Stoner Retiring!

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Thats because your only weapon is an orb of confusion. It stuns and bewilders but rarely is lethal

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You see right through my stunning orbs of confusion, yet you feel the need to jump directly in their path. Who was bored, again?



On a more serious note, were you not taught about eustress and distress in health class? It is part of modern endocrinology and psychology.

Mental Anarchist said:

Maybe if Stoner had a username on a forum he could call himself Rider Anarchist!!!

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Maybe you are actually Casey Stoner hehe

kindo said:

Maybe I'm just thinking too much about that part of it, but I think he may have even done that a little deliberately, maybe to protect Alessandra somewhere down the line. I mean, when she's old enough to know who he was and what he did and looks up his retirement speech, to have him exclude her from the reasons why his quitting is a kindness. How horrible would you feel if you knew your existence was part of the reason that your dad gave up his "job"? That's a lot of weight to put on someones shoulders...

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I dunno. Conversely, further down the line, wouldn't she feel extra special, loved and cared for, if dad decided that she, and her well-being, was more important to dad than his job (since the family already has enough dosh)?

mylexicon said:

Everyone is susceptible to stress. Whether or not someone perseveres through a stressful career depends on the nature of stress. Is it good stress that releases endorphines and gives someone a sense of satisfaction? or is it bad stress from interpersonal conflict and institutional conflict that eats away at individual well-being? The psychological, physical, and emotional stimuli that sustained Stoner through the first six years of his MGP career have disappeared. He has an uncommon view of life and the world around him, which means his moods will ebb and flow differently than everyone else.



Pretty much everyone in the paddock is just money, wins, power, crumpet, and fame. Predictable. Under-35 male demographic, we never really grow out of it completely. Casey is obviously not motivated by money, wins, power or fame (he's got crumpet), which makes him uncontrollable.



When Pavlov rings the bell, Casey doesn't salivate. Is that weakness? If he only salivates for caviar, not dogfood, I'd say he is spoiled and weak. If he has no respect for Pavlov and the degredation of his fellow dogs, I'd not classify him as weak. Casey clearly functions according to the latter scenario, and the result is predictable: BAD DOG, CASEY! HOW DARE YOU NOT RESPOND TO OUR BUSINESS MODEL?!



Since everyone perceives him to be just another talented rider, and b/c they project their own attributes or conventional attributes on to him, their reasoning about him is suspect, from his alleged mental weakness to his alleged need for "caviar" technical regulations. Everyone should stop with the projection, and simply listen to the words coming out of his mouth. He hates the game. He feels it has become corrupt and dehumanizing. In 2013, when the GPC rings the bell, Casey will not show.

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Another good post.

Mick D said:

I dunno. Conversely, further down the line, wouldn't she feel extra special, loved and cared for, if dad decided that she, and her well-being, was more important to dad than his job (since the family already has enough dosh)?

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Yes. Especially when, in this profession, dad may not be around when she is 5, 10, whatever.



Its a pretty clear cut decision really.

michaelm said:

I think dorna themselves have actually tried to run it as a legitimate sport and fairly, they are just not very good at doing so, particularly within the limitations formerly imposed by the msma.

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I had to read this about 4 times to make sure I was not mis-interpreting what you wrote. I am unsure how you could come to such a conclusion considering Dorna are the ones who used brand Rossi to fill the stands for so many years at any cost to the legitimacy and fairness of the sport. Brought us the series of events that ended up with the control tyre, the recent weight increase at the 11th hour as well as the change of tyre after the season has started and bikes are developed. What about 4 Spanish races and 3 Italian ones. And finally the dumbing down and handicapping of the rules so even the average riders might be able to get to the front. Not much legitimacy there.

mylexicon said:

You see right through my stunning orbs of confusion, yet you feel the need to jump directly in their path. Who was bored, again?

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Somehow, poking a beehive with a stick never gets old for me.

On a more serious note, were you not taught about eustress and distress in health class? It is part of modern endocrinology and psychology.

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Your orb is working once again



I did understand your Pavlov reference.

What you were trying to say is that all dogs lick their balls because they can, but the proverbial wonder dog refuses to lick his balls even though he can. He resists the warmth of his tongue lapping across his taint even though it is infinitly pleasurable because he possesses free will and feels no need for warm balls, or conforming like the rest of the ball lappers.



I find the reference personally amusing (and blasphemous for a raised Catholic. A dog with free will? Thats poking Dogma with a stick)



The reason I find it amusing is that I believe the old adage that men are dogs. We humans do possess free will unlike other creatures who act only on instinct. As I watch the behavior of men I realize that we act mostly upon instinct and that we are not much different then dogs. Observe a ..... in heat around male dogs and compare that to a scantily clad woman that walks into a room full of men.

The results are similar yet more subtle for us 2 legged creatures.

You point out that we should respect and understand his reasons for retiring. But what are the reasons behind his reasons. We all use our own sensibilities and passions to try to understand. Most of us are so stupidly passionate about the sport we spend hours on the internet discussing it and cannot fathom why he would walk away.

The Aussies defend it because they are emulating their countries largest population, sheep. Their is not a critical thought amongst them.

I believe the reasons behind the reasons are what Jumkie said. Casey is an introvert. Its common knowledge that hes pretty reserved and has few friends in the paddock.

An introvert hates the limelight,hates being around too many people, hates having to deal with people,hates confrontation. An introvert has comfort zones, some are physical places, some are people.

Hes pushed his own boundaries perhaps his entire career. Im not saying his personality is requiring him to quit, rather that he has won enough to be content with his legacy to retreat to his comfort zone.

Im not saying I agree with his decision 100%.

Im ok with him quitting racing because he feels he has rounded off his career. I just dont think retreating into obscurity is the healthiest enviornment for an introvert, and I hope he finds some other way to continue to push his personal boundaries.

chopperman said:

Im on some neo bopper ignore list

how will i ever sleep tonight?



This forum has been one sided too long with you neo boppers flaming members who dare criticize stoner or not conform to your Rossi hatred.

Pushing your buttons is just way too easy

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Rebutting your arguments is even easier.

michaelm said:

Having had some education in psychology I would dispute such education is beneficial; it is largely a pseudoscience, imo.

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{Sorry for going off topic}



I'd disagree with that. It used to be when psychoanalysis ruled the roost, but with the advent of the biological/evolutionary/medical and the cognitive approaches, the field has definitely moved towards falsifiable hypothesis and stringent empirical testing. I would however admit that psychology does still lack coherence in theory and well defined basic research questions.

stiefel said:

{Sorry for going off topic}



I'd disagree with that. It used to be when psychoanalysis ruled the roost, but with the advent of the biological/evolutionary/medical and the cognitive approaches, the field has definitely moved towards falsifiable hypothesis and stringent empirical testing. I would however admit that psychology does still lack coherence in theory and well defined basic research questions.

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I believe in psychiatry and neurology. Just not psychology, particularly so-called clinical psychology, and the ridiculous nonsense propounded as modern management theory and by so called "human resources" experts/personnel managers/mismanagers. And yes I do have a reasonably informed perspective, which doesn't change this being my opinion only, and admittedly the formal education I and my siblings had in psychology which formed my views was decades ago.

Mental Anarchist said:

I had to read this about 4 times to make sure I was not mis-interpreting what you wrote. I am unsure how you could come to such a conclusion considering Dorna are the ones who used brand Rossi to fill the stands for so many years at any cost to the legitimacy and fairness of the sport. Brought us the series of events that ended up with the control tyre, the recent weight increase at the 11th hour as well as the change of tyre after the season has started and bikes are developed. What about 4 Spanish races and 3 Italian ones. And finally the dumbing down and handicapping of the rules so even the average riders might be able to get to the front. Not much legitimacy there.

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What a load o pish

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Somehow, poking a beehive with a stick never gets old for me.





Your orb is working once again



I did understand your Pavlov reference.

What you were trying to say is that all dogs lick their balls because they can, but the proverbial wonder dog refuses to lick his balls even though he can. He resists the warmth of his tongue lapping across his taint even though it is infinitly pleasurable because he possesses free will and feels no need for warm balls, or conforming like the rest of the ball lappers.



I find the reference personally amusing (and blasphemous for a raised Catholic. A dog with free will? Thats poking Dogma with a stick)



The reason I find it amusing is that I believe the old adage that men are dogs. We humans do possess free will unlike other creatures who act only on instinct. As I watch the behavior of men I realize that we act mostly upon instinct and that we are not much different then dogs. Observe a ..... in heat around male dogs and compare that to a scantily clad woman that walks into a room full of men.

The results are similar yet more subtle for us 2 legged creatures.

You point out that we should respect and understand his reasons for retiring. But what are the reasons behind his reasons. We all use our own sensibilities and passions to try to understand. Most of us are so stupidly passionate about the sport we spend hours on the internet discussing it and cannot fathom why he would walk away.

The Aussies defend it because they are emulating their countries largest population, sheep. Their is not a critical thought amongst them.

I believe the reasons behind the reasons are what Jumkie said. Casey is an introvert. Its common knowledge that hes pretty reserved and has few friends in the paddock.

An introvert hates the limelight,hates being around too many people, hates having to deal with people,hates confrontation. An introvert has comfort zones, some are physical places, some are people.

Hes pushed his own boundaries perhaps his entire career. Im not saying his personality is requiring him to quit, rather that he has won enough to be content with his legacy to retreat to his comfort zone.

Im not saying I agree with his decision 100%.

Im ok with him quitting racing because he feels he has rounded off his career. I just dont think retreating into obscurity is the healthiest enviornment for an introvert, and I hope he finds some other way to continue to push his personal boundaries.

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Psychobabble/cod psychology, whether or not you have a psychology PHD, compounded by invention. He seems to be quite good mates with cal crutchlow in particular and with colin edwards, and has cordial relationships with jorge and even dani . Perhaps you mean that he is not friends with valentino rossi.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

The Aussies defend it because they are emulating their countries largest population, sheep. Their is not a critical thought amongst them.

I believe the reasons behind the reasons are what Jumkie said.

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You believe the reasons behind the reasons are Jumkie said ruff ruff ruff, and all those who agree say baaaa baaaa baaaa in deep critical thought?

We skippy's are actually much cleavererer.........................

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I think the reason Casey doesn't like the CRT or Superbikes, is that they are easier bikes. The more difficult the bike, the most his talent shines. In current MotoGP he can still impose his supremacy and leave everybody behind, in Superbike (or in a probable upcoming "superbiked" MotoGP) he would have to scrap it out with several other riders on a regular basis. An easier formula would dilute his competitive edge, so one can understand he's not so enthusiastic about it.

michaelm said:

I believe in psychiatry and neurology. Just not psychology, particularly so-called clinical psychology, and the ridiculous nonsense propounded as modern management theory and by so called "human resources" experts/personell mangers/mismanagers. And yes I do have a reasonably informed perspective, which doesn't change this being my opinion only.

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It's a rather big leap from clinical psychology (which to my opinion very much follows the scientific method) to HRM (where I would wholeheartedly agree the lable 'pseudoscience' applies more often than not).



Fact is, clinical psychology deduces testable hypothesis from standing theories and applies quite rigorous empirical testing. The discipline as a whole has some problems (both in the good and the bad sense) but I would not agree with your opinion about it being pseudoscience.



HRM and what you call 'management theory'...well, let's just say I know more of it than I would like to. It's not all bad, there enough subdisciplines in the management field that use the scientific method. There is also a lot of post-modern, deconstructivist rubbish which I readily admit could be very well classified as pseudo-science.

I respect Casey Spencer's decision fully, he realises that he does not have the mental strength to keep competing at this level, and is going back to farm Four xxxx or Hogans or whatever the .... Kiwis do at home.





Who actually cares?

J4rn0 said:

I think the reason Casey doesn't like the CRT or Superbikes, is that they are easier bikes. The more difficult the bike, the most his talent shines. In current MotoGP he can still impose his supremacy and leave everybody behind, in Superbike (or in a probable upcoming "superbiked" MotoGP) he would have to scrap it out with several other riders on a regular basis. An easier formula would dilute his competitive edge, so one can understand he's not so enthusiastic about it.

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This is exactly what alan jones, the Australian F1 world champion said, self servingly or not, about driving touring cars as opposed to F1 cars. He destroyed the field in Australia driving a sportscar (admittedly with a fairly good car) after his retirement from F1, but did not have notable success when he dabbled in touring cars.



You have argued along these lines before, and I agreed with you then as I usually do. He excelled compared to others on a ducati much more than he has on the honda. I think agostini also likened him to hailwood in that respect as you had done previously.

birdman said:

You believe the reasons behind the reasons are Jumkie said ruff ruff ruff, and all those who agree say baaaa baaaa baaaa in deep critical thought?

We skippy's are actually much cleavererer.........................

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3HkUKoGoc4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3HkUKoGoc4[/media]

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Is it just me, or is this the dude playing bass at the start o this video?



Nice P Bass Berry

basspete said:

I respect Casey Spencer's decision fully, he realises that he does not have the mental strength to keep competing at this level, and is going back to farm Four xxxx or Hogans or whatever the .... Kiwis do at home.





Who actually cares?

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You would seem to, going by the number of posts you have made on this thread.

All 3?