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Probably the best idea. Come back rejuvenated for the season. Pedro showed,last year, that a good rest is the best thing for injury.
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Yeah, I wonder if Duc are doing the next test at Jerez and they plan on letting Nicky skip it. It's gonna be a good two months of action even if it is just testing.
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It'd be good to see him get used to the "foibles" of the bike.
I think they are doing it right, let him ride, even just cruising around, till he has had enough.
Says Stoner has only done five laps!! Unbelievable!!
Whoops no that was by 11am. He's really extended himself and done 11 now!
Still the fastest lap was lap2?
I think someone fitted a flux capacitor to Caseys bike, he hit 88mph and off he went! Lap 2 as well....... a duck
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Thanx!
Here is another one...from rossi part 2
http://www.youtube.c...n&v=jJ5Hi9ibJ4Q
Nice to see them smiling
...test #1 is over i guess...bad weather.
Here is another one...from rossi part 2
http://www.youtube.c...n&v=jJ5Hi9ibJ4Q
Nice to see them smiling
...test #1 is over i guess...bad weather.
2011:
https://p.twimg.com/...IwcT4.jpg:large
2012:
https://p.twimg.com/...AND9n.jpg:large
The less leaning in 2012. Hmmm... it looks more "easy" ,faster...more front end feel
https://p.twimg.com/...IwcT4.jpg:large
2012:
https://p.twimg.com/...AND9n.jpg:large
The less leaning in 2012. Hmmm... it looks more "easy" ,faster...more front end feel
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So, testing.
I've never seen the Ducati look so tidy through the corners. This is truly a completely different bike. Corner exits look very smooth, and from what I gather Rossi is happy with braking and corner entry. From the few video's I've seen, they do seem to struggle a little mid-corner, probably a consequence of the understeer problem that has been reported. Taking Stoner's times out of the equation, I believe they look closer to Honda and Yamaha than last year, but not as close as I thought they would be or I think they should be. Still, the bike is probably at a much earlier point in its development cycle, so the should be able to close that gap somewhat more. It's going to be a long season for them, but with a less idiosyncratic, more predictable bike it should all work out nicely.
Yamaha and Honda are again evenly matched (again, taking Stoner's times out of the equation). I think it's kind of cool that we (still) have one bike that's strong on corner entry but relatively weaker on corner exit while for the other one it's opposite.
Honda's chatter and clutch problems will probably not be fixed in 80 seconds. This is something that we may hear about all season. It remains to be seen just how big the problem is though.
The biggest threath to Stoner this year may be Stoner. The new bikes reportedly are quite hard on the riders' bodies, which does not bode well for someone with back problems. Will be interesting to see if this becomes a reoccuring thing.
By the way, if smaller the lighter riders have a harder time riding these more physically demanding bikes, who thinks they should be compensated? Should Pedro be allowed a lower minimum weight?
If Exy wants the CRT's to be viable grid packers, he better make sure that there will enough competition in this new sub-series. Otherwise, this might just turn into what 250's were in the end: an Aprilia cup, where the people in Noale choose their winners. (EDIT: ok, that might be a bit harsh, it wasn't all that straight-forward in the 250's.)
EDIT 2: it will be very, very interesting to see how the new tires degrade over a race distance.
It's looking to be another great season (I enjoyed the racing last year a lot). I think Honda and Yamaha will be closely matched throughout the season, Ducati will be in the mix at some point. Excluding some of CRT riders, we have a nice field of talented riders out there.
I've never seen the Ducati look so tidy through the corners. This is truly a completely different bike. Corner exits look very smooth, and from what I gather Rossi is happy with braking and corner entry. From the few video's I've seen, they do seem to struggle a little mid-corner, probably a consequence of the understeer problem that has been reported. Taking Stoner's times out of the equation, I believe they look closer to Honda and Yamaha than last year, but not as close as I thought they would be or I think they should be. Still, the bike is probably at a much earlier point in its development cycle, so the should be able to close that gap somewhat more. It's going to be a long season for them, but with a less idiosyncratic, more predictable bike it should all work out nicely.
Yamaha and Honda are again evenly matched (again, taking Stoner's times out of the equation). I think it's kind of cool that we (still) have one bike that's strong on corner entry but relatively weaker on corner exit while for the other one it's opposite.
Honda's chatter and clutch problems will probably not be fixed in 80 seconds. This is something that we may hear about all season. It remains to be seen just how big the problem is though.
The biggest threath to Stoner this year may be Stoner. The new bikes reportedly are quite hard on the riders' bodies, which does not bode well for someone with back problems. Will be interesting to see if this becomes a reoccuring thing.
By the way, if smaller the lighter riders have a harder time riding these more physically demanding bikes, who thinks they should be compensated? Should Pedro be allowed a lower minimum weight?
If Exy wants the CRT's to be viable grid packers, he better make sure that there will enough competition in this new sub-series. Otherwise, this might just turn into what 250's were in the end: an Aprilia cup, where the people in Noale choose their winners. (EDIT: ok, that might be a bit harsh, it wasn't all that straight-forward in the 250's.)
EDIT 2: it will be very, very interesting to see how the new tires degrade over a race distance.
It's looking to be another great season (I enjoyed the racing last year a lot). I think Honda and Yamaha will be closely matched throughout the season, Ducati will be in the mix at some point. Excluding some of CRT riders, we have a nice field of talented riders out there.
Stoner in a world of his own, well done Sr.
Lorenzo working hard as usual
Dani Dani, aaaallways right behind Lorenzo.
Spies, as expected working for his seat and doing it well.
Valentino doing great, swapping times with Barbera & stuff....
Barbera, read above ;-)
Cal, niiice, good job man.
Dovi!!!, not such a good job man, you supposed to be in front of Cal.
Alvaro, expected more from him....what bike is he exactly gonna use this year?
Niki!!!!, good ol Niki is hurt, he will be pushing harder when he's fine.
Bradl, LCR sucks but everyone behind him has something even worse or isn't a GP pilot.
Karel, what Ducati is he riding?
Colin, 5 seconds from lead....man i hope Jumkie is right. He's the best CRT by far to test is Sepang, the others are from 3 to 5 seconds slower.
Lorenzo working hard as usual
Dani Dani, aaaallways right behind Lorenzo.
Spies, as expected working for his seat and doing it well.
Valentino doing great, swapping times with Barbera & stuff....
Barbera, read above ;-)
Cal, niiice, good job man.
Dovi!!!, not such a good job man, you supposed to be in front of Cal.
Alvaro, expected more from him....what bike is he exactly gonna use this year?
Niki!!!!, good ol Niki is hurt, he will be pushing harder when he's fine.
Bradl, LCR sucks but everyone behind him has something even worse or isn't a GP pilot.
Karel, what Ducati is he riding?
Colin, 5 seconds from lead....man i hope Jumkie is right. He's the best CRT by far to test is Sepang, the others are from 3 to 5 seconds slower.
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Makes you wonder about Marquez. Honda would have had enough knowledge about what it will take to ride the 1000's especially with the extra weight (7kg) for them to tell Marquez to wait in Moto2 until he becomes a man, if that ever happens. I predicted that Marquez will never do anything big in MotoGP and I think the reports from the riders about the physical nature of riding the heavier and more powerful bikes, I think my prediction will be fairly accurate.
Maybe we will see the likes of Spies putting on a kg or 2 during the season.
I'm pretty sure he'll be ok, as do various other riders like Casey etc etc who for all intensive purposes, are more informed than you or any of us on the forum.
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remember 2006, when pedro came into GP and had quite an impressing first season, wins included (yes, there was portugal, but that's another story..). and those 990 beasts were tougher to tame than the 'upgraded 800' electronic-bombers they are using today. so i wouldn't put too much emphasis on riders' strength necessary to control the new bikes.
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Based on the testing times it would take Stoner 24 laps to lap Edwards and only 12 laps to lap the other 3 CRT's at the test. In the same 24 laps Stoner would have gaped Lorenzo by nearly 12sec and Rossi by nearly 29sec.
At some stage Ezpeleta and everyone else is going to have to just suck it up and accept that you can't even things up if you have one rider that is just plain faster than everybody else.
At some stage Ezpeleta and everyone else is going to have to just suck it up and accept that you can't even things up if you have one rider that is just plain faster than everybody else.
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I am sure that Ezpeleta is more informed than me and he probably thought sticking Elias on the LCR Honda for 2011 was going to work out well. Most people would have thought that the last 250cc WC would have done ok on a MotoGP bike also. Would you like me to continue to list the former 250cc WC's that failed to succeed in MotoGP after being given good rides and paid lots of money by "informed" people? What about all those informed people who predicted the dream pairing of Rossi and Ducati including those very informed individuals Valentino Rossi and Jeremy Burgess? How did that work out?
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Well it looks like the GPbm may be working:
From a Rossi interview post tests:
"Unlike many other riders, especially the Hondas, Rossi said that he is not struggling with chatter. “Only a little bit. We are happy we don't have the front vibration.”
Thats what is most important. To be honest after getting into a bit of reading etc. on Vibrating Structure Gyroscopes etc. I don't think the problem would have been as prevalent with the 1000cc. Reason being, the pistons aren't much heavier and the revs used are much lower. The high revving 800 with Ducati going to big bang was like "the perfect storm", it had all the right ingredients, ie, high frequency, off centre of mass action of the front pistons and ..... then they went and virtually doubled the mass of the vibrating parts. Couple that with a full tank of fuel and it would have set up a pulsating/resonating gyroscope that just wanted the bike to go straight ahead, especially if the throttle was cracked and the pistons suddenly increased in there vibrational frequency.
( for those who still can't get their heads around what VSG vibrating structure gyroscopes are maybe this could help to show that such forces do get generated. eg. in the "halteres' of insects )
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLTxG2gh3I[/media]
I still think they should go back to screamer for any V twin, cos its never going to be as good as an inline 4, where even though the pulsating vibrational gyroscopic force exists, its nowhere near as strong in the plane that matters ( ie. along the bike ). Any V twin would have this VSG acting near and in between the base of the cylinders. But the Duc. with its wide angle ( like lengthening a lever ) and laydown front cylinder would have had this force fairly far forward of the bikes true static centre of mass, and of relatively large magnitude, then when they went big bang ...... whohaaaa!!
Still trying to work out why it wasn't as important to Stoner, but I kinda think its like if you hold say a spinning bike wheel ( big gyro ):
Rossi's style of riding would be like trying to yaw the wheel at the axle ....... no go, it would fight that.
Stoners style of riding, by slipping the back out, Stoner was effectively shifting the axle of the gyro sideways with less adjustment of the yaw. So it didn't fight as much if he got the back end loose. Matter of fact for a bike that is "slid to turn" its a good force, as stopping the bike "yawing" is stopping the bike "twitching" in a slide and hence it would feel so much more of a predictable controllable slide. Not surprised at all that other rider ( especially non-Aus. dirt trackers ) were left scratching their heads in amazement at Stoners telemetry.
Anyway lets hope they have lost ............ "the ....... Vibration!!!""
PS: I also hope they go back to the idea of the engine as a stressed member frame again ( lose the twin spar ), once they are happy with the engine layout, mainly cos the comparo last year showed it may actually be worse.
From a Rossi interview post tests:
"Unlike many other riders, especially the Hondas, Rossi said that he is not struggling with chatter. “Only a little bit. We are happy we don't have the front vibration.”
Thats what is most important. To be honest after getting into a bit of reading etc. on Vibrating Structure Gyroscopes etc. I don't think the problem would have been as prevalent with the 1000cc. Reason being, the pistons aren't much heavier and the revs used are much lower. The high revving 800 with Ducati going to big bang was like "the perfect storm", it had all the right ingredients, ie, high frequency, off centre of mass action of the front pistons and ..... then they went and virtually doubled the mass of the vibrating parts. Couple that with a full tank of fuel and it would have set up a pulsating/resonating gyroscope that just wanted the bike to go straight ahead, especially if the throttle was cracked and the pistons suddenly increased in there vibrational frequency.
( for those who still can't get their heads around what VSG vibrating structure gyroscopes are maybe this could help to show that such forces do get generated. eg. in the "halteres' of insects )
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLTxG2gh3I[/media]
I still think they should go back to screamer for any V twin, cos its never going to be as good as an inline 4, where even though the pulsating vibrational gyroscopic force exists, its nowhere near as strong in the plane that matters ( ie. along the bike ). Any V twin would have this VSG acting near and in between the base of the cylinders. But the Duc. with its wide angle ( like lengthening a lever ) and laydown front cylinder would have had this force fairly far forward of the bikes true static centre of mass, and of relatively large magnitude, then when they went big bang ...... whohaaaa!!
Still trying to work out why it wasn't as important to Stoner, but I kinda think its like if you hold say a spinning bike wheel ( big gyro ):
Rossi's style of riding would be like trying to yaw the wheel at the axle ....... no go, it would fight that.
Stoners style of riding, by slipping the back out, Stoner was effectively shifting the axle of the gyro sideways with less adjustment of the yaw. So it didn't fight as much if he got the back end loose. Matter of fact for a bike that is "slid to turn" its a good force, as stopping the bike "yawing" is stopping the bike "twitching" in a slide and hence it would feel so much more of a predictable controllable slide. Not surprised at all that other rider ( especially non-Aus. dirt trackers ) were left scratching their heads in amazement at Stoners telemetry.
Anyway lets hope they have lost ............ "the ....... Vibration!!!""
PS: I also hope they go back to the idea of the engine as a stressed member frame again ( lose the twin spar ), once they are happy with the engine layout, mainly cos the comparo last year showed it may actually be worse.
