Stoner may be facing sanctions from the FIM

chopperman said:

Go for it. I reckon you should try going for the Inland Taipan

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haha good one Rog. ..... never actually seen one ( in the wild ) I think, but something tells me they would not take a fly, they are somewhat shy from what I hear. Unlike some of the snakes round my way ....... they are downright inquisitive ...... which is spooky. One of them was so agro he was flattened out like a cobra and coming at me when I tried the usual stomping of feet to scare him off. Had to start the bike to get him to back off, haven't seen a snake yet that likes the thump of a big bore 4 stroke single, which is a plus you never hear of with 4 strokes ( Edit: actually they didn't like 2 strokes as well when I think back ...... so there goes the 4 stroke plus )

BarryMachine said:

haha good one Rog. ..... never actually seen one ( in the wild ) I think, but something tells me they would not take a fly, they are somewhat shy from what I hear. Unlike some of the snakes round my way ....... they are downright inquisitive ...... which is spooky. One of them was so agro he was flattened out like a cobra and coming at me when I tried the usual stomping of feet to scare him off. Had to start the bike to get him to back off, haven't seen a snake yet that likes the thump of a big bore 4 stroke single, which is a plus you never hear of with 4 strokes

( Edit: actually they didn't like 2 strokes as well when I think back ...... so there goes the 4 stroke plus )

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Nor do my riding buddies. Over the years, i have used the trench digging torque of my XR650R to hurl anything and everything at my buddies who ride behind me, especially the ones on 4 wheelers.. Rocks and dirt clods the size of your fist, and yes, snakes. Nothing funnier than looking back to see you buddy bailing off his 4 wheeler once he realizes he has a copperhead sitting in his lap. One well timed blip of the throttle will send a snake perfectly into his chest.

Very Andrew Symonds-esque if it's played out as per speculation. Can't say I would blame wither of them.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

That mole can life a long, happy,fufilling, life now that it got its cancer cut off

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ROFL! I LOVE YOU! SERIOUSLY MAN! LYING FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR! Youre sooo right!

BarryMachine said:

Imagine such a place!! ....... Utopia it would be

The first day I met my neighbor there she warned me of the snakes. She keeps a cleared area, handy for chopper evac., cos as she said its two hours minimum to the first chance of treatment. Mind you her dog has been "hit" three times and is still alive ( also I think a vet is nearer than the nearest medico ...... note to self .... see vet if hit by snake ) ....... not a clever dog with snakes, it would seem. But she also rewarded me with the news that there are no funnel webs ( seems odd to me, cos my last place was funnel web central ) and no paralysis tics!! ( surrounded by enough native forest that they have not made it into the valley yet ) whoohooo!! At least I tend to see snakes.

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Most snake bites are dry bites, its just you only really hear of the poor sods that got venomated. Snakes dont want to waste venom on something not considered food by the snake. If a snake wastes venom it doesn't get to eat.

So dont be scared berry, go play with the snakes .



As for stoner, that mole was taking over his face. It wasn't long before his crash helmet wouldn't fit over that second head he was growing.

Just where is the Stoner ranch?



Dogs seem to do fairly well with snake bites. I think after battling each other for millions of years, the mutts have developed some level of resistance. A friend has a pug (possibly the stupidest dog you've ever met) who was dumb enough to get bitten repeatedly by a big rattler. There was moderate swelling whereever the snake scored, and the dog was a bit listless for a few days, but he pulled through just fine with very little medical treatment and suffered no lasting damage.



Humans don't do so well, and are even dumber than the dogs in that they tend to pick up or otherwise torment the snakes. Here in Aridzona, most of the news stories I can remember depict some dude in the hospital with his arm swollen to the size of a watermelon. One site I found claims that only 7% of all snakebites are purely accidental.



From http://srel.uga.edu/...oview020909.htm

[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The copperhead bite was more typical of U.S. venomous snakebites: an illegitimate one to the hand of a male in his mid20s, and requiring minimal medical attention. When someone sees a snake and then tries to catch, kill, or otherwise interact with it, the bite is illegitimate. Hospital records show that many, perhaps most, snakebite victims got too close in an attempt to kill the snake or actually picked up the animal. In such instances, the blame does not lie with the snake. The simple fact is that most U.S. snakebites are to the hands or arms of young adult males. Apparently some snakes are easily annoyed by testosterone. [/font]

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Faaaahk!



Here are some Freaking Gruesome (Rattle)Snakebite pics. "Kids, stop playing with the ....... snakes!"



http://www.rattlesnakebite.org/rattlesnakepics.htm

Geo Nerd said:

Faaaahk!



Here are some Freaking Gruesome (Rattle)Snakebite pics. "Kids, stop playing with the ....... snakes!"



http://www.rattlesna...lesnakepics.htm

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Rattle snakes, copperheads and most vipers are Hemotoxic. The toxin starts to digest you before you have been eaten. You can get bitten on the finger and your leg falls off. The good thing about Rattlesnakes is they rattle to warn you unlike puff adders. Only a moron doesnt head the warning the snake was nice enough to oblige you with.

Geo Nerd said:

Faaaahk!



Here are some Freaking Gruesome (Rattle)Snakebite pics. "Kids, stop playing with the ....... snakes!"



http://www.rattlesna...lesnakepics.htm

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I hate snakes. My least favorite thing about AZ. I seen very few while I was there. I was most worried about them riding or hiking in the mountains, but I came across the most on road(pedal)bike rides.

You know it's the off season when...

Maybe there is a good reason............



http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Dec/111207stonenotfim.htm

Geo Nerd said:

Just where is the Stoner ranch?



Dogs seem to do fairly well with snake bites. I think after battling each other for millions of years, the mutts have developed some level of resistance. A friend has a pug (possibly the stupidest dog you've ever met) who was dumb enough to get bitten repeatedly by a big rattler. There was moderate swelling whereever the snake scored, and the dog was a bit listless for a few days, but he pulled through just fine with very little medical treatment and suffered no lasting damage.



Humans don't do so well, and are even dumber than the dogs in that they tend to pick up or otherwise torment the snakes. Here in Aridzona, most of the news stories I can remember depict some dude in the hospital with his arm swollen to the size of a watermelon. One site I found claims that only 7% of all snakebites are purely accidental.



From http://srel.uga.edu/...oview020909.htm

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Not really. Here in Aus, a lot get killed.



I treated a guys dog with antivenene( and fluids etc) on 2 occasions and it survived. When bitten a 3rd time, the owner mistakenly thought the dog had immunity and did not get it treated. It died.



A bad error of judgement.



My wife works in an area with high incidence of paralysis tick poisoning. Although the antiserum is produced from hyper-immune dogs, dogs that have been poisoned, and treated on numerous occasions over the years , still suffer symptoms and will die without treatment.



It is best not to become complacent.

chopperman said:

Rattle snakes, copperheads and most vipers are Hemotoxic. The toxin starts to digest you before you have been eaten. You can get bitten on the finger and your leg falls off. The good thing about Rattlesnakes is they rattle to warn you unlike puff adders. Only a moron doesnt head the warning the snake was nice enough to oblige you with.

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Snake venoms are either neurotoxic, haemolytic or cytotoxic, or a combination; and all are generally coagulant..



I am not familiar with viperene snakes, which apparently are strongly cytotoxic (tissue destruction) at the bite site. A good story Rog about the leg falling off, but in reality that is unlikely as cytotoxicity is local. Maybe if there is haemorrhage, haemolysis and shock, peripheral gangrene could occur, but certainly no "digestion" from the inside.



Good story though Rog......................

Sorry the pooch died.

I'd guess that domestic dogs presumably come from Europe and NA, where neurotoxic snakes are rare. Stories of dogs surviving rattler bites without serious issue are common.



...., I've never even heard of those killer ticks 'til now. As if Lyme isn't bad enough, now they paralyze and kill you? Damn!

MdubSTYLIE said:

I hate snakes. My least favorite thing about AZ. I seen very few while I was there. I was most worried about them riding or hiking in the mountains, but I came across the most on road(pedal)bike rides.

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After hiking in the desert for a while you get so the snakes aren't a huge worry. Be aware and LOOK before stepping or reaching and you'll be fine. Still, it's always a little 'stimulating' when you're hiking along on a trail and suddenly notice one 10 feet ahead. (Never step on a patch of ground you haven't visually inspected!)



I'm FAR more afraid of the Giant ....... Wasps that occasionally buzz you. They sound like Hell's Hummingbirds and their sting is one of the most painful of any insect. Fortunately they are not terribly aggressive, although I understand they will defend their food source. When milkweed is in bloom, you can find dozens of them on a single plant. Nightmare Central.



Got bumped by killer bees once. If the hive is feeling comparatively happy, they'll send a dozen or so bees to bounce into you as a warning. This gives you a few seconds to retreat before they switch their tiny brains to 'Kill' and invite the other 30,000 to the party.



What's scary is that all this sounds like Bunnys and Kittens compared to the critters in Australia.

Geo Nerd said:

What's scary is that all this sounds like Bunnys and Kittens compared to the critters in Australia.

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Please don,t group me with kittens. Fully grown ....... are ok though.

Aus is the true motherload of poison but I had a border collie type dog which was, apparently, part mongoose and loved to hunt and kill snakes. I can't find the photo I was looking for (backed up on a drive I can't find...LOL) of her cornering a 3+ metre king cobra under our deck/porch but here's one of her goading a young regular cobra into striking... when it strikes it needs a moment to regain its attack stance and that is when she'd move in and kill.

Thank you guys from the Australian anti chamber of commerce. My tickets to Oz are now on ebay. CHEAP.

We have these awful Bufo Toads here. Just like everything bad in nature, there not indigenous to the region. Thank Mick D. They come from your hood.

There big fat and ugly. If you pick one up or bite one they secrete poison that kills most dogs within a half hour.

Theres not a person here who doesnt know someone who lost a dog from them. I rushed my neighbors Yorkie to the er clinic 20 minutes from me. Poor Pookie was DOA.

My male daschund is a dumb ... and bites about ten a year. The telltale signs is foaming of the mouth. When you see that the clock is ticking.

He bit one good a few years back and by the time I got him to the ER he wasnt moving. 24 hours and 2 grand later we had our dog back alive.

By all accounts we were lucky. These liitle evils drop full grown labradors. Hounds are some stubborn ... dogs and I think that is what kept him alive

A year later he bit another one and was foaming good and we rushed him to the ER. By the time we got there he seemed ok but I wasnt sure. The vet came out to take him inside. I told him when I see him keel over on the lobby floor I will then hand him over the counter but not before. I was not going to spend another 2 grand for nothing. Sure enough I sat in the lobby for an hour and he was ok. Cheapest vet visit ever

The vet says dogs dont develop an immunity to the poison but after that bad episode he hardly ever foams when he bites one.

I swear hes developed an immunity

They can and do develop an immunity. Its just that it may not be strong enough or last long enough. Its a bit like playing russian roulette. Antivenene/ antiserum is like taking out insurance. If you feel that your pet is not of value to you.........then wait it out and see if the bullet is in the chamber...................................

Mick D said:

Aus is the true motherload of poison but I had a border collie type dog which was, apparently, part mongoose and loved to hunt and kill snakes. I can't find the photo I was looking for (backed up on a drive I can't find...LOL) of her cornering a 3+ metre king cobra under our deck/porch but here's one of her goading a young regular cobra into striking... when it strikes it needs a moment to regain its attack stance and that is when she'd move in and kill.

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Those dogs are gold!!



I had a red cattle who was death to all snakes from the day we got her as a pup. She was so good to have around with babies in the house. When she was a tiny pup I walked past her outside and she was lying on her belly wrenching at licorice straps ........... licorice straps!!??? I thought ..... I went back and found that the licorice straps were about 8 baby black snakes she had got into and was sitting there and stripping the skin off each one and eating them. She was a dopey dog but gee she was magic with snakes.