Sepang Test (Jan 31st - Feb 2nd 2012)

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But all signs point to Yamaha having a very good machine for the year and for me they are the winners from this test.



You should get someone to post that as a headline somewhere Talps! cos I don't think most folk get that, all the headlines are saying Stoner "won" these tests.

Even down to the usual Stoner modus operandi, ie. go out and do one lap and do the job.
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He did lose something though, thats the "making Talpa, and his fellow boppers happy" stakes.
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Yes Lorenzo was the same last year, many consistently fast laps.



Stoner just went out and did a fast lap then pissed around testing stuff last year .........





Now where are those results from 2011 again ......... just wait and I'l get them and tell you which one was the most successful method.



I think I'll wait for my decision, on who will win, until a few rounds in ......



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At the end of the day it's still too early to tell who's going to be winning races judged solely on these Sepang tests. It does look a bit same old to me, Stoner does a few laps and is quickest, rossi ended up 1.2 seconds off the pace of Stoner at the end of the 3rd test but judging by the videos and other people's comments on here he looks more comfortable on the bike and the Ducati has come on. Who knows...I personally think Mr Stoner is going to win again! Would love to see Ben Spies right up there this year though.
 
Fillipo still doesn't get it!!



http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201202025993/Preziosi-Rossi-ha-promosso-la-Ducati.html



These three days have given us confirmation that our BarryMachine's hypothesis was correct."




Obviously a typo Fillipo seems to have forgotten who's "hypothesis" it really was!!!







Of course the biggest fear was that Rossi would find the new machine felt similar to the GP11. "That would have meant we missed our goal, having modified the wrong things, but luckily it wasn't the case.



Luck!!! comeon Fillipo are you saying you just tried something with no real understanding of what it would do!!??? Gee next thing you will be saying you do your design research on internet forums!!



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As much as I joke about all this, I really am beginning to think they have actually tried it out of pure desperation!!
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Having modified the wrong things? what else is there to modifie? the tires? nope, that was changed too. The fairings clolours?
 
Yes but how long did they need to hang on to that silly L90 engine design?



I know it has been their trademark, but gee its sad to think that they didn't make a link between the "ducati idiosyncratic flaw" and a "ducati idiosyncratic design"



It really was denial at its most ardent, how many reincarnations of frames had they tried with little or worse consequence??



The first "stab in the dark" they made, going big bang, was probably actually the worst thing they could have done at that time!!



Oh Ducati, I hope you change your ways!
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PS: I do have to give them credit for something though.



October 2011 ........ I got sick of watching their fumblings and gave the cure.



November 2011 ...... cure ignored they test and FAIL Al. twins spar.



December & January ...... they actually only took 2 months to produce the "lucky" GPbm !!! thats pretty amazing!
 
Yeah smells fishy, they probably been working on it for longer than we think.



Anyway it is now abvious how much of a good idea it was to use last year as a testing year for Ducati, isnt it?
 
Fillipo still doesn't get it!!



http://www.gpone.com...-la-Ducati.html







Obviously a typo Fillipo seems to have forgotten who's "hypothesis" it really was!!!











Luck!!! comeon Fillipo are you saying you just tried something with no real understanding of what it would do!!??? Gee next thing you will be saying you do your design research on internet forums!!



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As much as I joke about all this, I really am beginning to think they have actually tried it out of pure desperation!!
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The engine is no longer 90degrees and it's been moved forward to get weight onto the front wheel. The fuel now sits lower in the bike too.They simply did what the rest of the grid have proven works for GP. I think Presi gets way to much credit as being some kind of genius, when he really lucked out that the Japanese were being conservative with fuel when they went to 800s, not to mention he had Casey to make the bike look good. It didn't take long for the Japanese to catch and surpass the Duc. Now that the front works let's hope they can fix the back without having problems in the front again, I think they'll be fine now that they have a proven layout.
 
Yeah smells fishy, they probably been working on it for longer than we think.



I strongly doubt it or it would have at least been ready for Wroom



Anyway it is now abvious how much of a good idea it was to use last year as a testing year for Ducati, isnt it?



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, and they were still totally lost up to December 2011
 
The engine is no longer 90degrees and it's been moved forward to get weight onto the front wheel.



Its been tilted back, is the main thing, to stop the "....... vibration" at the front. Not really sure it has anything at all to do with static weight at front, as they had tested that by adding ballast weight at the front ( and another fail ) ...... hence why it should have been obvious to them that they had a dynamic problem.



They had the situation, at the front tyre, whereby in the simple equation for friction F=uN ...... N was fluctuating/vibrating. It would be something that a moment set up around the rear would cause. Those two cylinders banging away, below the centre of gravity of the bike and far spread from the other bank of cylinders, provided such a vibrating force that at times would have also coincided with a VSG that was also set up by the cylinder configuration,



I hope they still don't think they had a static weight distribution problem! or we will see more FAILs again.
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Looking at the results carefully and correctly demonstrates that this test is a very positive sign for the upcoming season. As all teams were just looking for base set-ups and testing new parts etc, I find it quite comical that most of the forums and discussion are about the one-off quick laps......a quick download of the results summary paints a much better picture of where things stand. Stoner did pull out the one quick lap, however it is an 'anomaly' of sorts in his data, he didn't get within .8 of that time again, and mostly was well over a second slower on consistent pace lapping 2.01's with a couple of 2.00's.



Jorge was very consistent and scored many more laps in the 2.00's, and seemingly easily reeled off early 2.01's. Ben too before his off. Dani and Rossi were also very fast consistently with many laps in the 2.01's. The other very large unproven variable is how the new tyres will stand up to race distance punishment from the increased displacement.



But all signs point to Yamaha having a very good machine for the year and for me they are the winners from this test.

I disagree about stoner. This is his usual modus operandi when testing, probably exaggerated by his back problems, and such laps have not proved anomalous in the past. I could argue he might have improved by another second with the full 3 days of testing
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, although it is also true that he is sometimes fast right from the start but doesn't improve as much as others.



I agree about rossi and ducati though, very promising, the random front end loses which made the 2010 and 2011bikes so bad seem to be completely gone, and they now would appear to have a workable conventional design which they can improve by valentino's and jb's time honoured methods.
 
If we can extrapolate from the improvement from last years bike to this test and allowing for further pre-season development, then there is little doubt that Ducati are the title favourites for 2012. Rossi,s annus horribilus was all Ducatis fault and now that the bike is a proper motogp bike, it will win again. Possibly every race. No doubt about it. I,d put my money on Rossi to win the 2012 title before everybody else twigs.
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I disagree about stoner. This is his usual modus operandi when testing, probably exaggerated by his back problems, and such laps have not proved anomalous in the past. I could argue he might have improved by another second with the full 3 days of testing
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, although it is also true that he is sometimes fast right from the start but doesn't improve as much as others.



I agree about rossi and ducati though, very promising, the random front end loses which made the 2010 and 2011bikes so bad seem to be completely gone, and they now would appear to have a workable conventional design which they can improve by valentino's and jb's time honoured methods.



Thought you might....... I'm just making observations based on what is present from the times. Stoner did not perform multiple laps under 2min, nor even many in the 2.00's for whatever reason(s). Injury no doubt playing a part.



Jorge however did perform very well consistently, thus for me indicates that Yamaha performed extremely well and they are in a very strong position. The problem with Stoner is he can mask many faults in a machine (just ask Ducati!!!) lulling the engineers into a false sense of security, Not too sure this will happen with Honda. However finding the consistentcy of this new rubber will have to be a major task for the next test as they didn't string too many laps together this week.
 
The test already tells me that Stoner will win the championship. Well, actually I didn't even need to see the test times to predict that. The fight for the 2nd will probably be closer now. Rossi seems to be on his way to podium more than once this year, but it still seems unlikely that Ducati will match the Hondas and Yamahas throughout the season.
 
Its been tilted back, is the main thing, to stop the "....... vibration" at the front. Not really sure it has anything at all to do with static weight at front, as they had tested that by adding ballast weight at the front ( and another fail ) ...... hence why it should have been obvious to them that they had a dynamic problem.



They had the situation, at the front tyre, whereby in the simple equation for friction F=uN ...... N was fluctuating/vibrating. It would be something that a moment set up around the rear would cause. Those two cylinders banging away, below the centre of gravity of the bike and far spread from the other bank of cylinders, provided such a vibrating force that at times would have also coincided with a VSG that was also set up by the cylinder configuration,



I hope they still don't think they had a static weight distribution problem! or we will see more FAILs again.
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I don't agree with the engine causing the vibration/chatter because of the engines cylinder configuration but I do agree that they needed to tilt it back to get the center of gravity up and forward.
 
I don't agree with the engine causing the vibration/chatter because of the engines cylinder configuration but I do agree that they needed to tilt it back to get the center of gravity up and forward.



Then how do you explain that they tried the static weight shift ( wit ballast and position change ) at Valencia at the end of last year, and it failed?



And how would a static weight change cause the vibration at the front?
 
Then how do you explain that they tried the static weight shift ( wit ballast and position change ) at Valencia at the end of last year, and it failed?



And how would a static weight change cause the vibration at the front?

I read on crashnet the satelight ducs (Pramac) are still the old Valencia spec you are talking about, front cylinder down. Interesting in regards to Barbera's Sepang time vs Rossi.



http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/176425/1/rossi_ducati_front-end_feeling_not_far_from_honda.html



“The turning of Yamaha is still better, because I think it is the best bike for that. Compared to the Hondas - it was a long time ago - but now I think we are not so far” – Valentino Rossi.
 
I read on crashnet the satelight ducs (Pramac) are still the old Valencia spec you are talking about, front cylinder down. Interesting in regards to Barbera's Sepang time vs Rossi.



http://www.crash.net...from_honda.html



“The turning of Yamaha is still better, because I think it is the best bike for that. Compared to the Hondas - it was a long time ago - but now I think we are not so far” – Valentino Rossi.



Yep but the trouble may be that Barberas Duc may just "let go at front ", I think it was more of an issue in getting Rossi at least back to say maybe 4th or 5th ...... reliably.



And yep the Yam does not have funny V twin VSG .
 
As far as Marquez is concern I do not know if he is head and shoulders above the rest because it was not until he got preferential treatment did he really start to shine. That preferential treatment lead to an exodus from that brand of chassis this year by those that were not privileged with the same treatment in disgust. At the end of the day Marquez did not win the championship and Bradl did. Pedrosa won multiple lower class championships and has failed to do so in the premier class. I lay it down for you and others now. It is my view that Marquez will NEVER win a Premier Class title because he is too small and will not adapt to the big bikes.



Marc Marquez 57kg 168cm



Casey Stoner 58kg 171cm



If Marquez never wins a Premier Class title, it will not be a result of him being too small.



Dani Pedrosa 51kg 160cm
 

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