happened betweem him and HRC. Which I find in poor taste and baseless.

It was on the bbc before the race, there was a short interview with the HRC top man. How is that baseless

Is this not a forum for decision and debate about things we see and hear ? This WAS on tv ! i mention it. You find this "poor taste and baseless" why?

Are we not allowed to discuss anything stoner here unless its blind mindless praise? get over yourself

Mick D · May 20, 2012

My thoughts on the Aussie TV interview:

Mystery illness 2009 is when Casey first conceived retirement. "Showed what we [sic] meant to people [specific "people"…], which was nothing. Things happen behind our back [are you listening Marlboro men?] and realised that this paddock is nothing more than a business, there's no passion." I think the callous treatment by Marlboro left a very bitter taste in Casey's mouth.

"I thought last year I might be able to get my passion back for racing but it just didn't happen." Even with a Championship the taste couldn't be washed out.

Serious possibility this may more an extended break rather than a retirement. "I want to get that passion back. I don't want to lose what I've spent my whole life doing and enjoying for good". Translation: I need industrial strength mouthwash and a long holiday.

Very down on Dorna and Carmen, not without cause.

He is acutely conscious of the risks of MGP racing. Injury and mortality seem to be weighing heavy… Marco?

Mr Squiggle · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Ok, let me ask you a question. Do you believe the reasons given in the interview Krop posted are genuine reasons for his decision or

there is another reason but he has used this as an opportunity to vent his anger on things he believes are unfair? such as parking arrangements and what bike RDP is riding.

Did you not see the short interview with the HRC boss where he said "its all my fault"?

Oh and spare me the ammeture, Psychology.

Edited to keep the resident grammar police happy.

Try again!

Mr Squiggle · May 20, 2012

Kropotkin said:
Here you go:

Hey Krop did you interview Andi Pedrosa after the race?

gekko1ro · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
It was on the bbc before the race, there was a short interview with the HRC top man. How is that baseless

Is this not a forum for decision and debate about things we see and hear ? This WAS on tv ! i mention it. You find this "poor taste and baseless" why?

Are we not allowed to discuss anything stoner here unless its blind mindless praise? get over yourself

since you mention it so many times, the interview is here

http://youtu.be/ENwZma_LFA0

Mick D · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Ok, let me ask you a question. Do you believe the reasons given in the interview Krop posted are genuine reasons for his decision or there is another reason

You gotta sift through it. Not every utterance carries the same weight.

My thoughts on the BBC interview with Casey.

"I thought I had a family in one manufacturer and they go behind your back and burn you really hard". Back to the 2009 mystery illness and the bad taste it left?

Basically, it seems, Ducati has been wrecking the careers of riders since 2007 and Casey, although he tamed the beast on the track, lost his career to Ducati and its Sponsor as well.

Kropotkin · May 20, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
Hey Krop did you interview Andi Pedrosa after the race?

You like my glass house? Shiny, hey!

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