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Willski said:
Yeh, he even too the #46 sticker off his big yellow suitcase for laguna
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The suitcases belong to Bonnie who is still allowed to be a Rossi fan.
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Jumkie said:
Scotty, you make BM sound almost human.
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Hahahaa… Mr 'Jumkie' …BM??? What the f__K is BM??? But anyway I stick by what I say and I’ve been there and done it ALL …and as Bazza Sheen said in 2003 when he promoted Casey Stoner and these were his words and this was a 250cc race at ‘Eastern Creek’ when Stoner could have won the W/C and he said that this boy will be a ‘World Champion’ and a legend!!! He was absolutely right nd what a rider, lgend Casey Stoner turned out to be!!!
 
Scotty said:
Hahahaa… Mr 'Jumkie' …BM??? What the f__K is BM??? But anyway I stick by what I say and I’ve been there and done it ALL …and as Bazza Sheen said in 2003 when he promoted Casey Stoner and these were his words and this was a 250cc race at ‘Eastern Creek’ when Stoner could have won the W/C and he said that this boy will be a ‘World Champion’ and a legend!!! He was absolutely right nd what a rider, lgend Casey Stoner turned out to be!!!
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Yeh, there ya go Mr Jumkissass. Stoner's a legend
 
povol said:
I dont get why some people dont understand his disdain for CRT's as a main reason for him to retire. Or they do understand , but it goes against their stance on CRT's, so they dont accept it as a reason to retire.
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They don't get it b/c Stoner didn't say he is retiring due to the CRTs, and he didn't imply it. He said it was bs that Colin and Randy (emphasis on the riders, not the machines) should have to ride CRTs b/c Dorna, IRTA, MSMA, and the sponsors (more people) are too lazy to put bikes together for them. Stoner doesn't like the exploitation of their talent to push a Dorna agenda. The technology is circumstantial, as is the material used to create the CRTs and the nature of their construction (full prototype vs. production engine prototype). The rant is against the GPC institution, who are not respectful of the workers, according to Stoner. He doesn't want these autocrats telling him what to ride or telling his crew what to build. Stoner would never have to ride a CRT. Clearly he is concerned with the forces that spawned CRT bikes, not the bikes themselves.
 
After reading about Joan Lascorz not being able to feel his legs and only just being able to breathe himself I fully appreciate Stoner's decision.



Completely irrespective of reason.



I can only hope that all the other racers, Lorenzo, Rossi etc get to retire at the time of their choosing in 100% heath.

Doohan didn't. After the racing career Doohan had he desereved too.



They all deserve what Stoner has been able to do. Retire healthy.
 
mylexicon said:
povol' timestamp='1337368637' post='315939 said:
I dont get why some people dont understand his disdain for CRT's as a main reason for him to retire. Or they do understand , but it goes against their stance on CRT's, so they dont accept it as a reason to retire.
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They don't get it b/c Stoner didn't say he is retiring due to the CRTs, and he didn't imply it. He said it was bs that Colin and Randy (emphasis on the riders, not the machines) should have to ride CRTs b/c Dorna, IRTA, MSMA, and the sponsors (more people) are too lazy to put bikes together for them. Stoner doesn't like the exploitation of their talent to push a Dorna agenda. The technology is circumstantial, as is the material used to create the CRTs and the nature of their construction (full prototype vs. production engine prototype). The rant is against the GPC institution, who are not respectful of the workers, according to Stoner. He doesn't want these autocrats telling him what to ride or telling his crew what to build. Stoner would never have to ride a CRT. Clearly he is concerned with the forces that spawned CRT bikes, not the bikes themselves.
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1. What a strange position you have put Pov in. Pov admits (finally) that Stoner is retiring in part because he disagrees with the CRTs formula as a way of vindicating himself for his own misplaced disdain for the formula, but you say Casey implied no such thing. I wonder where Pov will go with this, as Pov desperately wants to hold on to some phantom coat-tail of pseudo-credibility that since Stoner said it, and Pov echoes the same thing then somehow Stoner has in effect endorsed Pov's disdain for CRTs (well at least in the mind of Pov). So will he disagree with your assessment while trying to agree with your more lofty interpretation that Stoner is really just a union organizer without the want to organize a union? You know, for the benefit of the "workers" and all. Maybe Stoner is a socialist, wanting to spread the wealth of parity.



2. Pov's contention is that CRTs are a "backward step" (Casey's words, so I don't know where you Lex get that Casey did not 'imply' as part of his retirement decision, but I'm willing to overlook it, as you have said something more inline with my agenda, which is, to get Pov to understand the arbitrary nature of machine creation, the bikes, under man made rules). So then, how will Pov respond here? Lex says that bikes and the sum of all their parts and technology are simply "circumstantial" to the rules (which I agree) yet Pov believes they are somehow more purely "prototype" than the CRT creations, though he has yet to explain why?





I think I know what Pov will do, he will choose not to tackle these two points above, because he has not the mental capacity to defend his positions logically. Oh well, I suppose pointing this out is half the fun.
 
mylexicon said:
They don't get it b/c Stoner didn't say he is retiring due to the CRTs, and he didn't imply it. He said it was bs that Colin and Randy (emphasis on the riders, not the machines) should have to ride CRTs b/c Dorna, IRTA, MSMA, and the sponsors (more people) are too lazy to put bikes together for them. Stoner doesn't like the exploitation of their talent to push a Dorna agenda. The technology is circumstantial, as is the material used to create the CRTs and the nature of their construction (full prototype vs. production engine prototype). The rant is against the GPC institution, who are not respectful of the workers, according to Stoner. He doesn't want these autocrats telling him what to ride or telling his crew what to build. Stoner would never have to ride a CRT. Clearly he is concerned with the forces that spawned CRT bikes, not the bikes themselves.
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Lex, I am quite sure that Stoner implied that Dorna pushing CRT's was a backwards step and one of the several reasons he gave for his retirement. He mentioned that some argue that GP racing started this way so it is nothing new. This is why he said it was moving backwards not forwards. GP/MotoGP developed past modified production bikes and he obviously feels that it should continue being 100% purpose built race bikes and engines and not modified production ones. I think he also implies or has at least stated in the past that he doesn't believe in rules that create parity which is clearly Dorna's agenda. His past comments in regards to not being interested in a GP series that was like Touring Cars are a clear example of this.
 
What is his view on v8 super cars then I wonder. Rules a plenty there to create a more level playing field.
 
Quite a lot in the sporting pages of the sydney morning press today.



Apparently he told the V8 supercar guys when testing with them last year that he was sick of it and thinking of retiring, and also told mick doohan this when mick had him at his house post the 2011 season. Mick is apparently still hopeful he will change his mind and be inveigled back by honda, but I personally would go with son of doohan's take on this rather than that of doohan himself. Stoner is also quoted as saying that the decision he rescinded not to go to japan last year was an emotional one based on his emotions concerning his wife's pregnancy.



The recurring theme was that he is sick of the travel, sick of being away from Australia, and wants to bring his daughter up in Australia. Interestingly he also apparently objects to being spat on/at by foreign fans. Whilst obviously confirming his mental weakness, in that being spat upon by any motogp fan, casual or otherwise, for being better than the rider of that fan's preference is clearly part of his job, this led to me draw a perhaps absurd implication. I believe that what I had previously thought impossible, that there is a mentally weak englishman in the world, may be the case. As I recall being spat on by foreign fans is why dave gilmour gave up touring with Pink Floyd at the height of their success/fame, and this was part of the inspiration for the whole "The Wall" thing. In doing this gilmour doubtless also outraged johnny knockdown's working class sensibilities, since it likely involved him forgoing hundreds of millions of dollars and not just tens of millions.



There was considerable speculation that stoner would race V8 supercars (god alone knows why he would want to) next year, and might put up the money to run a 3rd car along with the 2 regular cars of the most successful team, concerning which that team has been resolute in making no comment. Stoner was quoted as saying something vaguely witty for such a humourless person, to the effect that since he didn't know what he was doing next year he strongly doubted anyone else did.
 
Mr Squiggle said:
.... V8 Supercars - he should go to F1 instead just to upstage Rossi once again
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Great idea which had also occurred to me, but this obviously would also involve the travel and major promotional work he apparently so hates.
 
michaelm said:
Quite a lot in the sporting pages of the sydney morning press today.



Apparently he told the V8 supercar guys when testing with them last year that he was sick of it and thinking of retiring, and also told mick doohan this when mick had him at his house post the 2011 season. Mick is apparently still hopeful he will change his mind and be inveigled back by honda, but I personally would go with son of doohan's take on this rather than mick's. Stoner is also quoted as saying that the decision he rescinded not to go to japan last year was an emotional one based on his emotions concerning his wife's pregnancy.



The recurring theme was that he is sick of the travel, sick of being away from Australia, and wants to bring his daughter up in Australia. Interestingly he also apparently objects to being spat on/at by foreign fans. Whilst obviously confirming his mental weakness, in that being spat upon by any motogp fan, casual or otherwise, for being better than the rider of that fan's preference is clearly part of his job, this led to me draw a perhaps absurd implication. I believe that what I had previously thought impossible, that there is a mentally weak englishman in the world, may be the case. As I recall being spat on by foreign fans is why dave gilmour gave up touring with Pink Floyd at the height of their success/fame, and this was part of the inspiration for the whole "The Wall" thing. In doing this he doubtless also outraged johnny knockdown's working class sensibilities, since this likely involved him forgoing hundreds of millions of dollars and not just tens of millions.



There was considerable speculation that stoner would race V8 supercars (god alone knows why he would want to) next year, and might put up the money to run a 3rd car along with the 2 regular cars of the most successful team, concerning which that team has been resolute in making no comment. Stoner was quoted as saying something vaguely witty for such a humourless person, to the effect that since he didn't know what he was doing next year he strongly doubted anyone else did.
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Possibly your most sardonic post yet...



Cant personally understand his interest in V8s - I would rather watch paint dry than endure that brand of motorsports entertainment.....Bathurst being the only exception
 
michaelm said:
Great idea which had also occurred to me, but this obviously would also involve the travel and major promotional work he apparently so hates.
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He has already proved handy against the f1 guys in ice karts having beaten Massa et al in the Vroom Ducati event races....he obviously has some skills in these areas but I doubt he would, as you say, look forward to the constant grind which another high profile series would entail...
 
Geonerd said:
...., Rog, you're staring to sound just like Nino - stupidly simplistic and 100% wrong.



I'm probably one of Jum's 'NeoBoppers,' right? Well, I don't feel '......' in any way. I'll miss watching Stoner and will lament the decay of the series that he departure exemplifies, but I'm not going to sit around and piss and moan about it all. I'll keep watching, because I also enjoy watching J-Lo, Pie Dude, and all the others go at it. So long as there is decent racing, I'll enjoy watching. If/when the hardware becomes a steaming joke (I'm with Pov, and feel it's headed inexorably in that general direction), then I'll probably lose a great deal of interest.



I honestly think that people like you - instinctive 'joiners,' who latch onto a favorite personality to worship - simply cannot comprehend that others are not motivated by similar emotional needs. You see yourself losing interest when your Hero leaves the sport, and assume that all other MotoGP fans will do the same. Pull your finger out, please, us introverts don't work that way. As a general rule, we just aren't prone to developing (bizarre) emotional attachments and Hero Complex crushes with people we've never even met!



In short, you don't have a ....... clue why I watch, yet that doesn't stop you from leaping to some inane conclusion that "I'll be ......" without Stoner around. Yep, that's Nino-class logic at work...
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What I am waiting for is the immediate rehabilitation of the currently demonic honda and /or yamaha if (or when) valentino lands back on a honda or yamaha factory bike next year.



I'll be supporting cal next year, btw, and hoping ben spies whom I enjoyed watching in wsbk so much will come good.
 

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