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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 22 2009, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you think that Rossi would take a "special" tire then you are in need of medical attention.
Absolutely. The tyre regulations specifically stipulate random allocation in any case.

I also believe that the change to the tyre regulations was mainly for the stated reasons of decreasing cost and promoting closer racing. I think it has benefited rossi though as the more versatile rider on the more versatile bike. The 2007 ducati was designed around a particular high tech bridgestone tyre when bridgestone's focus was almost exclusively on ducati; stoner's riding style serendipitously proved to be uniquely suited by this bike/tyre combination. If stoner is running out of tyres at the end of races which is a plausible alternative explanation to him genuinely having physical problems it is in contrast to 2007.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 22 2009, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely. The tyre regulations specifically stipulate random allocation in any case.

I also believe that the change to the tyre regulations was mainly for the stated reasons of decreasing cost and promoting closer racing. I think it has benefited rossi though as the more versatile rider on the more versatile bike. The 2007 ducati was designed around a particular high tech bridgestone tyre when bridgestone's focus was almost exclusively on ducati; stoner's riding style serendipitously proved to be uniquely suited by this bike/tyre combination. If stoner is running out of tyres at the end of races which is a plausible alternative explanation to him genuinely having physical problems it is in contrast to 2007.
So in other words you are trying say that Stoner had the advantage in 07 by having high tech bridgestones.
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Good sleuthing, Sack. I have no idea what the missing white line means, but I'm reopening the Lex files.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 21 2009, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely. The tyre regulations specifically stipulate random allocation in any case.
Who do these rule apply to?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 21 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you think that Rossi would take a "special" tire then you are in need of medical attention.
If you think he wouldn't then you don't know MotoGP history. He regularly took "special" tires when he was with Michelin. Common knowledge. Even ask a Rossi fan.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 22 2009, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So in other words you are trying say that Stoner had the advantage in 07 by having high tech bridgestones.
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And your point is?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who do these rule apply to?
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I am very often in agreement with you. On this particular point however my reading of how the tyres were to be distributed when the rule was introduced seemed to preclude favouritism, unless they have ways of secretly marking the good ones for valentino. As you have been to a race this year you may well be better informed on what is occurring in practice.

To be fair valentino is not much in need of advantages, but I would not go as far as to say he has never had any advantage particularly where tyres are concerned over the course of his career
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. The current tyre rule has the perhaps serendipitous side consequence of not allowing anyone to have a tyre advantage over him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 22 2009, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am very often in agreement with you. On this particular point however my reading of how the tyres were to be distributed when the rule was intoduced seemed to preclude favouritism, unless they have ways of secretly marking the good ones for valentino.

Bingo.


(Dude, you're screwing up my program. As Pete says, "traces of tongue and cheek" can be found in my posts).
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But kidding aside, yes, Rossi regularly got "special" tires from Michelin (that is superior tires not alloted or available to other riders. Not sure if that is happening now, but I can surely speculate, eh. Haha. And geez, this little white <strike>LIE</strike> line thing has sure stirred up my curiosity.)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 22 2009, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Good sleuthing, Sack. I have no idea what the missing white line means, but I'm reopening the Lex files.
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hey,our agent is on his mission again...listen, listen...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you think he wouldn't then you don't know MotoGP history. He regularly took "special" tires when he was with Michelin. Common knowledge. Even ask a Rossi fan.
You make it sound like rossi was the only rider to get "Saturday night specials". 90 % of the grid were on michilin and all the top players like biaggi, gibbers in recent times and doohan ect in the past all had them.
Having an advantage is one thing, being able to capitalise with it is quite another. We used to see this with quali tyres. the top riders could reduce a lap time by over a second with a quali, but some riders it barely noticed.
 
Okay now the video survelance tape has gone missing
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I think the last thing it showed was Uccio's ... heading right for the camera. Luckliy TMZ has some iPhone footage of a masked man dropping off a suspected package to the Rossi garage. Hopefully it will be released in the near future.
 
Please stop with the special Rossi tires. Guess what? Other people tried them and couldn't use them. They were too hard. You want Rossi Michelins? Go ahead. Okay. Wrench, Wrench. Wrench. Vroom. OMGWTFBBQ ?!?!?!? LEVERS IN!!! Pit. Can I have my old tires back?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jul 22 2009, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please stop with the special Rossi tires. Guess what? Other people tried them and couldn't use them. They were too hard. You want Rossi Michelins? Go ahead. Okay. Wrench, Wrench. Wrench. Vroom. OMGWTFBBQ ?!?!?!? LEVERS IN!!! Pit. Can I have my old tires back?
yup
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 22 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But he did get them, no?

It doesn't matter. Other riders tried them and couldn't use them. The tire worked for Rossi but not others due to riding style, not because other riders got "worse" tires. To make another rider use Rossi's tires would be to handicap that rider and surely that's not something you would want, right?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 22 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But he did get them, no?
but he was one of the few who could use then ,no ?

I think these overnight tyre were as much about development as anything else. they were produced after all the track data was collated, this data was no doubt collated from the top teams who would be the tyre company's main test source. Then these over night tyre's would have been compared after the race to the previous tyres used. This data would be used to produce better tyres that would be supplied to other teams in the future.
 
I'm talking now. Back in the day even Sete claimed to get Sunday specials. Well that was then. Rossi's rep would be badly tarnished as would anyone elses if he pulled that stunt now and I just don't think he would.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 22 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anybody else notice we don't get burn out celebrations any more ?

The Michelin techs used to brush the burnout rubber into the dirt so no one could figure out their recipe. They were crazy about guarding their tires. Then one weekend at a race in the UK I believe someone broke into a Michelin van and stole a single tire. Remember that? Didn't hear much more about it.
 

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