*SPOILERS* Jerez Race Thread

[Gaz]

the point is not if rossi's speed was excessive, obviously in turn 1 lap 8 it was, the point is that the majority here have been adamantely adopting the opinion that this kind of dominant speed wasn't possible, that this accident could never have been possible because Stoner would always be so far ahead, and that only Stoner could ride the Duck,

VR is the new Melandri and so on. Well much earlier than expected it's all been exposed for the ........ it always was. That's the point....

What has been exposed exactly?



Yes VR was fast - at a wet track where things level out.



The thing I find funny (hypocrtitical even) is that you are one who (rightly) states that testing and/or practice means nothing as it is a 'once off effort', yet here VR was 'competitive' before falling (and after) on this one occasion yet all of a sudden it shows the all round speed. Sorry if I find it interesting but this was one race that was affected by weather when in practice he was significantly off the pace (relative to leaders) yet all is now solved.



Talpa, VR has lost the front or crashed more times this year already then he would in an entire season - this is not yet solved nor a season renaissance but a blip at this stage. When VR can attain and sustain the pace in both wet and dry conditions than certainly one can look at it as being 'problem solved'.











Gaz

 

[33 Coupe]

Sorry, wrong thread. Too many to keep track off.

 

[Talpa]

What has been exposed exactly?



Yes VR was fast - at a wet track where things level out.



The thing I find funny (hypocrtitical even) is that you are one

who (rightly) states that testing and/or practice means nothing

as it is a 'once off effort', yet here VR was 'competitive' before

falling (and after) on this one occasion yet all of a sudden it

shows the all round speed. Sorry if I find it interesting but this

was one race that was affected by weather when in practice he

was significantly off the pace (relative to leaders) yet all is now

solved.



Talpa, VR has lost the front or crashed more times this year

already then he would in an entire season - this is not yet solved

nor a season renaissance but a blip at this stage. When VR can

attain and sustain the pace in both wet and dry conditions than

certainly one can look at it as being 'problem solved'.



Gaz

did you miss last season? three crashes at Indy alone! Or 2009, so far I've only counted 3 or 4 this year on a new underdeveloped bike

Yes testing doesn't count for anything.



As you say the wet leveled things, when considering the critics ........ all pre season, on a level field Stoner should have been half a lap ahead by lap 8, yet he was caught and passed by the guy who started in 12th. How is this possible? Stoner is a riding god!



Hard to so adamantly predict the outcome of a dry race like it was a forgone conclusion as well methinks.....

 

[michaelm]

did you miss last season? three crashes at Indy alone! Or 2009, so far I've only counted 3 or 4 this year on a new underdeveloped bike

Yes testing doesn't count for anything.



As you say the wet leveled things, when considering the critics ........ all pre season, on a level field Stoner should have been half a lap ahead by lap 8, yet he was caught and passed by the guy who started in 12th. How is this possible? Stoner is a riding god!



Hard to so adamantly predict the outcome of a dry race like it was a forgone conclusion as well methinks.....

As I recall dani pedrosa was looking pretty good at one stage at sachsenring in 2008.

 

[moto3]

I agree.







I still believe that Rossi requires at minimum a warning from the officials. This type of move is becoming a regular occurrence from Rossi and at this level of racing is unacceptable. It can happen down the back of the field or in Moto2 as much as they like but at the front with riders riding for championships, history and big money on bikes worth bigger money irresponsible moves such as this one should not be encouraged and a lack of action by officials just says that it is fine.



As far as Rossi being capable of winning the race, well I have doubts. The front 3 riders were pretty much coasting at the time of the ......... move. Stoner was definitely just coasting and waiting to get further into the race before putting the hammer down. Watching the race I commented that I couldn't believe how slow Stoner was riding. Rossi on the other hand was trying to catch the front guys before they ran away so was obviously going at 100% and rightly so.



Talpa and the other ....... who think Stoners comments were unjustified and will have a negative impact on Stoner are unbelievable. Rossi has punched a fellow competitor before!!!!!!!!!!!!



Stoner will go down in history as being the only rider to have owned Rossi off the track as well as on it.



I say it again.... Rossi's legacy is starting to look like ....!

100% agree. It is easy to sum up everything as a racing incident. But, the professional rider should know the difference in a racing and reckless move. Ex riders often said in the race coverage that the riders can race in such high speed becuase they trust each other. They trust the other rider's skills and their sensibility that they do not make stupid suicidal move. Rossi was too hot headed and drove into the inside to overtake Stoner and he could not hold the front end. He claimed he did not intend to overtake, but it is hard to believe it in the video.

 

[LittleEgg]

The main thing thats still quite funny is the fact that stoner fans cannot get over whats happened, and accept that it was a basic accident, involving a little over eagerness and an apology...



Really nothing further is required.



People making grand dramatic statements of what the rider has gone through in life "just to be taken out"....is frankly laughable, nothing more.

Almost as funny how you keep thinking your opinion resembles any sort of reality when faced with virtually 100% of opinion being contrary to that belief. I think you would find on a count back on this thread that you have the overwhelming majority of posts. I know because I don't bother reading 99% of what you dribble so it takes no time to skim through this thread.

So the popular opinion is that stoner fans can get over whats happened?



Yeah i can see that

Nuts + hugging = you.

 

[Austin]

Stoner said he backed off in the lap or two leading up to the event as he felt quite loose. He was adjusting mapping to increase stability, hence his decreased pace. Further, the Honda is not impossible to bumpstart, according to Kropotkin, although very difficult. He's got reason to be upset. By the same token, Rossi's got reason not to care anymore.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

So the popular opinion is that stoner fans can get over whats happened?



Yeah i can see that

Nuts + hugging = you.

You see you confirm my point. Just about every other person here would read my post and form the opinion that I was talking about all of your posts. Yet you go and pick part of a sentence in one of your posts in delusion and think that was my reference.



Your last little sentence paints a picture of your maturity better than the combination of all your dribble.

 

[LittleEgg]

You see you confirm my point. Just about every other person here would read my post and form the opinion that I was talking about all of your posts. Yet you go and pick part of a sentence in one of your posts in delusion and think that was my reference.



Your last little sentence paints a picture of your maturity better than the combination of all your dribble.

Ahahaha lol.....dont blame me, you made the blanket statement.



Yeah i do lack maturity at times. Any man that says they dont are either boring .......s or full of .... lol.



I bet you love the new snickers adverts right? you know the ones with MR.T in them?

 

[BarryMachine]

Stoner said he backed off in the lap or two leading up to the event as he felt quite loose. He was adjusting mapping to increase stability, hence his decreased pace. Further, the Honda is not impossible to bumpstart, according to Kropotkin, although very difficult. He's got reason to be upset. By the same token, Rossi's got reason not to care anymore.

I was thinking meh about the Marshal thing but if Lorenzo is saying something about it:



http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...11JerezMotoGPJorgeLorenzounhappywithmarshals/



I guess Lorenzo knows how it is "locally" ........... and it has been a source of shame.

 

[spooky]

I was thinking meh about the Marshal thing but if Lorenzo is saying something about it:



http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...11JerezMotoGPJorgeLorenzounhappywithmarshals/



I guess Lorenzo knows how it is "locally" ........... and it has been a source of shame.

Whats also interesting is what he says about Rossi binning it into Stoner....and thats from someone who doesnt really like Rossi!

 

[BarryMachine]

Whats also interesting is what he says about Rossi binning it into Stoner....and thats from someone who doesnt really like Rossi!

Which bit ?

 

[spooky]

Which bit ?

The bit where he says Rossi did nothing wrong, and that it could of happened to anyone in those conditions.

 

[2 wheeled panzer commander]

The bit where he says Rossi did nothing wrong, and that it could of happened to anyone in those conditions.

well he woiuild say that it saved him a potential battle for 25 points

 

[spooky]

well he woiuild say that it saved him a potential battle for 25 points

Haha, fair point!

 

[BarryMachine]

Not really that interesting though is it

 

[news1213]

Here you go Jumkie. Elias got one and now Rossi has one...

 

[djm]

Here you go Jumkie. Elias got one and now Rossi has one...

that is flippin classic. thanks for making me laugh out loud in my office.

 

[Tekniqs]

I'm dying over here at work...BRAVO! That's a classic chop

 

[J4rn0]

Whats also interesting is what he says about Rossi binning it into Stoner....and thats from someone who doesnt really like Rossi!

Yup... But it's also a comment coming from someone who just gained a lot of points advantage from that incident, so it figures that he is ready to minimize it.

He wouldn't say the same, had it happened to him!

Also regarding the Spanish marshals -- they know very well who is the main rival of Lorenzo and Pedro in the championship this year... it's not Rossi is it. If they all ignored Stoner to help Rossi, it's not so much because they love him...