Stoner is coming back with Ducati = for testing

Jumkie said:

And the fact that while Stoner was Honda's test rider, he developed a bike that won two championships!

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This is what is completely missed by those trying to use the argument that it was his fault the Ducati got worse because of him.

The Honda started winning as soon as he touched it.

It's going to be really interesting to see what happens to the RCV now without CS to give input on it. I don't know if MM is at a point yet where he can really help develop the bike. I like Dani, but has he contributed a great deal to the development of the bike since 2006?

Can't wait to hear what Rossi would think if he wildcarded

"For me I think Casey join Ducati and arrive at the maximum because he doesn't want me to win the championship" - Valentino "Conspiracy Doctor" Rossi

I'm already thinking about buying a ticket for Phillip Island next year with the hopes that CS wild cards there.

Hi guys, I see Pedro is out with arm pump surgery, I'd like to step in and race for him. No point in letting your bike sit in the garage. Plus this would be a major boom for marketing your brand and sponsors, and would be a major ratings tick for MotoGP and the entire sport. And I'll do it next to nothing. Plus think about how I could improve your bike after riding it in real race conditions, hell what I discover might even save Marc's championship this year. Since its so early in the season. What do u guys think?

No Casey, we don't want all those benefits. Marc might be embarrassed and Carmelo doesn't want anybody examining why you left in the first place.

(Cue up Marc's 6 DNFs, Rossi throwing Honda under bus, Dorna playing favorites with Rossi).


Ah I see, so you don't want me to ride for nothing, retain the best test rider ever, and shield you from what, in highsight happened, your brand and rider now perceived as cheats? Ok, don't bother offering me millions to renew my contract, I'm going to the worst factory in GP because that's what I'm about, not hanging around this political entrenched .........

Hi Ducati, would you appreciate me as a test rider?

YES! And let's just be clear, you can take wildcards if you like. We will put that on the table right now Casey, a month before we even sign you!

HRC refusing to run him when he offered was inexplicable.

It was the equivalent of someone offering you free money with no strings attached for debt payoffs, and you saying, "Nah, I might be in debt, and while this would bail me out, I'd rather sit in debt."

The upside for letting him run a few races I believe would have helped Honda's season enough, that they could have won the constructor's title. There was enough time to get things sorted out, and instead they pissed away numerous point to field Aoyama.

Honda did pretty much everything they could to chase Casey away between the MotoGP stuff and the 8 Hours of Suzuka debacle. If I were them, I'd be concerned especially since a guy like that is going to be looking to stick a knife in their neck quietly.

I bet he wild cards, but does it strategically so as to potentially ruin others championships.

HRC did the right thing by not letting Casey wildcard. Marc is a title contender that was in need of points. Putting Casey on the bike had the potential of taking points away from him. Its nothing more than that. If by some crazy chance Iannone is in the championship hunt next season I would expect Ducati to do the same. I guess then he will storm off and become a joy rider for suzuki or some ..... Test rider. Mhm.

Jumkie said:

And the fact that while Stoner was Honda's test rider, he developed a bike that won two championships!

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How many times did he test that bike?

MdubSTYLIE said:

How many times did he test that bike?

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Doesn't matter. Its the standard used to prop VR as the greatest development rider in history, think 04 M1. Ya see, even imaginary development is cause celeb.

Jumkie said:

Doesn't matter. Its the standard used to prop VR as the greatest development rider in history, think 04 M1. Ya see, even imaginary development is cause celeb.

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I'm going to start looking at bring Rossi into a Stoner debate the same as bringing Hitler into any debate. You just broke Godwins law.

You mad bro?

MdubSTYLIE said:

HRC did the right thing by not letting Casey wildcard. Marc is a title contender that was in need of points. Putting Casey on the bike had the potential of taking points away from him. Its nothing more than that. If by some crazy chance Iannone is in the championship hunt next season I would expect Ducati to do the same. I guess then he will storm off and become a joy rider for suzuki or some ..... Test rider. Mhm.

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Nazi!

Sweet, can you also bring Ducati into the argument? Because you may recall Honda prevented Rossi from touching the 04 M1 beyond Dec 31 (that he developed into a title winner) meanwhile Ducati did no such thing at the end of 2013, when Rossi threw them under the bus. Not to mention Rossi was kind enough to develop for Lorenzo and left him a title worthy bike in 2011, for the 2012 championship. Maybe it's a good thing Yamaha were coerced into signing Rossi back, as his legendary development skill developed for Lorenzo to win the 2015 title, eh?

Jumkie said:

Nazi!

Sweet, can you also bring Ducati into the argument? Because you may recall Honda prevented Rossi from touching the 04 M1 beyond Dec 31 (that he developed into a title winner) meanwhile Ducati did no such thing at the end of 2013, when Rossi threw them under the bus. Not to mention Rossi was kind enough to develop for Lorenzo and left him a title worthy bike in 2011, for the 2012 championship. Maybe it's a good thing Yamaha were coerced into signing Rossi back, as his legendary development skill developed for Lorenzo to win the 2015 title, eh?

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I don't understand what that has to do with my post about why I feel HRC didn't want Casey to wildcard. Please explain.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I don't understand what that has to do with my post about why I feel HRC didn't want Casey to wildcard. Please explain.

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It doesn't bro, I'm just using your post to rant about Rossi's legendary development. Just wanted to wedge my point, so I highjacked your post. My 'development' retort was in response to u asking me how many times did Casey ride the 13-14 title RCV.

Nazi, Hitler,


Godwin's Law--that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will go [off topic.]

MdubSTYLIE said:

I'm going to start looking at bring Rossi into a Stoner debate the same as bringing Hitler into any debate. You just broke Godwins law.

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Get it? Godwin's law. Off topic. Highjacked thread? I was trying to be funny by quoting you and not responding to the quote.


I'll get my coat.

Huzzah! Now it is official, people can wean themselves off of discussing the never ending soap opera and talk about this. It is going to be a long winter.

Jumkie said:

It doesn't bro, I'm just using your post to rant about Rossi's legendary development. Just wanted to wedge my point, so I highjacked your post. My 'development' retort was in response to u asking me how many times did Casey ride the 13-14 title RCV.

Nazi, Hitler,


Godwin's Law--that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will go [off topic.]




Get it? Godwin's law. Off topic. Highjacked thread? I was trying to be funny by quoting you and not responding to the quote.


I'll get my coat.

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Got brotha. It was hard to understand with this ringing and blood coming from my ears. I can't even look at Rossis name. I won't read another sentence involving him. I don't care if its pro bopper or anti bopper I ....... can't listen to it anymore. I'm having a berry berry meltdown.

MdubSTYLIE said:

HRC did the right thing by not letting Casey wildcard. Marc is a title contender that was in need of points. Putting Casey on the bike had the potential of taking points away from him. Its nothing more than that. If by some crazy chance Iannone is in the championship hunt next season I would expect Ducati to do the same. I guess then he will storm off and become a joy rider for suzuki or some ..... Test rider. Mhm.

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That is a not un-interesting contention. Does anyone here recall a wildcard rider stealing points from a teammate in contention for the championship. One would assume that not doing so would be a pre-condition of any agreement with the team management.

Little Walter said:

That is a not un-interesting contention. Does anyone here recall a wildcard rider stealing points from a teammate in contention for the championship. One would assume that not doing so would be a pre-condition of any agreement with the team management.

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Well there was another occasion where Honda fielded a wildcard which could have taken points away from their contender. See Laguna Seca 02. Wsbk.

Woah! One day I log in late and there's so much action that has already happened!! Fantastic news for Ducati but if he remains as a test rider then that will be a big let down. Hope he races along with two other factory riders and proves his talent...again.

MdubSTYLIE said:

HRC did the right thing by not letting Casey wildcard. Marc is a title contender that was in need of points. Putting Casey on the bike had the potential of taking points away from him. Its nothing more than that. If by some crazy chance Iannone is in the championship hunt next season I would expect Ducati to do the same. I guess then he will storm off and become a joy rider for suzuki or some ..... Test rider. Mhm.

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True Dubs, but Stoner himself said that the best he would expect would have been 5th and that he 'would not take points from his team mates'

That said though, I am not sure if that was before or after MM seemingly criticised him which may well have changed things

Gaz said:

True Dubs, but Stoner himself said that the best he would expect would have been 5th and that he 'would not take points from his team mates'

That said though, I am not sure if that was before or after MM seemingly criticised him which may well have changed things

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HRC probably wouldn't like that either. That want to see him ride like Casey Stoner. There is more negative than positive that could result in letting a rider like casey wildcard and thats what matter most to the bosses. IMO