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Ducati don't deserve to be in Motogp. The stuff Rossi is complaining about (lack of development from the factory) is the same stuff stoner complained about. Remember stoner saying that he had the same bike at the end of the year as at the beginning. If duc are not going to match the jap manufacturers they should not be there.



Stoner failed on the duc from 2008 to 2010 in that he couldn't win the championship - his goal. He jumps on a Honda and wins pointing out the obvious deficiency of the duc. What is being debunked at the moment is those who put stoner on a pedastel above the others. It seems he can't ride anything and his teammate is doing a better job than him at the moment.



Exactly right, however its far easier to continue to lay the boot into Rossi if your said Rider isn't getting the 'cred' he apparently deserves after 10 years on a factory bike and 3 wins to show for it
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The facts don't lie, in the Rossi Ducati saga 2011 was one of the worst performances from a top level rider/team in recent history. However Rossi still beat Hayden, who had 2 more seasons on the POS under his belt, and Rossi is still beating Hayden this season. JB's recent comments completely debunked all of the absolute ........ being sprouted about Ducati's 'Moving Heaven and Earth' to cater for Rossi, so far the only serious fundamental update that has been made to that bike since 2009 has been the twin spar chassis. And they've only made 1! To Honda's 20 odd this season alone! Phillip Morris is footing the bill for Rossi and his crew, so all of the other ........ about Ducati forking out a fortune on Rossi, and Rossi is throwing Ducati under a bus, is also now quite comical to consider. If anything the ones being robbed here are Marlboro, and they are being robbed by a lackluster approach by Ducati to this highly competitive series (but I certainly don't feel sorry for the Marlboro man). Again I think its admirable Ducati are there at all, but whats the point of being in Motogp and having such great riders if you aren't prepared to give them what they need to win.......what they have done is build a bike in January-with a new frame, and not done anything with it since.



The Ducati has not been a championship contender since the others caught up in 2008-and got Bridgestones, I should remind some here of Nicky's debut season on the Duck in 2009 ( two seasons after winning the world title) where he finished 13th, 3 spots behind the satellite Kawasaki effort of Melandri. This is the true state of the Ducati and if Kawasaki and Suzuki were still there-they would probably be also beating the Ducati, Stoner had a unique way of piloting sure-a special sync that was ultimately flawed and in the gravel way too many times to be a title contender, and right now Pedders is handing him his arse on the Honda, and we all know that no one believes that Pedders would come close to the podium on the Duck.



Spies leaving Yamaha is hardly a shock, this was almost as predictable as the sun rising, his season has been atrocious on what is believed to be the best bike on the grid this year. There was no way he was going to keep the factory seat with Cal, Dovi and especially Rossi potentially lining up for it. Some of the other ........ I've read recently about Rossi not deserving a Factory seat back at Yamaha or anywhere is probably the most outlandish rubbish hater dribble I've ever heard.



It will be interesting to see, Kropo still feels Rossi will stay with Ducati, after the Spies announcement I have my doubts though. The gamble of staying with Ducati is probably too great for Rossi at this point of his career, and if he does-it will be interesting to see what measures Audi puts in place to ensure that the bike actually develops at the pace that is required, Yamaha knows whats needed, they been caught out before and reacted brilliantly-Ducati has yet to.
 
Ducati don't deserve to be in Motogp. The stuff Rossi is complaining about (lack of development from the factory) is the same stuff stoner complained about. Remember stoner saying that he had the same bike at the end of the year as at the beginning. If duc are not going to match the jap manufacturers they should not be there.



Stoner failed on the duc from 2008 to 2010 in that he couldn't win the championship - his goal. He jumps on a Honda and wins pointing out the obvious deficiency of the duc. What is being debunked at the moment is those who put stoner on a pedastel above the others. It seems he can't ride anything and his teammate is doing a better job than him at the moment.

If they had a big budget like the main Jap 4, I would take your point as well taken. Since you just can't possibly compare them against the jap companies, I will just take it that you don't really get it at all.
 
about Rossi not deserving a Factory seat back at Yamaha or anywhere is probably the most outlandish rubbish hater dribble I've ever heard.

Good post but



as a Rossi fan myself

the results Rossi has gotten in the last 2 yrs

if they were by any other rider in a factory team be it AMA BSB MOTOGP WSBK

They would be sacked simples
 
Good post but



as a Rossi fan myself

the results Rossi has gotten in the last 2 yrs

if they were by any other rider in a factory team be it AMA BSB MOTOGP WSBK

They would be sacked simples



What about Nickys result then? Since joining factory Ducati



2009-13th

2010-7th

2011-8th



And the two years before this on the Factory Honda



2007-8th

2008-6th



Is Nicky any other rider, or does this logic just apply to Rossi?
 
Stoner back to Ducati would be the real deal. These two were made for each other.
 
my bad

as the "#1" Factory rider in a team



Has Nicky been an official 100% #1
 
my bad

as the "#1" Factory rider in a team



Has Nicky been an official 100% #1

I don't understand the expectations that people have for both Nicky and Rossi, they've been on the same unchanged bike since January. What makes you think anyone would just miraculously get better while riding the same bike. The bikes need updates to be able to compete with each other. This will be the second weekend that the bike will actually have new parts on it, the swingarm they tested earlier in the season didn't work. That's right the only new part the bike got was a swing arm that did nothing. They are just now addressing the front end problem that the bike has had for how many years, and I doubt this will solve that problem by just moving some weight around but if it does get better than Presi will be forced to finally change his POS design because the evidence will be in his face. If they would have actually done what JB suggested back in January maybe then we could complain.
 
Hi Hawk imo expectations

thats half the problem how many A Class riders at there peak these days get more than 2yr contracts ? they dont

in the past sponsors TV Wasnt so much pressure

these days they have to deliver the goods end of or there out



CRT ? maybe one day but it wont be Motorcycle Grand Prix Racing as we know it



Crap we need Rules etc where private teams can join and think they have a chance of getting a podium at least Once / twice a season ? ? ?



Wheres ROC ?
 
Rossi not winning on Duc proves that machine means a lot more than Rossi fans will ever admit. Dovi deserves that factory M1 NOT Rossi, no amount of rationalizations by those making the case here hold water. VR has been one big fail at Ducati: nothing his fans or experts claimed came to fruition, in fact, quite the opposite! Development king, debunked, best rider ever, debunked, could hardly stay ahead of his "overrated" teammate, and "dastard" satellite. The lesson of 2011 proved this. The lesson of 2013, when Rossi has been bailed out and the sport force feeds us Rossi back to factory equipment will again confirm this fact. Rossi has the titles in the same way Vince McMahon issued them. Give a good rider every possible advantage to win, if thats not enuf, give them special tires (sns), if thats not enuf, make a spec tire. When he ..... up and goes away pouting, prop him back up artificially.Its just a matter of time now before the announcement is made. VR is bigger than the sport, and we all either cheer it or begrudgingly accept it. GP=WWF.



Nothing Rossi fans have predicted has come to fruition? Talkin pish my friend. I predicted Lorenzo would dominate, and Stoner would fall apart like a cheap watch once Jorge put him under pressure. Win to the Scots lad with the Fender Jazz bass.
 
Stoner back to Ducati would be the real deal. These two were made for each other.

I think so as well. I don't think he would have left without the events of 2009, he has made it fairly clear he saw them as family, and making a more generally rideable bike hasn't worked well for them thus far, although they may now finally be on the cusp of something which will serve them better for the future.
 
Hahaha, lame. One thing is certain; the bopper army will be back in full force and will prove to be as unbearable as the neoppers stint on Powerslide.



To address you post, Dorna has ruined it by their blatant favoritism of Rossi and the Spanish/Italian contingent. I think you may understand the difference, but I'm not sure, as your post does seem tongue in cheek and up to now, you’ve seemed fairly neutral. When you have rules made and discarded for individual riders as was the case with the Rookie Rule, then you should understand the situation when the league's top official, Carmelo, acts as the personal lobbying arm, strong arming, horse trading for the purpose of artificially propping (certainly NOT on merit, right, as he stand well below in points of at least three other riders, 2 of which would be rightly in line for the factory M1) up a rider, the result if you care to accept it is an illegitimate state of affairs I've come to the conclusion that if Rossi were given a special bike with an extra 200ccs, Rossi fans would cheer it as perfectly normal, deserving, and legitimate. Let me list it off for you while I'm at it: Saturday Night Special tires, discarded tire war, introduction of spec tire, bailing out of a non competitive bike, ALL of this comes from the league doing Valentino's bidding. I know you boys will go back to the old tune (used effectively by the neoboppers) chalking it up to "Rossi hate", but it’s all there for you too see. I don't expect Rossi fans to actually see it though. And why would they? They didn't see it before his Ducati stint, didn't see it during his Ducati stint, they won't see it into the future whatever that may be.



It was tongue in cheek, but I also try to be sensible about what's happening. I don't see it as black and white some do perhaps because there are usually more than one factor at play.



I don't think the Rookie Rule should have been set aside but the predicament it presented to the satellite teams made it easy for Dorna to rescind it. Ultimately Dorna is a professional entity and I don't...or even can't believe that they'll go changing things on whim for one particular person. I understand Rossi wanted to the same Bridgestones as Stoner in '08, but then why would the whole paddock go to it as well a year later. There were other factors at play...no? Wouldn't Rossi be asking for Michelins now if he felt he could have his way?



The point I'm trying to make is that if all this shady stuff has been going on, wouldn't someone have had their hand caught in the cookie jar by now? Look I agree Rossi still needs to prove himself on the Duc. If he leaves it will always haunt that he couldn't turn that operation around, but as Burgess has said, "if it were a normal engineering operation" they would have at least offered some more options to Rossi by now. I think that says a lot coming from him, since I feel if Rossi was dogging it, he would come out and say it.



Anyway, I should be at Laguna early Friday morning, the latest, even possibly Thursday night. I'm a terrible typer, I'd love to resume this convo in person at Sly McFly's like we did last year, when you asked me why I was wearing the Ferrari shirt. Right, that was you...no?
 
Hi Hawk imo expectations

thats half the problem how many A Class riders at there peak these days get more than 2yr contracts ? they dont

in the past sponsors TV Wasnt so much pressure

these days they have to deliver the goods end of or there out



CRT ? maybe one day but it wont be Motorcycle Grand Prix Racing as we know it



Crap we need Rules etc where private teams can join and think they have a chance of getting a podium at least Once / twice a season ? ? ?



Wheres ROC ?

I think it's because there are plenty of people who think Rossi still has enough left to run up front, who else on the grid not named Casey Stoner can take it to Jlo. I'm not a CS fan but I don't want to see any championship season go uncontested. If there were riders to fill the gap that Casey is leaving then I don't think Rossi even comes into the equation. Honda didn't want him on the factory bike and if Ben would have performed better, I don't think rossi would even have an option this year. So I don't think it's Dorna as mucch as a lack of any other credible riders, Dovi isn't going to challenge Jlo but he would be a solid consistent number 2.
 
Spies doesn't want to be part of MotoRossi GP anylonger, same as Stoner I suspect.

MotoGP is walking a fine line, 2 or 3 stars and 4 good factory machines does not a World Chamipionship make IMO.



In the 60 odd year history of the sport when have there been more than 4 machines and three riders capable of winning it all in the top class? I'm not saying there haven't been years, but they are few and far in between.
 
Agreed RockGod....hence my post about MotoRossi GP series. Spies possibly on a BMW in WSBK. Now what if Hayden and Dovi go to WSBK? Even crazier, what if Stoner comes out at the end of 2012 and says I changed my mind, I'm going to race in WSBK!

Casey, Andrea and Nicky - if you are reading, it's time to defect! How much would that fck DORNA up?!
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In the 60 odd year history of the sport when have there been more than 4 machines and three riders capable of winning it all in the top class? I'm not saying there haven't been years, but they are few and far in between.

True...but I got spoiled during the 990 era, it seemed during that period the winner of any given race could come from the top 5, 6, or 7 riders???
 
Casey, Andrea and Nicky - if you are reading, it's time to defect! How much would that fck DORNA up?!
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They should take Ben, Lorenzo and Crutch. Dorna would be stuck with the old dog being followed around by the little Pedro and the pups. Wonder how long it would take for Expleteta to see how short sighted his business plan really is.
 
From another forum...



Julian Ryder tweeted BMW WSBK for Spies, 2 year contract, from two reliable sources.
 
From another forum...



Julian Ryder tweeted BMW WSBK for Spies, 2 year contract, from two reliable sources.

Moto GP Factory Yamaha two year deal for Leon Haslam..................................

























(No reliable sources)
 
No .......what is a reliable source anyway right? Until it comes from the horse's mouth...
 

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