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Stoner: Engine rule will make MotoGP closer

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Stoner: Engine rule will make MotoGP closer

Casey Stoner believes the new MotoGP engine-change limit will help make satellite riders more competitive in 2010.

A satellite rider hasn't won a MotoGP race since the last season of 990cc competition, in 2006. And of the 51 podium places on offer during the 2009 racing season, 46 went to factory riders.

The last seven rounds of 2009 saw the introduction of an engine-change limit, which will be tightened even further for the full 2010 season - when only six new engines will be available for each rider over the 18 rounds.

The rule change was designed to reduce maintenance and running costs, but Stoner thinks it will also bring the satellite riders closer to the front.

"It will be fun won't it?” Ducati's 2007 world champion told the BBC. “Everyone is in the same position and it might even things out in the long run so that factories with a lot of resources will not be able to just thrown a lot of resources at it.

"All these people are saying that satellite bikes are not being competitive - I think things will be a lot more even now," Stoner added.

"I [also] think the one tyre rule did a lot - it stopped a lot of complaining."

Stoner also commented on his heavily-reported mid-season fatigue problems, which saw the #27 sit out three rounds - and sacrifice any championship chances - in order to undergo a series of medical tests.

"It was a scare, it helped not to think about what people were saying,” said the Australian, a 20-time MotoGP race winner.

"At one point we went to see so many doctors and nobody had an idea. They thought it might be the end of my career. If we hit another hot race I was going to be destroyed.

"It was right to take that time off and it was huge decision and although I was not pressured into the decision I saw a lot of doctors only one came up with the fact that I was lactose intolerant.

"He was the only one who looked at all the blood tests and saw that I was on the low side on all of them. He looked at all the different causes - glucose, lactose and salt intolerance and the mixture of salt and lactose was the answer - and we are very grateful to him.

"It was great to come back to people with a reason.”

After returning to action, Stoner took three podiums - including two race wins - from the last four rounds.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jan 21 2010, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From Crash.
"It will be fun won't it?” Ducati's 2007 world champion told the BBC. “Everyone is in the same position and it might even things out in the long run so that factories with a lot of resources will not be able to just thrown a lot of resources at it.
Uhmmm... Casey..... engine durability is exactly something the factories can throw money at and expect dividends in terms of performance over sat-bikes... WTF? I, personally don't see this experiment yielding any decrease in expenditure nor increase in potentially competitive sat-bikes... hmmff!!
 
yeah this is all new and Sat teams might get the .... end of the stick until this rule is fully sorted durability wise if there's any probs initially then the factory teams will get the first upgrade and sat teams will get the usual .....
Didn't Colin complain last year he can't "Race" with what Engine he had.not a good sign
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jan 21 2010, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"I [also] think the one tyre rule did a lot - it stopped a lot of complaining."

Who was complaining? I thought only Stoner whinged. Surely he is not referring to 46 because I thought he didn't whinge, ....., moan or throw his toys out of the cot and threaten to go home.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Jan 21 2010, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhmmm... Casey..... engine durability is exactly something the factories can throw money at and expect dividends in terms of performance over sat-bikes... WTF? I, personally don't see this experiment yielding any decrease in expenditure nor increase in potentially competitive sat-bikes... hmmff!!
I think he is wrong too. As you say, they will assure longevity for the satellite bikes by giving them detuned engines, and throw money at the factory bikes (maybe not honda unless they are laying a smokescreen) and dorna will again demonstrate the law of unintended consequences in regard to their theoretical cost-cutting measures.

It doesn't sound like casey has much concern about there being any disadvantage to the ducati factory bikes though
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 21 2010, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who was complaining? I thought only Stoner whinged. Surely he is not referring to 46 because I thought he didn't whinge, ....., moan or throw his toys out of the cot and threaten to go home.
You are absolutly right. He welcomed the new rule. But that was of course after he had been on Brigestones for a year allready.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 21 2010, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are absolutly right. He welcomed the new rule. But that was of course after he had been on Brigestones for a year allready.
Sorry you are right Fish. It was during 2007 that he whinged, bitched, moaned, threw his toys out of the cot and threaten to go home. My mistake. Thanks for correcting me fish.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 21 2010, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he is wrong too. As you say, they will assure longevity for the satellite bikes by giving them detuned engines, and throw money at the factory bikes (maybe not honda unless they are laying a smokescreen) and dorna will again demonstrate the law of unintended consequences in regard to their theoretical cost-cutting measures.

You are probably right allthough I am in general sceptic to the "factory rider" or #1 rider allways have the better equipment.
If a factory get it right from the start with plenty power and durability it's likely very little development on the engine and it doesn't make sense to differentiate between factory and customer.
On the other hand, if they have a lot of development work to do it's likely that the factory team will progress through develpment and the customer bikes stay with a possible uppgrade mid year.
This is of course only true if they are even allowed to enter new engines into the pool during the season. If not i suspect that Stoner is right. They have to develop an engine that is durable and it make little sense to detune an allready durable engine. Surly they don't expect the customer bikes to use three engines a year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 21 2010, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are probably right allthough I am in general sceptic to the "factory rider" or #1 rider allways have the better equipment.
If a factory get it right from the start with plenty power and durability it's likely very little development on the engine and it doesn't make sense to differentiate between factory and customer.
On the other hand, if they have a lot of development work to do it's likely that the factory team will progress through develpment and the customer bikes stay with a possible uppgrade mid year.
This is of course only true if they are even allowed to enter new engines into the pool during the season. If not i suspect that Stoner is right. They have to develop an engine that is durable and it make little sense to detune an allready durable engine. Surly they don't expect the customer bikes to use three engines a year.
Perhaps so. I guess the cost is more in developing the engines rather than building them.
 
These cost cutting measures won't save money, they will just transfer the funds to engineering solutions for reliability IMO.


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The combined posts above has me wondering; do the factories have to present
all six engines at the same time at the beginning of the season? Or will they
be able to start out with two engines per rider - allowing them to engineer
various refinements to the balance of the engines and submit them for sealing
by Dorna - as they go?
 
I think the engine rule will make a difference. Dorna has been paying IRTA private teams a lot of money to help subsidize the lack of sponsorship and the cost of running an 800cc engine. We know the factories have been lowering customer costs by detuning the engines to squeeze another 200-300km out of them.

According to the preliminary information from within the sport, the 3 race engine requirement will be satisfied by reducing engine temperature and dropping revs. Ducati and Yamaha have already revealed much bigger cooling vents on the 2010 bikes, and I'm almost certain the cooling systems are getting an overhaul as well.

Private teams cannot afford frequent engine rebuilds, but they can afford larger cooling vents, upgraded cooling systems, and rev limits. Assuming the factory teams actually provide the privateers with fully upgraded systems, I think the racing will improve.

The racing will only become worse if the factory teams are able to extend engine life without reducing engine speed or power. It is certainly a possibility, but Ducati's indifference to the loss of power associated with running a Big Bang engine seems to indicate that max performance may not be the key to next season.
 

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