Stoner Retiring!

xx CURVE xx · May 20, 2012

BarryMachine · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
What's bought this rant on? i was answering a question, do i really need to say deserved champ, most awesome after every frigging post about stoner ? The question was "who else out of any rider could win on a ducati". jeeez

You really are a lamearse Rog.

mylexicon · May 20, 2012

JohnnyKnockdown said:
What you were trying to say is that all dogs lick their balls because they can, but the proverbial wonder dog refuses to lick his balls even though he can. He resists the warmth of his tongue lapping across his taint even though it is infinitly pleasurable because he possesses free will and feels no need for warm balls, or conforming like the rest of the ball lappers.

I'm not saying that b/c I would never compare Stoner's reaction to money, fame, and power with his reaction to sexual stimulation. Later in your post, you say that Casey does not enjoy "licking his balls" b/c he is an introvert. If the observation works when you make it, I'm not sure why you would mock me for reaching a similar conclusion (though I wouldn't use the ball-licking analogy, if for no other reason b/c it is impossible in humans). I'm not sure what the dog-ball-licking reference has to do with anything, other than a flippant attempt to tie back into Pavlovian theory.

You point out that we should respect and understand his reasons for retiring. But what are the reasons behind his reasons. We all use our own sensibilities and passions to try to understand. Most of us are so stupidly passionate about the sport we spend hours on the internet discussing it and cannot fathom why he would walk away.

The Aussies defend it because they are emulating their countries largest population, sheep. Their is not a critical thought amongst them.

I believe the reasons behind the reasons are what Jumkie said. Casey is an introvert.

Introversion is not a reason, it is a psychological classification for his behavior. The reason behind behavioral functions (or endocrine functions) is not known, though we suppose it is some sort of evolutionary or creationary purpose, depending upon your viewpoint. We only have the descriptive reasons given by the individual to describe emotional or psychological abstraction.

I can fathom why he walked away. I'm not rejecting reasons I don't understand, and substituting theories I prefer. I'm accepting what he said, trying to understand the connotations of his words, and contemplating how it could be true. He's a hard person to understand so I think it is important to get inside his mind. If people don't try to walk a mile in his shoes, they're going to write dumb stuff about him. Isn't that more or less the story of Casey's public image? It's been six years, and I think people should get with the program before he ends his career.

xx CURVE xx · May 20, 2012

BM i know Stoners decision to walk has been hardest on you, you dont have to put on the brave face youre amongst friends here, brother Barry, if you need a shoulder to cry on im here for you bro.. its ok to let your feeling out, some times men do cry.. i love you man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mQhLVgagVQ

michaelm · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Well if capi could win on the 07 bike and podium another 3 times i'm pretty sure vale could have won many races on the 07 bike.

I think rossi probably could have won the 2006 championship on the 2006 ducati, he is a vastly better rider than loris capirossi. I have strong doubts loris would have won even without the injuries, as a motogp rider he was always streaky. Given that mdubstylie has forbidden conjecture by stoner fans, in fairness it probably should apply to rossi fans as well though

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I don't think rossi would have won on the 2007 ducati, with stoner on one as well anyway, he doesn't like the engine characteristics of the current one. Of the people in the field john hopkins might have best suited it, but stoner would seem to be more consistent and less error prone than him when on sufficiently good equipment, although whether hopkins was ever on sufficiently good equipment is another question.

Don't think stoner on a 2007 or 2008 yamaha would have beaten a similarly equipped rossi either.

BarryMachine · May 20, 2012

xx CURVE xx said:
BM i know Stoners decision to walk has been hardest on you, you dont have to put on the brave face youre amongst friends here, brother Barry, if you need a shoulder to cry on im here for you bro.. its ok to let your feeling out, some times men do cry.. i love you man.

Another one

you guys just don't get it do you.

He's already done good enough for me.

Now I think, how bad would it be if something would happen to him for the rest of the season? ....... it would be fine by me if he quit today. Get it yet? I doubt it

chopperman · May 20, 2012

michaelm said:
I think rossi probably could have won the 2006 championship on the 2006 ducati, he is a vastly better rider than loris capirossi. I have strong doubts loris would have won even without the injuries, as a motogp rider he was always streaky. Given that mdubstylie has forbidden conjecture by stoner fans, in fairness it probably should apply to rossi fans as well though

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I don't think rossi would have won on the 2007 ducati, with stoner on one as well anyway, he doesn't like the engine characteristics of the current one. Of the people in the field john hopkins might have best suited it, but stoner would seem to be more consistent and less error prone than him when on sufficiently good equipment, although whether hopkins was ever on sufficiently good equipment is another question.

Don't think stoner on a 2007 or 2008 yamaha would have beaten a similarly equipped rossi either.

Well the original question was just a "what if". My point as you do seem to have grasped was if Loris could win and podium on the 07 duc you would have to think rossi could have won more on the same bike. Ducati seemed to fall apart in 08 and i think its far to say probably only stoner could win races on that bike but even he could not manage another championship on the ducati. Wasn't it a change from screamer to big bang that changed the bike ?

xx CURVE xx · May 20, 2012

BarryMachine said:
Another one

you guys just don't get it do you.

He's already done good enough for me.

Now I think, how bad would it be if something would happen to him for the rest of the season? ....... it would be fine by me if he quit today. Get it yet? I doubt it

come on big guy let it out..

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7CRY_0krxrg

Keshav · May 20, 2012

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Mylex must be really bored.

He's swatting at mosquitos.

It's a humble man who can publically acknowledge his standing in the intellectual food-chain.

Keshav · May 20, 2012

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Yes were all so dumb as to not understand the reference.

Since your claiming to be an enlightened one surely you wouldnt look down upon those who didnt benefit from a education in psychology.

You would never insult or gloat about your intellectual prowess.

You are one of the few that understand that IQ is genetic and not a learned skill.

You are open minded enough to understand that judging a person based upon the mental attributes they were born with is ignorant and prejudical

I know your above post was not written in a mocking tone, rather im sure you were decrying that others less fortunate as you, might not understand Lex's metaphor.

After all, you have stated your animosity for others who insult people in a childish manner.

Since weve come to the agreement that your post is positive in nature an not some sort of intellectual, high brow insult, then please show what an enlightened gentlemen would do when confronted with a situation in which those around him need assistance in comprehension.

Go ahead and explain to those "scratching their heads" what Lex was trying to say

kindo · May 20, 2012

Mick D said:
I dunno. Conversely, further down the line, wouldn't she feel extra special, loved and cared for, if dad decided that she, and her well-being, was more important to dad than his job (since the family already has enough dosh)?

Yeah I think that's a really great point too. Two ways of looking at it I guess!! (Maybe I've watched "17 Again" too many times...though I guess this isn't really the right forum to be admitting to that huh??

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michaelm · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Well the original question was just a "what if". My point as you do seem to have grasped was if Loris could win and podium on the 07 duc you would have to think rossi could have won more on the same bike. Ducati seemed to fall apart in 08 and i think its far to say probably only stoner could win races on that bike but even he could not manage another championship on the ducati. Wasn't it a change from screamer to big bang that changed the bike ?

The change to big bang was for the 2010 bike, and I think it or whatever else they changed did change the bike, to being inherently unstable rather than just difficult. If stoner had been able to win races on the 2011 bike, it would have been at the cost of a considerable number of dnfs as was the case in 2010.

Leaving the ongoing sniping on this thread aside, imo rossi, like marco melandri whom I and even barry machine thought would be a threat to stoner on a ducati 800 bike, would not have liked the 2007 ducati. He said from the getgo that he didn't like the engine characteristics of the 800 ducati, and that he couldn't replicate how casey rode the thing to make it go fast enough through the corners. 4 years younger and with a chance to win rather than dispute 5th or 6th may have been different, but we will never know.

The race loris won if you recall was a strange wet dry race where stoner only had to beat valentino to clinch the championship, and all he did for the whole race was try to keep valentino covered which he succeeded in doing. I don't even remember the other podiums, but I don't think loris ever threatened for the win and there were some races that year where the michelins didn't work at all well.

chopperman · May 20, 2012

michaelm said:
The change to big bang was for the 2010 bike, and I think it or whatever else they changed did change the bike, to being inherently unstable rather than just difficult. If stoner had been able to win races on the 2011 bike, it would have been at the cost of a considerable number of dnfs as was the case in 2010.

Leaving the ongoing sniping on this thread aside, imo rossi, like marco melandri who I and even barry machine thought would be a threat to stoner on a ducati 800 bike, would not have liked the 2007 ducati. He said from the getgo that he didn't like the engine characteristics of the 800 ducati, and that he couldn't replicate how casey rode the thing to make it go fast enough through the corners. 4 years younger and with a chance to win rather than dispute 5th or 6th may have been different, but we will never know.

The race loris won if you recall was a strange wet dry race where stoner only had to beat valentino to clinch the championship, and all he did for the whole race was try to keep valentino covered which he succeeded in doing. I don't even remember the 2 podiums, but I don't think loris ever threatened for the win and there were some races that year where the michelins didn't work at all well.

Im surprised you don't remember at least one of them

It was 3 podiums not including his win. 3rd in turkey, 2nd in germany and 2nd in Philip island.

michaelm · May 20, 2012

chopperman said:
Im surprised you don't remember at least one of them

It was 3 podiums not including his win. 3rd in turkey, 2nd in germany and 2nd in Philip island.

Yes, I have now looked it up, which I never do before posting (I edited my post to podiums before I saw your reply). I was going on something I read the other day which said loris had a win and three podiums in 2007, and assumed the win was one of the podiums which was obviously not the case. The motegi result was capirossi, de puniet (on a kawasaki), elias and guintoli on a dunlop shod tech trois yamaha, so I am not sure too many conclusions can be drawn from that race. Turkey was an obvious power circuit suited to the ducati where rossi may well have beaten capirossi but might have found beating stoner more difficult, and beating stoner at PI whatever he is on would seem rather difficult.

michaelm · May 20, 2012

BarryMachine said:
Another one

you guys just don't get it do you.

He's already done good enough for me.

Now I think, how bad would it be if something would happen to him for the rest of the season? ....... it would be fine by me if he quit today. Get it yet? I doubt it

Exactly my thought watching today's race. My concern was that he might crash rather than where he finished.

Mick D · May 20, 2012

kindo said:
Yeah I think that's a really great point too. Two ways of looking at it I guess!! (Maybe I've watched "17 Again" too many times...though I guess this isn't really the right forum to be admitting to that huh??

)

Its OK. Even most of the rabid dogs here don't bite girls!

Kropotkin · May 20, 2012

Stoner's interview with Australian TV before the Le Mans GP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpfX3zav-Io&feature=youtu.be

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Thanks Krop

lil red rocket pilot · May 20, 2012

Kropotkin said:
Stoner's interview with Australian TV before the Le Mans GP:

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Cheers Kropo

I dont really like Casey

But you still got to admire the man for making such a decision and the way he throws the bike around of course

cliche guevara · May 20, 2012

+1

what i can't get my head around though is that he says in 2009 he realized the paddock was a business and had nothing to do with passion

well what did you expect?!

i can certainly respect though that he does not want to be a part of this any longer, i'd rather retire from gp racing too before i lost my passion for bikes

speaking of pavlov, how ...... would it be if he kept going but everytime he heard a bike revving he'd be pissed and bored because he thought of media stuff subconciously

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