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Stoner Retiring!
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For how long though? Surely Vale will be done in two seasons as well. Then we have a brand new MGP landscape.
Let's say "championship winning bike". Casey was superhuman on the Duc, but I believe 2007 was the only year that the Duc was capable of being a "championship winning bike" by 2008 Honda and Yamaha had gotten their collective .... together and although Casey could win races on it, championships were no longer in the cards...
You're still posting so I haven't managed to cull all of the annoying bloodsuckers quite yet.
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Well put!
Sadly, you just 'wooshed' two thirds of the forum.
Yes the reference to Pavlov and his pooch probably has a few members scratching their heads
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If that is the case, if Stoner wasn't riding it who could have won a championship on it? I will let you pick from any rider who has ever raced Motorcycles competitively.
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I have previously asked this question before (with no response I might add) but which other rider competing that year would have won a championship on the 2007 Duc?
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I reckon Rainey and Doohan had the skills to tame the red beast....purely speculative of course.
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You're still posting so I haven't managed to cull all of the annoying bloodsuckers quite yet.
Thats because your only weapon is an orb of confusion. It stuns and bewilders but rarely is lethal
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Maybe I didn't make my point... I'll try again.
No one other than Casey was capable to have won a championship on the 800cc Duc. The only year Casey won a championship was 2007, therefore (in rebuttal to Jum and others) there was one year that the Duc was a "winnable" (or capable of being a "championship winning bike"). If Casey couldn't win another on it no one could but in 2007 it was possible and he did.
Did I make that clearer or more obfuscated?
Right. But he went about it in a whiny way. Yes in the past Rossi has been able to get .... done. So maybe he should go to Rossi not as a friend but someone with common goals. They both want a safer motogp and lord knows Vale would like to see it be more competitive. Loris is the safety guy, what happened to him being able to get .... done? Casey should go to him. Bitching about the problem accomplishes nothing, this we all know for sure. So what has he done beside complain about the sport that has given him everything? Maybe he is the reason it is boring. I said maybe...But I can tell you this with no disrespect meant, the racing will probably be a lot closer next year without him.
This line of argument that it is what he said when he retired of which you disapprove is particularly amusing. You guys would have said exactly the same things if he was retiring to home nurse his ailing grandmother. How do I know this? Not having the attention span of a gnat, I remember the same things being said, mostly by pretty much the same people, when he first suggested that he might retire young, before he said any of what he said when making the recent announcement.
I will repeat a quote from stoner in this morning's sydney paper (it is in the murdoch press, so I can't really vouch for him having been correctly quoted):
" I made the decision this early in the season out of respect for honda.
If I had waited until the last race I could have left a lot of people embarrassed".
If I wished to get into your "great rider but..." paradigm (all you guys have got left btw , stoner with the assistance of the performance of a by most criteria even greater rider on the ducati having proven your years long and manifold criticisms of his actual riding to be entirely baseless) I could contrast him as far as petulance goes with that other rider, who is now in the process of slagging off a third factory team because things are going less than perfectly for him/he hasn't been shown the proper respect or whatever, whilst continuing to accept 15 million a year from them.
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Someone needs to crap on CRT, they are crap. They are poor mans Superbikes atm. The problem is not the CRT teams themeselves, its the un-imaginative bean counters in charge of motogp. Strict four cylinder rules are boring. Is a single one of them even a motorcycle enthusiast? Could've fooled me, they act like politicians. The solution to every problem is a stupid new rule.
I very rarely agree with Chopperman, but I have to admitt he was right about something. CRT would be much more interesting if they allowed turbo-charging and super-charging while they are at it. Also allow two strokes up to 1000cc. Then its one rule for all, they all must run under 21 Litres and 6 engines per year. Absolutely no confusion then , its a true prototype series.
Chopperman how would that work out? Turbo's chew through more fuel and wear faster I assume. Would a turbo 1000 and a pnuematic valve 1000 bassically end up with similar power because of the fuel limit and engine limits or is the turbo going to kill it? Also the two stroke would have to be around 600cc I assume, again due to the fuel, firing at twice the rate etc.
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Yes the reference to Pavlov and his pooch probably has a few members scratching their heads
Yes were all so dumb as to not understand the reference.
Since your claiming to be an enlightened one surely you wouldnt look down upon those who didnt benefit from a education in psychology.
You would never insult or gloat about your intellectual prowess.
You are one of the few that understand that IQ is genetic and not a learned skill.
You are open minded enough to understand that judging a person based upon the mental attributes they were born with is ignorant and prejudical
I know your above post was not written in a mocking tone, rather im sure you were decrying that others less fortunate as you, might not understand Lex's metaphor.
After all, you have stated your animosity for others who insult people in a childish manner.
Since weve come to the agreement that your post is positive in nature an not some sort of intellectual, high brow insult, then please show what an enlightened gentlemen would do when confronted with a situation in which those around him need assistance in comprehension.
Go ahead and explain to those "scratching their heads" what Lex was trying to say
No you obfuscated. Having a catholic upbringing I can liken your statement to the flawed theological argument (leaving aside the question of whether there is such a thing as an unflawed theological argument) that God isn't omnipotent because he/she can't make a weight so heavy that he /she can't lift it, the answer being that there is no such thing of course. So stoner can't win on a bike that can't win, naturally, nobody can. Imo he went about as close as it is possible to go by winning a championship on a ducati, and even more so by winning a race let alone races on the 2010 ducati.
I don't disagree, btw, that if you could ride it as stoner could the 2007 ducati was impossible for the other riders with their then current equipment to defeat no matter how well they rode; the point is that completely contrary to popular perceptions at the time the if about being able to ride a ducati like stoner could is one of the bigger ifs in gp bike racing history.
Having had some education in psychology I would dispute such education is beneficial; it is largely a pseudoscience, imo.
Maybe I'm just thinking too much about that part of it, but I think he may have even done that a little deliberately, maybe to protect Alessandra somewhere down the line. I mean, when she's old enough to know who he was and what he did and looks up his retirement speech, to have him exclude her from the reasons why his quitting is a kindness. How horrible would you feel if you knew your existence was part of the reason that your dad gave up his "job"? That's a lot of weight to put on someones shoulders...
Again, probably just thinking on it too much
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Congratulations...this maybe your first salient and intelligent respose....how about doing this more often as it would be appreciated.
PS Also please dont assume you were included amongst those to whom I was referring with the PD reference.....and dont make the mistake of confusing intelligence and education - they are mutually exclusive.
PPS And Lexs reference in a nutshell was...Casey is his own man and wont do what other people expect of him...which I must admit appeals to the anarchist in me.
Right. But he went about it in a whiny way. Yes in the past Rossi has been able to get .... done. So maybe he should go to Rossi not as a friend but someone with common goals. They both want a safer motogp and lord knows Vale would like to see it be more competitive. Loris is the safety guy, what happened to him being able to get .... done? Casey should go to him. Bitching about the problem accomplishes nothing, this we all know for sure. So what has he done beside complain about the sport that has given him everything? Maybe he is the reason it is boring. I said maybe...But I can tell you this with no disrespect meant, the racing will probably be a lot closer next year without him.
Dub, certainly on some occasions he did go about it in what could be perceived as a 'whiny' way, but at others he was asked a question and responded, andt hen others where he offered opinions outright with little provocation. The simple aspect is that people did not and do not listen and so, he stopped offering and now has decided to leave somewhere he does not want to be and somewhere he sees no future positive outcomes that he thinks he can enjoy, to me, no harm done.
With regards to him speaking with Rossi I suggest (with all respect) you look back to 2009/2010 where Stoner was reported to have tried to raise issues at safety commission meeting was ignored or failed to make his point whilst others seemed to be listened to with more open ears. No criticism of Rossi either in saying that.
Personally I suspect that the mutual antipathy between Rossi and Stoner would preclude their being able to work together anyway, and before the Neos and NeoNeos and AntI-Neos jump up and down, any issues would be the fault of Stoner as much as they would Rossi.
As for the last part, I hope you may be right but again it will all depend on silly season and the seat shuffle
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The problem with the whole argument is that bikes don't win championships, riders and teams do. It does not matter how good a bike is, if the rider/team is not capable of scoring enough points over 18 races the bike will not win. Take last year. Was the Yamaha a championship capable bike? Was the Honda? Was the Ducati? Was the Suzuki? In my opinion they all where and they all weren't.
Explanation. If Bautista and his team rode Stoner's Honda last year would he have won the championship? Of course not. What about if Stoner and his team had rode the Suzuki? I certainly would not lay my life on the line to back up a NO response but I would have had no problem staking my life on a NO in response to Bautista winning it on the Honda.
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Maybe if Stoner had a username on a forum he could call himself Rider Anarchist!!!
