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#22 said:
Wow, 22 pages on this subject and about 20 are utter .........



The fact is, love him or hate him. CS is a damn quick rider that has fallen out of love with the sport. He is perfectly entitled to his opinion, just as everyone here is. To my mind this thread should basically be about 2 points:



1. Wishing him well in his retirement

2. Enjoying the entertainment (good or bad) that CS has given to fans since 2006 or earlier.



Enjoy your retirement CS, if I had the money to retire from my job that i'd gotten fed up with at 26 and live on a farm i'd do it in a microsecond!
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Good post 22. We do get carried away. Chalk it up to the nature of a forum.
 
cryptmod said:
The only thing worth watching now is moto2 and moto3.
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So ......... does this mean you are "bailing" on Motogp??



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chopperman said:
I see the point your trying to make and have come to a conclusion. The exhaust fumes around New York are at a level where the residents really need to wear a filter mask. Save your brain buddy and move to the country.
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Been to London a few times and haven't forgotten the all-pervading smell of car exhaust. NY air is cleaner by far. Probably has something to do with the fact that our subway (and all other public transportation) runs 24 hours a day, unlike London where it shuts down at 11:00 pm.
 
chopperman said:
I don't think he would return to motogp.. Maybe try his hand at WSB but i get the feeling he will hang up his leathers for good. I think he loves riding but doesn't enjoy the life of a racer. Flying around the world all the time must get to you after a while especially if your a family man type of person. I use to drive trucks and would be away all week, sometimes longer. It's a ...... thing for a father missing his kids grow up.



While i understand it's his choice what he does with his own life. Jacking because of CRT's is a slap in the face for all working men who would love to be a motogp racer. Jacking because he wants to be a full time family man propels him to the very top of my respect ladder. just mho.
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Yeah, but I bet you miss all the trucker stop whores.



Anyway, that the one thing I wish Casey would have said in his retirement statement; that he was moving on to be with his family. Its the thing that bothered me long with crapping on CRTs (sorry 22, but we sit around here talking about unimportant ...., offering our opinions that run the spectrum, most of the time, just to hear ourselves say it). But Casey didn't say it, in fact, he said it had "nothing" to do with his daughter etc. and made a point of saying this to leave not doubt! I don't hate him for it, but he didn't do himself any favors. I get that he is an honest person, and I respect that about him, though sometimes he has been wrong about what he thought was an honesty assessment (Nicky/Shiverstone) while other times he has just been a bit too brutal (talking crap about the Indy for example). The thing is, Casey has been scrutinized far more than other riders who have also 'complained' about the same. (Neobops, read carefully what I said before you have a knee-jerk reaction to flame).
 
povol said:
Come to think of it, no rider or driver in the history of motor sport has ever won, on or in, something that cant win.
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He has won on something rossi can't win on though. I would have thought that amounted to the same thing if stoner's detractors on this thread are to be consistent..
 
320IDave said:
What a ....... smart ... you are,
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Totally disagree with you on this one.



Rog. is an arse, but a smart one!!!!????????



Not in any sense of the word!!! ( oh unless you mean "smart" as in "that smarts!" ie. pain ...... yes Rog. is a pain in the arse )



Maybe I do agree??
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BarryMachine said:
Oh and according to Rossi ......... Stoner has ........ repeatedly (annoying emoticons deleted)
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I actually agree with you now that I think about it. But I still don't like you.



EDIT: Barry, you're a ...., that's the only thing I agree on.





michaelm said:
He has won on something rossi can't win on though. I would have thought that amounted to the same thing if stoner's detractors on this thread are to be consistent..
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I hadn't go to the bottom of the thread, so I'll delete my agreement with BM, and shift it to you. I'd qualify the Duc as an unwinable bike.
 
Jum, he may have been wrong about Nicky at Silverstone (and I have not seen the incident so no comment), but I still say he was right when he told Nicky (via the press) to just get on the Ducati and ride it like he knew how.







For me, love or hate Stoner, everyone will miss him be it the riding or being the object of their own perverted warped ridicule.



As of season 2013 it will be interesting to see where the scorn is poured because we have many bitter and twisted people in forum lands around the world who mus be crying into their red cordial at having to think of another to focus their rage upon
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chopperman said:
Flying around the world all the time must get to you after a while especially if your a family man type of person. I use to drive trucks and would be away all week, sometimes longer. It's a ...... thing for a father missing his kids grow up.
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I have to agree with Rog. on this one.



I was, apparently, Rogers "tea lady", long hours on a flight half way round the world with everything back to front ( the tea would spin the other way up there!! ). And by the time I caught up with Rog. the tea was somewhat cold. If anyone thinks Rog. is chucking a spatty on here ..... you should try presenting with his cup of tea in Plon at 2 in the morning!!!



I would sit on the plane for hours with that cup of tea. I came to resent it. As I can not sleep well on planes i took to stirring the cup of tea ( I had already tried speedway, engineering, surfing, backing it in without brakes or gears ( how could that be so!!??!
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Now that I've retired I find I still have to stir something, and given my resentment of Rog. perhaps I do target him somewhat!.



But in the end its logocally ........ all Arabs fault!!
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Gaz said:
But Dub, Stoner has tried and tried, he has mentioned different aspects for years and yet he has been called a winging whinging little prat for it.



He has pushed the 'limit electronics' barrow, never wanted control tyres and has said he wants multiple, asked for an increase in fuel capacity, complained about astroturf on the outside of corners that he had felt was dangerous, stopped atteding some safety meetings because they were not listening etc. In short, he has mentioned many many things that he would olike to see changed but whenever he menions anything he is deemed in the pressand forums as whinging and for an example look no further than his retirment announcement ........................... he states he wants more competitve bikes for the likes of RdP but is whinging.



The obly rider in the paddock who DORNA will listen to is unfortunately at this point of the season involved in his own battle to get competitive again and while some will see that as an attack on Rossi, the simple truth is that if Rossi farts, DORNA listen as he is their current meal ticket. No, that does not say or insinusate that Rossi gets favoured but he is extremely powerful within the sport and if he speaks, they do listen.



Funny though, Rossi tweets about how boring racing has become and gets no criticism at all, yet another rider states that racing has changed and he has lost the enjoyment .............. and some react like he just ran over a puppy with a land rover.
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Right. But he went about it in a whiny way. Yes in the past Rossi has been able to get .... done. So maybe he should go to Rossi not as a friend but someone with common goals. They both want a safer motogp and lord knows Vale would like to see it be more competitive. Loris is the safety guy, what happened to him being able to get .... done? Casey should go to him. Bitching about the problem accomplishes nothing, this we all know for sure. So what has he done beside complain about the sport that has given him everything? Maybe he is the reason it is boring. I said maybe...But I can tell you this with no disrespect meant, the racing will probably be a lot closer next year without him.
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SuperShinya56 said:
Are you freakin' serious? You really think Stoner's main reason to retire his livelihood, paycheck.....is because little Randy and Colin Edwards didn't get a ride they deserve? WTF.



You really are blinded. He's just using CRT and Dorna as a scapegoat cuz the guy is mentally weak and can't handle the pressure anymore, whether it be from the media or the competition or both...... so the best way for him to leave with his pride intact is to quit while on top.



Valentino knew he should of quit, but now he's dragging himself along for 1 more good year so he can retire. NO ONE wants to retire when they are at the bottom........ it will always leave a bad taste in your mouth. You know how racing goes, you're only as good as your last race.



Stoner's a weakling and using excuses pointing fingers at other's for his retirement, that's how I see it anyways.
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Everyone is susceptible to stress. Whether or not someone perseveres through a stressful career depends on the nature of stress. Is it good stress that releases endorphines and gives someone a sense of satisfaction? or is it bad stress from interpersonal conflict and institutional conflict that eats away at individual well-being? The psychological, physical, and emotional stimuli that sustained Stoner through the first six years of his MGP career have disappeared. He has an uncommon view of life and the world around him, which means his moods will ebb and flow differently than everyone else.



Pretty much everyone in the paddock is just money, wins, power, crumpet, and fame. Predictable. Under-35 male demographic, we never really grow out of it completely. Casey is obviously not motivated by money, wins, power or fame (he's got crumpet), which makes him uncontrollable.



When Pavlov rings the bell, Casey doesn't salivate. Is that weakness? If he only salivates for caviar, not dogfood, I'd say he is spoiled and weak. If he has no respect for Pavlov and the degredation of his fellow dogs, I'd not classify him as weak. Casey clearly functions according to the latter scenario, and the result is predictable: BAD DOG, CASEY! HOW DARE YOU NOT RESPOND TO OUR BUSINESS MODEL?!



Since everyone perceives him to be just another talented rider, and b/c they project their own attributes or conventional attributes on to him, their reasoning about him is suspect, from his alleged mental weakness to his alleged need for "caviar" technical regulations. Everyone should stop with the projection, and simply listen to the words coming out of his mouth. He hates the game. He feels it has become corrupt and dehumanizing. In 2013, when the GPC rings the bell, Casey will not show.
 
mylexicon said:
Everyone is susceptible to stress. Whether or not someone perseveres through a stressful career depends on the nature of stress. Is it good stress that releases endorphines and gives someone a sense of satisfaction? or is it bad stress from interpersonal conflict and institutional conflict that eats away at individual well-being? The psychological, physical, and emotional stimuli that sustained Stoner through the first six years of his MGP career have disappeared. He has an uncommon view of life and the world around him, which means his moods will ebb and flow differently than everyone else. Pretty much everyone in the paddock is just money, wins, power, crumpet, and fame. Predictable. Under-35 male demographic, we never really grow out of it completely. Casey is obviously not motivated by money, wins, power or fame (he's got crumpet), which makes him uncontrollable. When Pavlov rings the bell, Casey doesn't salivate. Is that weakness? If he only salivates for caviar, not dogfood, I'd say he is spoiled and weak. If he has no respect for Pavlov and the degredation of his fellow dogs, I'd not classify him as weak. Casey clearly functions according to the latter scenario, and the result is predictable: BAD DOG, CASEY! HOW DARE YOU NOT RESPOND TO OUR BUSINESS MODEL?! Since everyone perceives him to be just another talented rider, and b/c they project their own attributes or conventional attributes on to him, their reasoning about him is suspect, from his alleged mental weakness to his alleged need for &quot;caviar&quot; technical regulations. Everyone should stop with the projection, and simply listen to the words coming out of his mouth. He hates the game. He feels it has become corrupt and dehumanizing. In 2013, when the GPC rings the bell, Casey will not show.
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Here here. Bloody good post.
 
In a way Stoners whole existence in MGP had underlying tones of what Lex. has said. No shock when he finishes then, surely
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mylexicon said:
Everyone is susceptible to stress. Whether or not someone perseveres through a stressful career depends on the nature of stress. Is it good stress that releases endorphines and gives someone a sense of satisfaction? or is it bad stress from interpersonal conflict and institutional conflict that eats away at individual well-being? The psychological, physical, and emotional stimuli that sustained Stoner through the first six years of his MGP career have disappeared. He has an uncommon view of life and the world around him, which means his moods will ebb and flow differently than everyone else.



Pretty much everyone in the paddock is just money, wins, power, crumpet, and fame. Predictable. Under-35 male demographic, we never really grow out of it completely. Casey is obviously not motivated by money, wins, power or fame (he's got crumpet), which makes him uncontrollable.





When Pavlov rings the bell, Casey doesn't salivate. Is that weakness? If he only salivates for caviar, not dogfood, I'd say he is spoiled and weak. If he has no respect for Pavlov and the degredation of his fellow dogs, I'd not classify him as weak. Casey clearly functions according to the latter scenario, and the result is predictable: BAD DOG, CASEY! HOW DARE YOU NOT RESPOND TO OUR BUSINESS MODEL?!



Since everyone perceives him to be just another talented rider, and b/c they project their own attributes or conventional attributes on to him, their reasoning about him is suspect, from his alleged mental weakness to his alleged need for &quot;caviar&quot; technical regulations. Everyone should stop with the projection, and simply listen to the words coming out of his mouth. He hates the game. He feels it has become corrupt and dehumanizing. In 2013, when the GPC rings the bell, Casey will not show.
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Mylex must be really bored.

He's swatting at mosquitos.



 

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