Sepang Test (Jan 31st - Feb 2nd 2012)

michaelm said:

I should perhaps as well, since I said the way to stop stoner was to take away his preferred "hard" tyre

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As someone opposed to the control tyre I have no problem with them developing a tyre which suits the ducati, there always should have been one, and ducati's survival is vital to the sport. Everyone was also happy when the 2012 tyre was tried last year, before this experimental tyre. Everyone was complaining about the 2011 tyre not performing well cold last year as well; there were unusual conditions last year though with cool temperatures in general and newly laid tracks at several venues which may have influenced things.

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BarryMachine said:

I actually doubt that Curve. It may well be that you could but you spout so much .... that is just so plain obviously untrue, I have become accustomed to thinking that everything you say is an antithesis.

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Jumkie said:

Mike, don't get sucked in to the conclusion my friend. Developing a tire for a bike whos rider knows the ins-&-outs of the bike and all its performance characteristics, to then ask for a overnighter with that knowledge in the pocket, is entirely different then guessing how the bike will perform (as far as I know this was the first shakedown by Duc factory riders) given the new tires. Checa & Test rider ABC doesn't amount to jack ..... The riders from Casey to Lorenzo to Rossi were all crying that last years tires were coming up to temp too damn slow. ALL the riders wanted changes. Don't get suckered into the neo-bops anti-stoner conspiracy.



Btw, regarding your reasoning that a tire 'should' be made to suit the Ducati. I disagree if its to give them an unfair advantage. The tire may work better not because they had in mind to .... Stoner and help Ducati, but more importantly, the Duc has been REDESGINED! The bike has been made to mimc the Jap convention of a GP machine. On top of the fact they attempted to improve the tire to avoid all the early race crashes.



The neo-bops crying conspiracy is unbelievable. Stoner is topping the time sheets, went faster from the old tire to the new tire, and I'm still reading foul play. WTF????

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Jumkie said:

Other than your demented fan club of Scotty, Stoner27, ...... Etal, you have by far, I'm talking by an astronomical margin, been the forum constant ...... BM, most people here "have become accustomed to thinking that everything you say is ........."



Now go along my little trained monkey....respond below. If anything, you provide comic relief and my personal entertainment.





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BarryMachine said:

Just how much faster/more fit than Pedro are you Curve!??, I was thinking that judging by the way you talk, you would beat Pedro by half a lap,but now I'm thinking you would at least lap him!!

WTF is wrong with you guys! he may be a midget Curve ..... but his little toe would whoop your lazy talentless pissweak lard arse.

And sadly, quite obviously at the moment, any other of your countrymen ........ even those that , unlike you, do care to get off the couch and on a bike and race!!

I'll give you a tip, Curve and Jumkie, ....... what do you think a racer would think of a fan who carries on with crap like you do .........

answer ....





nothing .

Despite how important you feel you are .

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michaelm said:

I did put a smiley after my first line, and made most of the points that you made in your post. Just on first principles the likelihood of bridgestone screwing honda, quite likely their biggest oem customer and a fellow japanese company to boot, would appear to be rather small. My view is that under the control tyre rule ( which I did not agree with) there should be a wide enough choice to suit all the bikes, and my problem would be if they took away a choice suited to a particular bike or rider rather than providing one. As you say the ducati is now a similar design to the other bikes anyway.



I don't usually wear tin hats, but I am something of a subscriber to lex's tyre conspiracy of a few years ago concerning the tyre developed for the ducati being taken away after the dominant year by stoner/ducati in 2007. I think it is also true that stoner prefers a harder tyre than most in general, and has had most of his wins on such a tyre.

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Edwards said:

Are you Casey Stoner?

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Mr Squiggle said:

All hail King Neo....leader of the Neo-bops

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Talpa said:

One of the more intriguing and potentially exciting developments from the test is the complaints from Dani and Stoner, maybe Jorge too I think- about the physicality of the new bikes and how much more demanding they are to ride.



Hopefully this will put an end to the crazy diets these bigger riders have had to endure in order to try to stay relative to their smaller opposition. It may also hopefully add the element of extra stamina required for full race distance compared with the 800's, which can of course potentially lead to better racing. If they won't make the tyres go off, they might make the riders go off instead......... Whatever works to get rid of the horrendously processional racing we've had to endure for past couple of seasons.....as long as it remains as safe as possible.... Not hard to beat the 800's record in this department anyway.

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eltoro said:

All I know is, I have no interest in a Kawasaki in any form (engine, bike, whatever) being back on the grid.

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Jumkie said:

Other than your demented fan club of Scotty, Stoner27, ...... Etal, you have by far, I'm talking by an astronomical margin, been the forum constant ...... BM, most people here "have become accustomed to thinking that everything you say is ........."



Now go along my little trained monkey....respond below. If anything, you provide comic relief and my personal entertainment.





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BarryMachine said:

I've said my piece Jumkie, you can take it on board , or ignore it and carry on.



I know which person I'd enjoy debating with more ......... and its not the supremely intelligent, mature person who actually thinks he's "manipulating" folk on the net

FFS grow up Jumkie, or lay off the grog.

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Jumkie said:

The Bridgestone engineers should start moonlighting for the psychic friends network, since they were able design a tire for a bike that had not existed until very recently.

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Stoner 27 said:

Over the years Bazz every time Jumkie gets pissed he gets on the comp....cant be any worse then the Penquin, he dont need piss just sprouts out crap all the time.

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Jumkie said:

May I remind you the DucatiGP7 was not designed with him in mind, yet he had a very outstanding season. His teammate, who it was designed for, not so much.

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Jumkie said:

Dont try to align urself with Mike. He is an honest measured insightful Stoner fan who has remained constant and grounded. U on the other hand are unlike Mike.

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michaelm said:

Call me a neo-bopper if you like, while I continue not to call anyone a bopper, although this does remind me of a discussion with talpa. Did I condemn rossi for punching biaggi or giving him the bird? I just pointed out he did those things, which doesn't necessarily imply that I think he was in the wrong in either situation. You on the other hand , appear to regard the cases as different, with rossi of course being justified in his actions while stoner giving rossi the bird after actually being taken out through no fault of his own was not.





I have supported barry on this thread because he was singled out for criticism by you guys in a thread ridiculous and trolling from its inception, and not initiated by him. I think he has the occasional good left field engineering insight as well.





As I have said, stoner's "attitude" (such as it is) is what those with your attitude have wrought; the hatred towards him was just as vehement in 2007 before any practice lap contretemps when he was wearing t-shirts proclaiming valentino one of his heroes, and the attitude to which you objected was his disagreement with the contention that he hadn't really beaten valentino. St Francis of Assisi would develop attitude after that and the vicious gleeful gloating about his "mental destruction" in 2009.





If you now don't like his attitude, tough luck.





I gave valentino full credit for his wins in 2008 and 2009 and kept posting on here in good humour during all your triumphalism. My disagreements and criticisms continue to be with and of some of valentino's fans and not valentino, with the exception of the gibernau incident where my view remains as it has always been.

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Mr Squiggle said:

Can I just call you Neo from now on.....

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