Shook Ones Pt.2

Tom · Apr 11, 2008

Last year i got told off by some on hear who disapproved of my belief that Rossi's results were suffering as a result of his mentality so i thought its only fair to post this

Stoner's turn

Sounds to me like someone looking for answers in his equipment because he has been forced to push beyond where he is comfortable by improving competition. Not a good place to be right now

mylexicon · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 11 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Last year i got told off by some on hear who disapproved of my belief that Rossi's results were suffering as a result of his mentality so i thought its only fair to post this

Probably not anyone important?

Anyway, I find it strange that the company who refuses to leave the steel trellis because it provides flex and tractability is now reportedly the stiffest bike on the grid.

800s are the worst thing to happen to GP motorcycles.

frosty58 · Apr 11, 2008

ahhh this is a simple 1 to figure out.... bridgestone are giving all the good stuff to rossi now.

Tom · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 11 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ahhh this is a simple 1 to figure out.... bridgestone are giving all the good stuff to rossi now.

Lets not start that

Jumkie · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 11 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sounds to me like someone looking for answers in his equipment because he has been forced to push beyond where he is comfortable by improving competition. Not a good place to be right now
No .... Sherlock. What's the mystery here? Of course he is looking for answers in his bike, its called pre-race practice. This is exactly the time they "look for answers" in a bike, most of the world calls it the "set-up" process. Weak attempt to imply it has something to do with his composure.

mylexicon · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ahhh this is a simple 1 to figure out.... bridgestone are giving all the good stuff to rossi now.

Not only are they giving Rossi the good stuff, Ezy is making them!

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Tom · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 11 2008, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No .... Sherlock. What's the mystery here? Of course he is looking for answers in his bike, its called pre-race practice. This is exactly the time they "look for answers" in a bike, most of the world calls it the "set-up" process. Weak attempt to imply it has something to do with his composure.

So you feel it is premature of me to question Casey's mental strength?

I only posted this because Casey has had two crashes off the front end in two meetings now. Stoner's confidence was very high last year and it showed, what we haven't seen yet is how he will cope when his confidence is undone. I think this could be it, and its interesting.

Of course the flipside is that he solves the problem tomorrow and podiums on sunday, we'll see

babelfish · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 11 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you feel it is premature of me to question Casey's mental strength?

I only posted this because Casey has had two crashes off the front end in two meetings now. Stoner's confidence was very high last year and it showed, what we haven't seen yet is how he will cope when his confidence is undone. I think this could be it, and its interesting.

Of course the flipside is that he solves the problem tomorrow and podiums on sunday, we'll see

I agree with you here Tom. This could be an important turning point for Stoner.
He looks worried and for a reason. How he handle this could decide the rest of the season for him.
This year the pressure and expectations are on him while last year was relativly problem free and little to no pressure and expectations and he was in the zone.

pacman · Apr 11, 2008

Shook Ones prt 2 is a great song.

Tom · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pacman @ Apr 11 2008, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shook Ones prt 2 is a great song.

I was wondering how long it would take someone to get the refference. Well played

Bootsakah · Apr 11, 2008

I agree with you as well, the pressure is on bigtime. Last year he had only improve on his 2006 year which everyone knows how stellar that was. He is in a position now to try and work with the team or tough it out and use skill to ride through this. I also agree with Jumkie too however, only the first day of practice, mixed wet/dry conditions. He just needs to learn to be mentally tough and trust the team to come thru. Is it just me or does he seem to bad talk his team a lot when things aren't perfect and he is in the top?

yamaka46 · Apr 11, 2008

Found this comment interesting by Rossi when asked about his feeling for the B-Stone front compared to Stoner's:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I am in a different situation," he said. "I arrive from Michelin and from there I like the Bridgestone front, so for this moment I have a good feeling from the front.
LINK

Either

a) he's saying that there was even less feel with the Michelin front, so he's fairly happy with the Stones (this would tie up with Stoners front end loses on the LCR in 2006), or

b) he's playing mind games.

If it's the latter, then at least it's pretty cleverly couched (see point a!)

frizzle · Apr 11, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 12 2008, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sounds to me like someone looking for answers in his equipment because he has been forced to push beyond where he is comfortable by improving competition. Not a good place to be right now

I'm not so sure that's the case Tom.
He dropped the front on his outlap when he wasn't even pushing.

"These are completely different problems to the ones we had in Jerez," said Stoner. "So far I'm still having absolutely no feeling with the front end and I can't explain why we crashed on an out lap, going slow, with the bike upright.

"I was literally cruising, just picking the bike up on the way out of the corner and the front decided to give up on me.

"We've had such good feeling with the front in the past and lately it's gone - there aren't even any close saves, the grip is either there or it's not. I had these problems throughout the session today - so many times I had the front end on my knee and had to pick it up, so something is clearly not right.

"For one reason or another, the bike doesn't feel the same as it has done in the past and we just need to try and figure it out, but I'm sure with a few setup changes we can get there. It wasn't our best day but we're still not far off the pace."

I don't know if you watched practice but that Ducati was massively unstable everywhere from what I saw. It's a quick bike but man it's a nasty piece of work.

vale4607 · Apr 11, 2008

Stoners season is over. FP2 in Portugal was the moment.

Tom · Apr 12, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Apr 12 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if you watched practice but that Ducati was massively unstable everywhere from what I saw. It's a quick bike but man it's a nasty piece of work.

Yea i saw, and it is definitely a beast of a bike. The thing that worries me is Stoner saying things along the lines of not knowing why the bike randomly feels different and why things seem to have changed for no reason. Those are complaints he made in 2006.

smaid · Apr 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pacman @ Apr 11 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shook Ones prt 2 is a great song.

true, but Hit It From The Back is better.

babelfish · Apr 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 12 2008, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Found this comment interesting by Rossi when asked about his feeling for the B-Stone front compared to Stoner's:

LINK

Either

a) he's saying that there was even less feel with the Michelin front, so he's fairly happy with the Stones (this would tie up with Stoners front end loses on the LCR in 2006), or

he's playing mind games.

If it's the latter, then at least it's pretty cleverly couched (see point a!)

Everyone going from M to B has praised the front tire of bridgesotne so that makes perfect sense.
As for CS and what he says it wouldn't surprice me if the fron is not his problem. That rear is the worst I've seen on any bike the way it worked in FP3 and QP in Portugal. A rear like that will most certainly influence the front.

Jumkie · Apr 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 17 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everyone going from M to B has praised the front tire of bridgesotne so that makes perfect sense.
As for CS and what he says it wouldn't surprice me if the fron is not his problem. That rear is the worst I've seen on any bike the way it worked in FP3 and QP in Portugal. A rear like that will most certainly influence the front.
Ah the resident tire expert speaks.

I think it may be more than a tire issue, but rather a combination of set-up and over-engineering. I think he will get it sorted. But hey, this shouldn't matter right, he's the best rider in the planet despite tire/bike issues.

ogunski · Apr 19, 2008

I have a theory that Ducati has radically changed something with the chassis setup. Probably in an effort to make a bike that can be ridden by more that one guy on the planet. If my failing memory serves me isn't that what Bayliss complained about in his second year on the big red bike? He went from a very promising first season to an absolutely horrible one in his second year. At the time I thought it was strange, but perhaps this is Ducati's pattern. They may have gambled and got it wrong. The rest of the season will.

Tom · Apr 19, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 19 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a theory that Ducati has radically changed something with the chassis setup. Probably in an effort to make a bike that can be ridden by more that one guy on the planet. If my failing memory serves me isn't that what Bayliss complained about in his second year on the big red bike? He went from a very promising first season to an absolutely horrible one in his second year. At the time I thought it was strange, but perhaps this is Ducati's pattern. They may have gambled and got it wrong. The rest of the season will.

But the GP4 was a brand new bike while the GP8 is an evolution with no major changes, i'm still unsure. Stoner's issues are not yet clear enough to judge, China will be interesting for sure.

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