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Zootalaws said:

No, I don't - but Stoner is an exceptional rider (and no, I wouldn't have come back with 'the different years argument' - the scenario is different).



I can't say how much his retirement burns me up. I can see his justification, but it doesn't make it any easier to accept.



But then, I have known GP racing had feet of clay for years...

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Jumkie said:

Dude, there is no ....... way to ignore it. Every story in MotoGP for the last 11 years has been all about Rossi. Winning or losing, antics, villains, shows, rules changes, equipment, politics, rivals, everything is about him. Watch the movie, faster, fastest, a decade in motogp, all documentaries of the sport are really in effect homage documentaries to Valentino. They don't talk about his whining, his exclusive treatment and equipment, his annoying clown celebrations, his pronounements that if the were for example taken with the same standard applied to Sete, Biaggi, and Stoner, they would echo worse. Do you remember what Valentino Rossi said after he crashed out in the race that Sete won? He said "Sete's win is not real." That sounds like the same .... that Casey got racked through the coals with after Laguna 08. That is the Rossi none of you can see through your rossie glasses. There is a reason why the term bopper exist. You and Rossi fans love it because that is what you live for, and frankly understand. But for people like me, who can see the blatant favortism, overwhelming influence, exclusive treatment by the league and the mindboggling double standards by his fans, the lack of humble spirit by the man himself (especially his winning years) and now all this going into hyper drive during the 2012 silly season, its really a bit much. The state of the sport has reached the fake wrestling level, except WWF is actually more interesting. But I wouldn't expect you to understand. I've actually done some reading on the worship mindset, its a bit like the political party one belongs to. You don't see the situation for its logic, that is why debates here are utterly useless. In fact, everything claimed about Rossi has been 100% debunked since 2011, YET, it has not changed one iota the minds of Rossi fans. Still they claim its all Ducati's fault for his fall from grace. Who the .... held a gun for him to go to a machine that only one man had ever ridden successfully? You want to know why you don't see it logically? You want to know why? Because you relate being a Rossi fan as a moral imperative. As I said in another post, Rossi could get an extra 200ccs, special made tires (which he has in the past), special rules that only apply to him, maybe even a head start in the race, etc. and the vast majority of his fans would accept it as legitimate, deserving, and normal. You simply see this situation with another set of values. I've come to realize this, and have accepted it. In the US we have two political parties. I marvel at Republicans who time and time again vote against their own self interest. You will never convince one they are wrong on logic. Logic is irrelevant!!! They vote the way they do because to them its a moral imperative and that trumps logic. Its exactly the same thing with Rossi. But in his case, not only have most of the fans drank the koolade, but also all of the league's leadership, the journalistic body, and the factories themselves (all of which: Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati he as thrown under the bus yet are falling over themselves to accept him back; each of which have made a public offer. In what world is this logical? None. Its a moral imperative as they see it. Rossi good. That's all they know.



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L8Braker said:

True...but I got spoiled during the 990 era, it seemed during that period the winner of any given race could come from the top 5, 6, or 7 riders???

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Kropotkin said:

https://twitter.com/...371054504685570

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stiefel said:

I find it a very weird thing to be making public. Could it be that Ellen Briggs has an agenda?

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