Sepang Test (Jan 31st - Feb 2nd 2012)

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stiefel said:
So, testing.



I've never seen the Ducati look so tidy through the corners. This is truly a completely different bike. Corner exits look very smooth, and from what I gather Rossi is happy with braking and corner entry. From the few video's I've seen, they do seem to struggle a little mid-corner, probably a consequence of the understeer problem that has been reported. Taking Stoner's times out of the equation, I believe they look closer to Honda and Yamaha than last year, but not as close as I thought they would be or I think they should be. Still, the bike is probably at a much earlier point in its development cycle, so the should be able to close that gap somewhat more. It's going to be a long season for them, but with a less idiosyncratic, more predictable bike it should all work out nicely.



Yamaha and Honda are again evenly matched (again, taking Stoner's times out of the equation). I think it's kind of cool that we (still) have one bike that's strong on corner entry but relatively weaker on corner exit while for the other one it's opposite.



Honda's chatter and clutch problems will probably not be fixed in 80 seconds. This is something that we may hear about all season. It remains to be seen just how big the problem is though.



The biggest threath to Stoner this year may be Stoner. The new bikes reportedly are quite hard on the riders' bodies, which does not bode well for someone with back problems. Will be interesting to see if this becomes a reoccuring thing.



By the way, if smaller the lighter riders have a harder time riding these more physically demanding bikes, who thinks they should be compensated? Should Pedro be allowed a lower minimum weight?



If Exy wants the CRT's to be viable grid packers, he better make sure that there will enough competition in this new sub-series. Otherwise, this might just turn into what 250's were in the end: an Aprilia cup, where the people in Noale choose their winners. (EDIT: ok, that might be a bit harsh, it wasn't all that straight-forward in the 250's.)



EDIT 2: it will be very, very interesting to see how the new tires degrade over a race distance.



It's looking to be another great season (I enjoyed the racing last year a lot). I think Honda and Yamaha will be closely matched throughout the season, Ducati will be in the mix at some point. Excluding some of CRT riders, we have a nice field of talented riders out there.
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Absolutely not
 
By the way, if smaller the lighter riders have a harder time riding these more physically demanding bikes, who thinks they should be compensated? Should Pedro be allowed a lower minimum weight?
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yeah sure why not.. and if midgets wana play basketball they should lower the hoop and reduce the size of the ball. billiards tables should have their legs trimmed down a foot. soccer goal post should be made smaller for the aspiring midget goalie. ffs
 
Scotty said:
Oo ohh ohh…one more thing…CS has also got the Rossins Back Trouble’ But The ONLY Difference is that CS has only got his problem for maybe 12 hrs whilst Rossins Back Lasts All Year…maybe it’s THE DUK!!!haaaaa
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with Rossi???
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PG please visit



http://www.powerslid...87
 
Mental Anarchist said:
I am sure that Ezpeleta is more informed than me and he probably thought sticking Elias on the LCR Honda for 2011 was going to work out well. Most people would have thought that the last 250cc WC would have done ok on a MotoGP bike also. Would you like me to continue to list the former 250cc WC's that failed to succeed in MotoGP after being given good rides and paid lots of money by "informed" people? What about all those informed people who predicted the dream pairing of Rossi and Ducati including those very informed individuals Valentino Rossi and Jeremy Burgess? How did that work out?
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Jeez, you're as predictable as the sun rising from the east, why did you have to mention Rossi and JB??? You always, always have to get a dig in dont you. Aye, they didnt fix the bike in 80secs, Casey is the best rider there ever has been and ever will be blah blah blah. As for the rest of your post, you make good points but the only reference we have as to who is going to be good comes from the lower classes, does it not? He's a small lad but still growing. Does he have the grit? Who knows but he will be fast, no doubt about it.
 
spooky said:
Jeez, you're as predictable as the sun rising from the east, why did you have to mention Rossi and JB??? You always, always have to get a dig in dont you. Aye, they didnt fix the bike in 80secs, Casey is the best rider there ever has been and ever will be blah blah blah. As for the rest of your post, you make good points but the only reference we have as to who is going to be good comes from the lower classes, does it not? He's a small lad but still growing. Does he have the grit? Who knows but he will be fast, no doubt about it.
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Rossi and JB are completely relevant to the post and therefore your complaint about my referencing them shows it is your problem not mine. Why did you choose to use Stoner as the reference in your post? Did you think it would hold value with me? Once again your problem not mine.



I think for my self and form my own opinion. Stoner is a repsol rider I hardly think he is going to comment negatively about another repsol rider in the media so I would not necessarily hold his comments as a 100% reflection of his personal view (not that I would know what his personal view is on the topic).



How can you say Marquez will be fast no doubt about it? The reality is that in far more cases than not over the last 2 decades lower class success has not translated into premier class success. If I was a gambling man which I am not I would suggest that you would make more money betting on failure of lower class poster child's then success. There is a reason that Honda/Repsol kept him in moto2. What is your opinion on why?
 
Mental Anarchist said:
Rossi and JB are completely relevant to the post and therefore your complaint about my referencing them shows it is your problem not mine. Why did you choose to use Stoner as the reference in your post? Did you think it would hold value with me? Once again your problem not mine.



I think for my self and form my own opinion. Stoner is a repsol rider I hardly think he is going to comment negatively about another repsol rider in the media so I would not necessarily hold his comments as a 100% reflection of his personal view (not that I would know what his personal view is on the topic).



How can you say Marquez will be fast no doubt about it? The reality is that in far more cases than not over the last 2 decades lower class success has not translated into premier class success. If I was a gambling man which I am not I would suggest that you would make more money betting on failure of lower class poster child's then success. There is a reason that Honda/Repsol kept him in moto2. What is your opinion on why?
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Good god, do i have to spell it out? There was no mention of Rossi/Burgess in the question you answered but you felt in necessary to mention them and highlight (for the umpteenth time) that they got it wrong...we were talking about hyping up of lower class riders coming into the big class, Rossi not gelling with the Ducati has literally feck all to do with it. I mentioned Stoner because you're a Stoner fan, and like some people on this forum who tend to be a fan of Casey, you find it necessary to put Rossi down every chance you get, your previous post being a perfect example.



Yup, in far more cases in the past 2 decades riders in the smaller categories havent made it, this is true. Some have though and they usually turn out to be the freaks. Marques almost won Moto2 in his first attempt, assuming he doesn't nail himself this year theres a good chance he'll take it. I agree that Moto2 isn't the ideal stepping stone into the big class, but only a complete mug would deny that Marquez stands head and shoulders above his competitors...some of them will do ok and i'm sure he's one of them.
 
spooky said:
Good god, do i have to spell it out? There was no mention of Rossi/Burgess in the question you answered but you felt in necessary to mention them and highlight (for the umpteenth time) that they got it wrong...we were talking about hyping up of lower class riders coming into the big class, Rossi not gelling with the Ducati has literally feck all to do with it. I mentioned Stoner because you're a Stoner fan, and like some people on this forum who tend to be a fan of Casey, you find it necessary to put Rossi down every chance you get, your previous post being a perfect example.



Yup, in far more cases in the past 2 decades riders in the smaller categories havent made it, this is true. Some have though and they usually turn out to be the freaks. Marques almost won Moto2 in his first attempt, assuming he doesn't nail himself this year theres a good chance he'll take it. I agree that Moto2 isn't the ideal stepping stone into the big class, but only a complete mug would deny that Marquez stands head and shoulders above his competitors...some of them will do ok and i'm sure he's one of them.
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My original response was directly aimed at disputing your suggestion that informed people know better. I used a series of actual cases, Elias, Aoyama and Rossi. I could also have used the 2007, informed conclusion that the Ducati rode itself and was the best bike on the grid. I could have used the occasion when Sic took out Pedrosa and half the informed people suggested it was Pedrosa's fault and the other half of the informed people said it was Sic's. What about the informed opinion that in 2009 Stoner was mentally weak rather than suffering from a genuine health issue? I am afraid that you seem to be displaying a victim mentality in regards to Rossi. My post in reference to Rossi was that informed people including Rossi and Burgess had an opinion that Stoner wasn't as good as he is and that the Ducati was really an excellent bike that Stoner simply didn't have the skills to set up right. I used this example because they (the informed) were ALL wrong.



As far as Marquez is concern I do not know if he is head and shoulders above the rest because it was not until he got preferential treatment did he really start to shine. That preferential treatment lead to an exodus from that brand of chassis this year by those that were not privileged with the same treatment in disgust. At the end of the day Marquez did not win the championship and Bradl did. Pedrosa won multiple lower class championships and has failed to do so in the premier class. I lay it down for you and others now. It is my view that Marquez will NEVER win a Premier Class title because he is too small and will not adapt to the big bikes.
 
Looking at the results carefully and correctly demonstrates that this test is a very positive sign for the upcoming season. As all teams were just looking for base set-ups and testing new parts etc, I find it quite comical that most of the forums and discussion are about the one-off quick laps......a quick download of the results summary paints a much better picture of where things stand. Stoner did pull out the one quick lap, however it is an 'anomaly' of sorts in his data, he didn't get within .8 of that time again, and mostly was well over a second slower on consistent pace lapping 2.01's with a couple of 2.00's.



Jorge was very consistent and scored many more laps in the 2.00's, and seemingly easily reeled off early 2.01's. Ben too before his off. Dani and Rossi were also very fast consistently with many laps in the 2.01's. The other very large unproven variable is how the new tyres will stand up to race distance punishment from the increased displacement.



But all signs point to Yamaha having a very good machine for the year and for me they are the winners from this test.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
My original response was directly aimed at disputing your suggestion that informed people know better. I used a series of actual cases, Elias, Aoyama and Rossi. I could also have used the 2007, informed conclusion that the Ducati rode itself and was the best bike on the grid. I could have used the occasion when Sic took out Pedrosa and half the informed people suggested it was Pedrosa's fault and the other half of the informed people said it was Sic's. What about the informed opinion that in 2009 Stoner was mentally weak rather than suffering from a genuine health issue? I am afraid that you seem to be displaying a victim mentality in regards to Rossi. My post in reference to Rossi was that informed people including Rossi and Burgess had an opinion that Stoner wasn't as good as he is and that the Ducati was really an excellent bike that Stoner simply didn't have the skills to set up right. I used this example because they (the informed) were ALL wrong.



As far as Marquez is concern I do not know if he is head and shoulders above the rest because it was not until he got preferential treatment did he really start to shine. That preferential treatment lead to an exodus from that brand of chassis this year by those that were not privileged with the same treatment in disgust. At the end of the day Marquez did not win the championship and Bradl did. Pedrosa won multiple lower class championships and has failed to do so in the premier class. I lay it down for you and others now. It is my view that Marquez will NEVER win a Premier Class title because he is too small and will not adapt to the big bikes.
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Aye ok. victim mentality? I think everyone on this forum has a bit of that, its called being a F.A.N. Some people however take it to the next level, ie, you.



Anyway, enough of this ... for tat crap. We should review the Marquez topic later in the year. I think he's got the minerals, you dont. Lets see how he develops.
 
Talpa said:
Looking at the results carefully and correctly demonstrates that this test is a very positive sign for the upcoming season. As all teams were just looking for base set-ups and testing new parts etc, I find it quite comical that most of the forums and discussion are about the one-off quick laps......a quick download of the results summary paints a much better picture of where things stand. Stoner did pull out the one quick lap, however it is an 'anomaly' of sorts in his data, he didn't get within .8 of that time again, and mostly was well over a second slower on consistent pace lapping 2.01's with a couple of 2.00's.



Jorge was very consistent and scored many more laps in the 2.00's, and seemingly easily reeled off early 2.01's. Ben too before his off. Dani and Rossi were also very fast consistently with many laps in the 2.01's. The other very large unproven variable is how the new tyres will stand up to race distance punishment from the increased displacement.



But all signs point to Yamaha having a very good machine for the year and for me they are the winners from this test.
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Good point and the other thing interesting about it is that Jlo made his fast laps in the heat while Casey made his in the cooler morning temperatures. That could be an issue when the season starts but I'm sure Honda, Casey, and crew will figure it out. The times are looking very positive and the rider feedback about the tires is also looking mostly positive.
 
Talpa said:
Looking at the results carefully and correctly demonstrates that this test is a very positive sign for the upcoming season. As all teams were just looking for base set-ups and testing new parts etc, I find it quite comical that most of the forums and discussion are about the one-off quick laps......a quick download of the results summary paints a much better picture of where things stand. Stoner did pull out the one quick lap, however it is an 'anomaly' of sorts in his data, he didn't get within .8 of that time again, and mostly was well over a second slower on consistent pace lapping 2.01's with a couple of 2.00's.



Jorge was very consistent and scored many more laps in the 2.00's, and seemingly easily reeled off early 2.01's. Ben too before his off. Dani and Rossi were also very fast consistently with many laps in the 2.01's. The other very large unproven variable is how the new tyres will stand up to race distance punishment from the increased displacement.



But all signs point to Yamaha having a very good machine for the year and for me they are the winners from this test.
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Talps you made some very good points very early days as we all know and more is to be disclosed in the coming weeks but Yamaha and Honda have very good machines for the coming season there are no winners yet.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
I am sure that Ezpeleta is more informed than me and he probably thought sticking Elias on the LCR Honda for 2011 was going to work out well. Most people would have thought that the last 250cc WC would have done ok on a MotoGP bike also. Would you like me to continue to list the former 250cc WC's that failed to succeed in MotoGP after being given good rides and paid lots of money by "informed" people? What about all those informed people who predicted the dream pairing of Rossi and Ducati including those very informed individuals Valentino Rossi and Jeremy Burgess? How did that work out?
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Mental.....can you really say that Aoyama (last 250 champ) and Marquez are on the same level? no way.

Pedrobot was able to ride the 990, so i think Marquez will be ok on the 1000cc.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
Rossi and JB are completely relevant to the post and therefore your complaint about my referencing them shows it is your problem not mine. Why did you choose to use Stoner as the reference in your post? Did you think it would hold value with me? Once again your problem not mine.



I think for my self and form my own opinion. Stoner is a repsol rider I hardly think he is going to comment negatively about another repsol rider in the media so I would not necessarily hold his comments as a 100% reflection of his personal view (not that I would know what his personal view is on the topic).



How can you say Marquez will be fast no doubt about it? The reality is that in far more cases than not over the last 2 decades lower class success has not translated into premier class success. If I was a gambling man which I am not I would suggest that you would make more money betting on failure of lower class poster child's then success. There is a reason that Honda/Repsol kept him in moto2. What is your opinion on why?
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I think the reason is a couple of things Mental.

Firstly to get more experience in racing and prepare him properly.

Secondly he is only 18 years old, for memory Pedro was 20 turning 21 and

is still very young and the extra time will help him develop his body for the 1000cc
 
If it had been Rossi Lapping under the 2 minute mark, even if he had all other laps 2 seconds slower all the boppers would be jumping around in joy predicting future WC's and ..... Let the Boners be happy with the fast lap talpa.
 
Talpa said:
Looking at the results carefully and correctly demonstrates that this test is a very positive sign for the upcoming season. As all teams were just looking for base set-ups and testing new parts etc, I find it quite comical that most of the forums and discussion are about the one-off quick laps......a quick download of the results summary paints a much better picture of where things stand. Stoner did pull out the one quick lap, however it is an 'anomaly' of sorts in his data, he didn't get within .8 of that time again, and mostly was well over a second slower on consistent pace lapping 2.01's with a couple of 2.00's.



Jorge was very consistent and scored many more laps in the 2.00's, and seemingly easily reeled off early 2.01's. Ben too before his off. Dani and Rossi were also very fast consistently with many laps in the 2.01's. The other very large unproven variable is how the new tyres will stand up to race distance punishment from the increased displacement.



But all signs point to Yamaha having a very good machine for the year and for me they are the winners from this test.
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yup..



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