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Well, I was going to make a joke early on this thread, but I felt it was just to fresh a wound and thought I might be sought out and waterboarded...but, one can say, Casey has grown bored with MotoGP. Ah, the irony.



Jum, it is exactky what it is so say it and (from memory here) I recall a quote after the retirement announcement that used that very word a written quite so cannot verify it's accuracy), but it is bored.



Whilst some call it mentally weak, while other now want him to hang around and 'whinge' (my words) to DORNA to change things (and they will then complain of him sepaking out), to me the simplicity is that he is bored today by what has happened and does not want to be bored further by what he sees as the inevitable.



Everything Stoner said, and the body language he showed to me was in a word .............. bored.



He is bored by the direction of the sport, bored by lack of competetive machiner for people he feels are competitive riders, bored by the media circus, bored by the attention he gets (and does not seek), bored by the endless travel and time away from family, bored, bored, bored. It sounded to me that he was bored by it all and in need of a new challenge, thus he decided to remove what has bored him and yet we still see character assination by people who seem to have the 'ownership' complex that these sports people are there for us and to deny us the ability to see them is demeaning to us.



We do not own these people, nor do they own us and hwen they choose to stop should be celebrated for what they have given us, the enjoyment of their abilities on show and yes, even the enjoyment some get from mocking of the individual. When SToner leaves he leaves a hole not just for his fans but for his critics and haters, those that demean his ability and still look for excuses and those that character assasinate.



No wonder really that a person who does not seek the glorification nor seeks or understands the hatred leaves the sport really.



In Krops argument was a great line (and I paraphrase it) where Stoner says that he still enjoys riding bikes and wants to keep enjoying it, but that he does not want to retire in years ahead and not want to ride for enjoyment. Maybe a dig at people but to me an insight that I rather enjoyed reading as it still sounds like a kid in a candy store when it comes to wanting to ride and enjoy.



Call it stupid, but I do genuinely believe the sport has lost something, but will recover quickly from it and all the while Stoner will be sitting somewhere content with what he achieved in a sport and knowing that he has health, time to do another activity and most of all, a caring family.
 
Lex, I am quite sure that Stoner implied that Dorna pushing CRT's was a backwards step and one of the several reasons he gave for his retirement. He mentioned that some argue that GP racing started this way so it is nothing new. This is why he said it was moving backwards not forwards. GP/MotoGP developed past modified production bikes and he obviously feels that it should continue being 100% purpose built race bikes and engines and not modified production ones. I think he also implies or has at least stated in the past that he doesn't believe in rules that create parity which is clearly Dorna's agenda. His past comments in regards to not being interested in a GP series that was like Touring Cars are a clear example of this.



Casey was asked what he thought of the CRTs a while back and he said he might quit if he ever had to ride one. He's not in a position where he'll have to ride a CRT, yet he is retiring anyway. What does that indicate? Until Casey says, "I'm retiring b/c CRTs suck", there is no reason to keep reading it into his statements. Even Toby Moody couldn't help himself on the autosport.com piece, saying that "wrong direction" was clearly a reference to the CRTs. People have been backmarking on Dunlop-shod deadwood since Stoner joined. He wasn't boohooing.



Casey cited other things as "more than annoying" to him. He said the "balance had gone in the wrong direction". He said workers and riders don't get respected. He said people are crying about the racing. Those things are happening, and they are likely to continue getting worse. The accountants are probably going to sign resource restrictions and personnel regulations (don't know if they'll be made public) to slash costs. We know rev limits are on the way in 2014, and they will probably agree to some kind of ECU restrictions (or sensor restriction) and possibly a single bike rule. People will continue complaining about the racing b/c that is how the media companies acquire control. What they do with the new powers they acquire makes the difference between good sanctioning and NASCAR.



Want to know why worker respect, "balance", and whining are going to continue to get worse? B/c in Stoner's rookie season, something very important happened. The EU courts forced CVC to sell a controlling stake in the commercial rights of MotoGP to Bridgepoint Capital. Bridgepoint overpaid, and the value of their assets was impaired when Kawasaki and Suzuki basically breached contract with impunity b/c the contract was with the entire MSMA, not the individual manufacturers. MotoGP has taken the path of F1 (inadvertently). The Bridgepoint situation cannot be reversed, and the sport will not be returned to FIM control until the current contract expires sometime in the first half of the 2020's (can't remember the exact year).



Appreciate it now before it's gone, according to Casey. I'm not sure if he actually knows what that means or if he's just echoing the doom in the paddock. It means MotoGP has been oversold, exactly the same as F1, and the private equity people (not Dorna) are going to show up to ruin everyone's day.



Stoner is quitting b/c he is morally opposed to the idea that MotoGP engines should be made in quantities larger than 50? Casey Stoner is retiring b/c the sport is now run by business analysts at Bridgepoint, and the first battle in the 10-year war is coincidentally being fought over CRT? I'll take the latter.
 
Here's one to chuck out there. Is it possible that Casey is going through the same .... that drove Valentino away from Honda, ie, very little respect for his talents? Only difference being he quit the entire game, not just the manufacturer like vr did.
 
Here's one to chuck out there. Is it possible that Casey is going through the same .... that drove Valentino away from Honda, ie, very little respect for his talents? Only difference being he quit the entire game, not just the manufacturer like vr did.

MotoGP in it's entirety itself drove Casey away. Just like a kid saying and idolizing boxers or wrestlers and when he finally got on top. Faced the cruel side of reality behind the sport he loved. And he cant take it anymore. I'm pretty sure if the 800cc stayed then Casey would have more years to go though.



Those 800's to me are the best/fastest (not racing wise) machines to ever grace a circuit. These 1000s will eventually be to extreme for some certain circuits. Hence the lower laptimes and all that. Of course development will continue, will match the 800's. But then again, it only took 1 year for the Factories to figure out their machines and yep, we're gifted with beautiful races like Laguna '08, Philip Island '09, Motegi, and etc...Not so sure bout the 1000s with the impending rev limits, CRTS and all that .....
 
...., Rog, you're staring to sound just like Nino - stupidly simplistic and 100% wrong.



I'm probably one of Jum's 'NeoBoppers,' right? Well, I don't feel '......' in any way. I'll miss watching Stoner and will lament the decay of the series that he departure exemplifies, but I'm not going to sit around and piss and moan about it all. I'll keep watching, because I also enjoy watching J-Lo, Pie Dude, and all the others go at it. So long as there is decent racing, I'll enjoy watching. If/when the hardware becomes a steaming joke (I'm with Pov, and feel it's headed inexorably in that general direction), then I'll probably lose a great deal of interest.



I honestly think that people like you - instinctive 'joiners,' who latch onto a favorite personality to worship - simply cannot comprehend that others are not motivated by similar emotional needs. You see yourself losing interest when your Hero leaves the sport, and assume that all other MotoGP fans will do the same. Pull your finger out, please, us introverts don't work that way. As a general rule, we just aren't prone to developing (bizarre) emotional attachments and Hero Complex crushes with people we've never even met!



In short, you don't have a ....... clue why I watch, yet that doesn't stop you from leaping to some inane conclusion that "I'll be ......" without Stoner around. Yep, that's Nino-class logic at work...

Go .... yourself geoprick. Firstly who said my comment was aimed at you? As a matter of fact it wasn't, it was more aimed at the stoner27 type members.

Secondly, yopu say im a " instinctive 'joiners,' who latch onto a favorite personality to worship". Well who have i latched onto? ive supported this sport long before any of the current grid. Your only driven by rossi hatred. You were even slimy enough to latch onto a picture of rossi getting of a plane and saying he was laughing ar simos death. You piece of .... Geo, again, go fuick yourself.
 
Here's one to chuck out there. Is it possible that Casey is going through the same .... that drove Valentino away from Honda, ie, very little respect for his talents? Only difference being he quit the entire game, not just the manufacturer like vr did.



No.



Come on mate. Just look at the petty crap the likes of Rog. Talp, jum, Mdub. Goatboy, Pete etc. go on with. Imagine the .... he cops at the track each and every day he rides.



Some dipshit bopper even posted some absolute .... about the new baby on Stoners Twitter site, unbelievable that supposed hmans could do such a thing.
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Honda have been great to Stoner and he has already acknowledged that.
 
Go .... yourself geoprick. Firstly who said my comment was aimed at you? As a matter of fact it wasn't, it was more aimed at the stoner27 type members.

Secondly, yopu say im a " instinctive 'joiners,' who latch onto a favorite personality to worship". Well who have i latched onto? ive supported this sport long before any of the current grid. Your only driven by rossi hatred. You were even slimy enough to latch onto a picture of rossi getting of a plane and saying he was laughing ar simos death. You piece of .... Geo, again, go fuick yourself.



See Digger.



Bopperman you are a complete and utter .....
 
SOD, ur taking this too seriously dude.



In Chops defense, i took him to task on this tobacco point, he renounced being a Rossi fanboy here on this forum too. In fact, i think he was even rooting for Stoner at Laguna (no BS).



Yeah right because saying he isn't a Rossi fan on a forum really means he isn''t one. then he'll go on a rage and call people ........ for saying anything about Rossi he does not agree with.
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Go .... yourself geoprick. Firstly who said my comment was aimed at you? As a matter of fact it wasn't, it was more aimed at the stoner27 type members.

Secondly, yopu say im a " instinctive 'joiners,' who latch onto a favorite personality to worship". Well who have i latched onto? ive supported this sport long before any of the current grid. Your only driven by rossi hatred. You were even slimy enough to latch onto a picture of rossi getting of a plane and saying he was laughing ar simos death. You piece of .... Geo, again, go fuick yourself.





What a ....... smart ... you are,



I might get taken away by my feeling sometimes but at least i'm a humble person and i don't act like a frikkin smart ... like you, Mr chopper mafia wannabe king of powerslide. What a ....... joke of a person.



Someone help me out here, i can't find the ignore button anywhere.



Found it.
 
What a ....... smart ... you are,



I might get taken away by my feeling sometimes but at least i'm a humble person and i don't act like a frikkin smart ... like you, Mr chopper mafia wannabe king of powerslide. What a ....... joke of a person.



Someone help me out here, i can't find the ignore button anywhere.



Found it.



Umm he actually is the king of powerslide. Do I need to show you the pictures?
 
That Casey Stoner resignation speech in full:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9l_zAypP7Q



Administrators please delete Kro Pop O's post for not conforming with my opinion



What surprised me is learning the real reason he felt slighted by Ducat and decided to leave.

Turns out after they discovered that sugar in the candy he was eating was leading to the fatigue symptoms,his crew continued to chew non sugarless gum in front of him





The irony is he is supposedly retiring because all the restrictions he doesnt agree with but hes never said anything about the fact that he has only won on bikes that are so restricted that you cant ride around a track without 10 laptops hanging off them and a formula where only 3 factory bikes are capable of winning.(well maybe 2 )
 
Administrators please delete Kro Pop O's post for not conforming with my opinion



What surprised me is learning the real reason he felt slighted by Ducat and decided to leave.

Turns out after they discovered that sugar in the candy he was eating was leading to the fatigue symptoms,his crew continued to chew non sugarless gum in front of him





The irony is he is supposedly retiring because all the restrictions he doesnt agree with but hes never said anything about the fact that he has only won on bikes that are so restricted that you cant ride around a track without 10 laptops hanging off them and a formula where only 3 factory bikes are capable of winning.(well maybe 2 )



Very very true!

Never won on anything that cant win.



I would retire too..
 
Wow, 22 pages on this subject and about 20 are utter .........



The fact is, love him or hate him. CS is a damn quick rider that has fallen out of love with the sport. He is perfectly entitled to his opinion, just as everyone here is. To my mind this thread should basically be about 2 points:



1. Wishing him well in his retirement

2. Enjoying the entertainment (good or bad) that CS has given to fans since 2006 or earlier.



Enjoy your retirement CS, if I had the money to retire from my job that i'd gotten fed up with at 26 and live on a farm i'd do it in a microsecond!
 
Im on some neo bopper ignore list
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how will i ever sleep tonight?



This forum has been one sided too long with you neo boppers flaming members who dare criticize stoner or not conform to your Rossi hatred.

Pushing your buttons is just way too easy
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