Sepang Test (Jan 31st - Feb 2nd 2012)

BarryMachine said:

Yep but the trouble may be that Barberas Duc may just "let go at front ", I think it was more of an issue in getting Rossi at least back to say maybe 4th or 5th ...... reliably.



And yep the Yam does not have funny V twin VSG .

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Or is it also the changes improve the front but lose grip at the rear? Rossi says the vibration is gone but rear traction is bad. The old design must of had some advantages for Stoner to use, Barbera maybe also?



How are dirt trackers made, rear weight bias or front?

Talpa said:

Thought you might....... I'm just making observations based on what is present from the times. Stoner did not perform multiple laps under 2min, nor even many in the 2.00's for whatever reason(s). Injury no doubt playing a part.

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Come on Talps, no making excuses now.

Talpa said:

Jorge however did perform very well consistently, thus for me indicates that Yamaha performed extremely well and they are in a very strong position. The problem with Stoner is he can mask many faults in a machine (just ask Ducati!!!) lulling the engineers into a false sense of security, Not too sure this will happen with Honda. However finding the consistentcy of this new rubber will have to be a major task for the next test as they didn't string too many laps together this week.

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I agree with regards to JL and as weekend goes by I become more and more of an admirer of his work ethics as for mine, he simply cannot be faulted and I do see him as the equal of Stoner in all ways (sorry Jums )





Now, with regards to Stoner you are almost sounding like a fan but I totally agree in that he seems to have that innate ability to be fast on anything which can (and it would seem did in the case of Ducati) hide any flaws, much to the detriment of the other riders and of course ongoing developmental direction of the machine (ie. pig headed engineers).



There were two interesting Stoner related reports that I recall from last year that are both in play this season and that I feel are likely true and both relate to the point raised from this test (well, can be related)



The first was that Stoner's ability to produce such fast times so early which is often criticised is actually a strength for him and his team (in terms oft he way they work) as it allows him to test at race pace far quicker as he achieves that pace so quickly. The story.report (and I will try - and likely fail to find the source as I could be paraphrasing) was that CS will often produce a super fast time which allows him to identify a flaw and so he returns for adjustments only to then return to the track to test the adjustments and so on. Thus it was said it allows his team to make more adjustments and so on whereas the other riders preferred to build up to pace over a series or 3 - 5 laps and then to test/ensure the flaw before returning to 'dial in' the adjustments. Hope that makes sense.



But the second was exactly as you describe (and from memory was attributed in some degree to Preziosi/Guareschi) who basically said that Stoner's ability to ride around problems did lead to disbelief that any problem existed as the data showed a fast lap time which for them was what they wanted. 2011 showed that maybe they should have listened as no doubt Rossi/JB found the same issues that Stoner and now doubt Hayden also experienced in 2010, yet 2011 was a wasted year that could possibly have been better, had they listened earlier.



Either way, things do definitely look better for Ducati as for mine, the sight of Rossi riding in the manner he was says far more than then times they achieved which can only bode well at this stage.







Gaz

Gaz said:

Come on Talps, no making excuses now.

I agree with regards to JL and as weekend goes by I become more and more of an admirer of his work ethics as for mine, he simply cannot be faulted and I do see him as the equal of Stoner in all ways (sorry Jums

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Now, with regards to Stoner you are almost sounding like a fan but I totally agree in that he seems to have that innate ability to be fast on anything which can (and it would seem did in the case of Ducati) hide any flaws, much to the detriment of the other riders and of course ongoing developmental direction of the machine (ie. pig headed engineers).



There were two interesting Stoner related reports that I recall from last year that are both in play this season and that I feel are likely true and both relate to the point raised from this test (well, can be related)



The first was that Stoner's ability to produce such fast times so early which is often criticised is actually a strength for him and his team (in terms oft he way they work) as it allows him to test at race pace far quicker as he achieves that pace so quickly. The story.report (and I will try - and likely fail to find the source as I could be paraphrasing) was that CS will often produce a super fast time which allows him to identify a flaw and so he returns for adjustments only to then return to the track to test the adjustments and so on. Thus it was said it allows his team to make more adjustments and so on whereas the other riders preferred to build up to pace over a series or 3 - 5 laps and then to test/ensure the flaw before returning to 'dial in' the adjustments. Hope that makes sense.



But the second was exactly as you describe (and from memory was attributed in some degree to Preziosi/Guareschi) who basically said that Stoner's ability to ride around problems did lead to disbelief that any problem existed as the data showed a fast lap time which for them was what they wanted. 2011 showed that maybe they should have listened as no doubt Rossi/JB found the same issues that Stoner and now doubt Hayden also experienced in 2010, yet 2011 was a wasted year that could possibly have been better, had they listened earlier.



Either way, things do definitely look better for Ducati as for mine, the sight of Rossi riding in the manner he was says far more than then times they achieved which can only bode well at this stage.







Gaz

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Makes sense to me. You cant blame any of the riders, they have told Ducati from the start that the bike was flawed. Stoner had either the guts, balls, talent,suicidal tendencies, will to win, or all of the above, that somehow made it work. The only difference is, Rossi had the political pull and star power that even Ducati could not resist change . One of those Italian offers you cant refuse kind of deals.

povol said:

Makes sense to me. You cant blame any of the riders, they have told Ducati from the start that the bike was flawed. Stoner had either the guts, balls, talent,suicidal tendencies, will to win, or all of the above, that somehow made it work. The only difference is, Rossi had the political pull and star power that even Ducati could not resist change . One of those Italian offers you cant refuse kind of deals.

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I'm not really a MotoGP pro and whatnot; Though as what of I've read here and at some other forums that Sto's talent of turning out fast laps is somehow of a double edge sword. I don't really see it that way though; It's a good ability to have (riding around problems); Sure development is a priority but I don't think (well not really sure) that you can always have a 100%bike.



ooh yeah; Why the hell only the honda riders are having massive chatter issues? The yams and ducs seems not bothered with it (or like having not at all). The yams are focusing on electronics while Ducs are well "front end" as always. Only the Honda's are having chatter issues.

frethammer said:

I'm not really a MotoGP pro and whatnot; Though as what of I've read here and at some other forums that Sto's talent of turning out fast laps is somehow of a double edge sword. I don't really see it that way though; It's a good ability to have (riding around problems); Sure development is a priority but I don't think (well not really sure) that you can always have a 100%bike.



ooh yeah; Why the hell only the honda riders are having massive chatter issues? The yams and ducs seems not bothered with it (or like having not at all). The yams are focusing on electronics while Ducs are well "front end" as always. Only the Honda's are having chatter issues.

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barbera had bad chatter issues but ironed them out over the test.

frethammer said:

I'm not really a MotoGP pro and whatnot; Though as what of I've read here and at some other forums that Sto's talent of turning out fast laps is somehow of a double edge sword. I don't really see it that way though; It's a good ability to have (riding around problems); Sure development is a priority but I don't think (well not really sure) that you can always have a 100%bike.



ooh yeah; Why the hell only the honda riders are having massive chatter issues? The yams and ducs seems not bothered with it (or like having not at all). The yams are focusing on electronics while Ducs are well "front end" as always. Only the Honda's are having chatter issues.

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Can Casey fix this issue? Or is he going to "ride around" this problem as well? He's going to turn this thing into another Ducati that no one can ride except him.



Anyway, Pernat says that the new Bridgestones definitely suits Ducatis more than the Hondas and has no effect on Yamaha. I hope to see some good battles between Casey, Vale, and Jorge this year!

frethammer said:

I'm not really a MotoGP pro and whatnot; Though as what of I've read here and at some other forums that Sto's talent of turning out fast laps is somehow of a double edge sword. I don't really see it that way though; It's a good ability to have (riding around problems); Sure development is a priority but I don't think (well not really sure) that you can always have a 100%bike.



ooh yeah; Why the hell only the honda riders are having massive chatter issues? The yams and ducs seems not bothered with it (or like having not at all). The yams are focusing on electronics while Ducs are well "front end" as always. Only the Honda's are having chatter issues.

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Can Casey fix this issue? Or is he going to "ride around" this problem as well? He's going to turn this thing into another Ducati that no one can ride except him.



Anyway, Pernat says that the new Bridgestones definitely suits Ducatis more than the Hondas and has no effect on Yamaha. I hope to see some good battles between Casey, Vale, and Jorge this year!

livewoutlimit said:

Can Casey fix this issue? Or is he going to "ride around" this problem as well? He's going to turn this thing into another Ducati that no one can ride except him.



Anyway, Pernat says that the new Bridgestones definitely suits Ducatis more than the Hondas and has no effect on Yamaha. I hope to see some good battles between Casey, Vale, and Jorge this year!

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I don't think Stoner made the Ducati worse. he definitely saw the potential of it; hence why he's fast on it. The bike is just happens to be so fickle. Rossi even gave up on it.



Oh thanks @Jazkat - well that's reassuring, hope for the honda boys to fix that chatter on the next test.

livewoutlimit said:

Can Casey fix this issue? Or is he going to "ride around" this problem as well? He's going to turn this thing into another Ducati that no one can ride except him.



Anyway, Pernat says that the new Bridgestones definitely suits Ducatis more than the Hondas and has no effect on Yamaha. I hope to see some good battles between Casey, Vale, and Jorge this year!

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Imagine that. That is a complete shocker.

livewoutlimit said:

Can Casey fix this issue? Or is he going to "ride around" this problem as well? He's going to turn this thing into another Ducati that no one can ride except him. !

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May I remind you the DucatiGP7 was not designed with him in mind, yet he had a very outstanding season. His teammate, who it was designed for, not so much.

povol said:

Imagine that. That is a complete shocker.

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The Bridgestone engineers should start moonlighting for the psychic friends network, since they were able design a tire for a bike that had not existed until very recently.

povol said:

Imagine that. That is a complete shocker.

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So what do we have so far? First, increased testing allowed. Next increased weight limits. Now, after Honda and Yamaha have already developed bikes for a 2012 spec tire, a new specially developed experimental front tire. No, of course its all just a co-incidence, nothing to do with Ducati.



Bridgestone statements:

Bridgestone’s focus in Sepang was evaluation of both the 2012 spec tyres and the specially developed experimental front tyre, with the data acquired to be incorporated into Bridgestone’s ongoing MotoGP tyre development programme.



Loris Capirossi – Safety Advisor to Dorna

"In my discussions with riders, the general feeling is that the 2012 specification tyres are very good and they are happy with the feeling they offer. Also, the experimental front tyre helped give the riders an understanding of Bridgestone’s development direction."

Jumkie said:

The Bridgestone engineers should start moonlighting for the psychic friends network, since they were able design a tire for a bike that had not existed until very recently.

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Remember overnight specials. They were developed overnight! Remember that shakedown test Ducati had to have with Checa. Data for Loris to rush back to bridgestone for their specially developed experiment.

Former world champion Jorge Lorenzo wants the top speed of the sport's new bikes to be cut by MotoGP organisers to protect riders' safety.



The 1,000cc bikes generally prompted a warm reception following testing at Malaysia's Sepang circuit, where Marco Simoncelli died in October.



But Lorenzo, the 2010 world champion with Yamaha, admitted: "I am not happy with the top speed.



"We need to reduce it if we want to make it in the safe category."





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Dani Pedrosa has described Honda's new RCV 213V as "the most physically demanding" MotoGP bike he has ridden.

"This bike is physically more demanding [than the 800], you feel the power in the acceleration, the speed under hard braking and also the extra weight, and three days of testing here in Malaysia is very tiring," Pedrosa said.





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Can we scap this motogp .... and have mini moto's plz



2013..WSBK.BSB Man'd up..

livewoutlimit said:

He's going to turn this thing into another Ducati that no one can ride except him.

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The ducati started out as a bike that no-one could ride except him, and in 2010 when they tried to make it "generally rideable", together with the tyre changes, became a bike no-one could ride including him.



It may be that honda have a chatter problem he has not fixed though, dani was complaining about chatter last year. Since honda are prepared to provide different chassis for dani and stoner there would seem to be opportunity for him to fix it if stoner can't; dovi did go with stoner's rather than dani's chassis last year though and had his best year.

Jumkie said:

The Bridgestone engineers should start moonlighting for the psychic friends network, since they were able design a tire for a bike that had not existed until very recently.

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I should perhaps as well, since I said the way to stop stoner was to take away his preferred "hard" tyre .



As someone opposed to the control tyre I have no problem with them developing a tyre which suits the ducati, there always should have been one, and ducati's survival is vital to the sport. Everyone was also happy when the 2012 tyre was tried last year, before this experimental tyre. Everyone was complaining about the 2011 tyre not performing well cold last year as well; there were unusual conditions last year though with cool temperatures in general and newly laid tracks at several venues which may have influenced things.

Pigeon said:

Former world champion Jorge Lorenzo wants the top speed of the sport's new bikes to be cut by MotoGP organisers to protect riders' safety.



The 1,000cc bikes generally prompted a warm reception following testing at Malaysia's Sepang circuit, where Marco Simoncelli died in October.



But Lorenzo, the 2010 world champion with Yamaha, admitted: "I am not happy with the top speed.



"We need to reduce it if we want to make it in the safe category."





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Dani Pedrosa has described Honda's new RCV 213V as "the most physically demanding" MotoGP bike he has ridden.

"This bike is physically more demanding [than the 800], you feel the power in the acceleration, the speed under hard braking and also the extra weight, and three days of testing here in Malaysia is very tiring," Pedrosa said.





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Can we scap this motogp .... and have mini moto's plz



2013..WSBK.BSB Man'd up..

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do some push ups ffs or take your ..... to moto 2.... i hate midgets

xx CURVE xx said:

do some push ups ffs or take your ..... to moto 2.... i hate midgets

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Just how much faster/more fit than Pedro are you Curve!??, I was thinking that judging by the way you talk, you would beat Pedro by half a lap,but now I'm thinking you would at least lap him!!







WTF is wrong with you guys! he may be a midget Curve ..... but his little toe would whoop your lazy talentless pissweak lard arse. And sadly, quite obviously at the moment, any other of your countrymen ........ even those that , unlike you, do care to get off the couch and on a bike and race!!





I'll give you a tip, Curve and Jumkie, ....... what do you think a racer would think of a fan who carries on with crap like you do .........

answer ....





nothing . Despite how important you feel you are .

i know i wont beat him on a bike but i know id beat him to a pulp, thats how fit i am

I actually doubt that Curve. It may well be that you could but you spout so much .... that is just so plain obviously untrue, I have become accustomed to thinking that everything you say is an antithesis.



If I was you, I would not challenge Pedro to anything.