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Definitely not. 12 years ago dumb-..... wanted "a president they could have a beer with" and we got Bush. In the interim the Tea Baggers exploded via the use of social media and wanting someone who didn't demean them with coherent thought processes, they locked eyes on Cheeto Jesus and elected him.

Social media is pretty much what ruined everything in 2016.
 
Comparing Rupert Murdoch to the fictional Charles Foster Kane who in turn was based on the venerable William Randolph Hearst is an interesting one, but a valid one. Charles Foster Kane was the great cautionary tale of the power of the media, and in one of those strange quirks of fate, the media was used to try and kill the film at release in 1941. Orson Welles no doubt appreciated the irony of it I am sure, as it never would have been lost on him. Murdoch is another face of Kane, and has been largely influential in shaping the globe over the last 20 years in particular. Yet the vast crowd for cable news TV he attracts, believe him to be a man who made possible a "fair and balanced" 24/7 news juggernaut, and would never do anything unjust to them....such as subtly influence their thoughts into the direction he wants them to go politically. Yet they have never really picked up on it, as they consume Fox News quite a bit. Murdoch though should have given them a taste of the carrot as they might not have staged what amounts to a revolutionary election in this day and age.
Perhaps I should have likened him to William Randolph Hearst himself rather than the fictional character based on Hearst, but I was a fan of the political humorist concerned and particularly enjoyed the Citizen Kane references he made in relation to Rupert even back then. I am sure the parallel he was drawing, as I was also intending to do, was actually to the real Hearst. My brother has been to Hearst Castle (as I have separately) and the tour guide was not impressed while she was showing him the cinema there and discussing the films which had been shown when he asked if they included Citizen Kane; as he says it was probably not exactly the first time that question had been asked though.
 
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Perhaps I should have likened him to William Randolph Hearst himself rather than the fictional character based on Hearst, but I was a fan of the political humorist concerned and particularly enjoyed the Citizen Kane references he made in relation to Rupert even back then. I am sure the parallel he was drawing, as I was also intending to do, was actually to the real Hearst. My brother has been to Hearst Castle (as I have separately) and the tour guide was not impressed while she was showing him the cinema there and discussing the films which had been shown when he asked if they included Citizen Kane; as he says it was probably not exactly the first time that question had been asked though.

OMG! Hearst Castle... the wife dragged me there one time when we were driving the coast. A monument to staggering Afluenza not to be believed.
 
OMG! Hearst Castle... the wife dragged me there one time when we were driving the coast. A monument to staggering Afluenza not to be believed.

Actually when I visited myself I also made a remark to the tour guide, smart-arsedness obviously running in my family. She was listing all the famous people who had visited, including Winston Churchill whom she reported had been unimpressed by the whole thing; I pointed out that he had been brought up in a real one, Blenheim Palace, the seat of the Dukes of Marlborough which I had also visited.
 
I thought Churchill was just born there (Blenheim) and spent his early years in Ireland, before being shuttled around to various boarding schools?
[But your point is valid re Blenheim v Hearst "castle"]
 

'Business ties'. As Friedman opined, "the business of business is business".

In the UK, Murdoch and Rothermere control over half of all online and print 'news' outlets, which was Michael's point in response to this utterly bizarre post...

You have never seen one. Damn britons, before you talk, think. You listen to your leftist news channels and have no clue what really is going on in the America.

Perhaps he means the BBC?

Damn 'britons'.

I thought Churchill was just born there (Blenheim) and spent his early years in Ireland, before being shuttled around to various boarding schools?

I thought Churchill was just born there (Blenheim) and spent his early years in Ireland, before being shuttled around to various boarding schools?

Dublin - then East Sussex, Berkshire before Harrow and I'm sure he did his military training at Sandhurst.

Blenheim Palace is one of the best examples of English Baroque. It always amuses me though that when Thatcher introduced the Poll Tax in the late 80s there was a spinster down the road in Woodstock living in a two bedroom cottage paying the same rate as the 11th Duke of Marlborough.
 
I thought Churchill was just born there (Blenheim) and spent his early years in Ireland, before being shuttled around to various boarding schools?
[But your point is valid re Blenheim v Hearst "castle"]

I stand to be corrected as to what degree Winston was brought up at Blenheim Palace, having managed to dismiss Churchill's "My Early Life" which I was obliged to study in early high school from my memory, no easy task for me in general. As you gathered, my point was that Churchill's family pile was a genuine example of the genre with the consequent attached history.
 
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No worries. My BIL gave me a Churchill bio (Best?) ages ago that I forced myself to read...His early years were the least interesting of that remarkable life.
 
No worries. My BIL gave me a Churchill bio (Best?) ages ago that I forced myself to read...His early years were the least interesting of that remarkable life.

Sure. I believe he was reputed to have had one of the largest English language vocabularies ever, and that his "History of the English Speaking Peoples" is a remarkable work of scholarship in addition to all his other achievements, but as a teenager I found the prose style he employed in "My Early Life" more than a little turgid.
 
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OMG! Hearst Castle... the wife dragged me there one time when we were driving the coast. A monument to staggering Afluenza not to be believed.

Ridiculously, going to that Castle is one of the only things I can remember from my first trip to the States!
 
Social media is pretty much what ruined everything in 2016.
But it didn't ruin everything in 2008 when Obama used it to win? rofl

What do we think of Carlos Slim? You know, the guy that owns that unbiased New York Times with their honest and accurate reporting. I don't think he rides worth a ..... But maybe I am just biased against rich Mexicans.
 
But it didn't ruin everything in 2008 when Obama used it to win? rofl

What do we think of Carlos Slim? You know, the guy that owns that unbiased New York Times with their honest and accurate reporting. I don't think he rides worth a ..... But maybe I am just biased against rich Mexicans.

Don't know much about him, but if he is a ruthless self serving oligarch as well it would not be surprising. Does he claim his media outlets are "fair and balanced"? Does he personally direct the editorial content of his media outlets which Murdoch fairly obviously does, but I am led to believe Rothermere doesn't.

In the general run of things it is my belief that political views of either hue don't preclude the possibility of bias, just as history would seem to indicate totalitarians can originate from the ranks of those who profess both political philosophies, and totalitarianism would seem to be independent of purported creed in general.
 
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But it didn't ruin everything in 2008 when Obama used it to win? rofl

What do we think of Carlos Slim? You know, the guy that owns that unbiased New York Times with their honest and accurate reporting. I don't think he rides worth a ..... But maybe I am just biased against rich Mexicans.

Why the rich ones? You clearly don't have a good opinion of Obama - so one might then reasonably there's a likelihood you're a Trump supporter; and we know what his administration think of Mexicans in general. Care to elucidate?
 
But it didn't ruin everything in 2008 when Obama used it to win? rofl

What do we think of Carlos Slim? You know, the guy that owns that unbiased New York Times with their honest and accurate reporting. I don't think he rides worth a ..... But maybe I am just biased against rich Mexicans.

The social media landscape of 2016 was a vastly different one than the one that existed in 2008. But don't let reality get in the way of whatever fantasy land you currently reside in.

Who said anything about the New York Times? I certainly didn't. But since you want to go there, there's never been any evidence to date outside of the Orange Man's claims that Slim influences the Times. There however is plenty of evidence out there that Murdoch influences his news outlets, and was quite involved personally in the stories that his tabloid rag, News of the World were putting out. Let's not forget his role in the hacking scandal that shut that paper down for good. I also have never made any claims either way about whether the Times is biased or not.

Find some other windmill to run at.
 
Yes, if Fox News had as their slogan 'right wing biased news service to counteract left wing bias we perceive in other media' I wouldn't have much of a problem, but 'fair and balanced' is patently absurd, as are claims in general that there is only 'leftist' media and that only those with 'leftist" views are biased, which is why I referred to Murdoch in the first place.
 
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Yes, if Fox News had as their slogan 'right wing biased news service to counteract left wing bias we perceive in other media' I wouldn't have much of a problem, but 'fair and balanced' is patently absurd, as are claims in general that there is only 'leftist' media and that only those with 'leftist" views are biased, which is why I referred to Murdoch in the first place.

The 'Fair and Balanced' trademark is in my opinion one of the greatest coups in media history. Hearst may have created the Spanish-American War, but Murdoch managed to influence untold hundreds of millions in both Presidential elections and Prime Minister elections. Hell, it was believed you couldn't become Prime Minister in the UK without paying your respects and kissing the ring of Rupert Murdoch.

The most amazing thing about Fox News is that Murdoch created an organization that sexually harassed women whole scale. The guy running it once made it his mission to sexually harass women, and he launched a flagship show manned by a man with an anger management issue, who dragged his own wife down the stairs by her neck, and was implicated in numerous sexual harassment scandals while presenting himself as a pious and moral man night after night.

This is who we're supposed to put our faith in for unbiased news?

An organization lead by men who can't even respect women?

Yet we're supposed to believe they are looking out for us, and have the best interests of America in hand?

They are selling a 1950s utopia of America to an aging audience that has come to believe a fictional town in the Deep South called Mayberry, that's devoid of every skin color except for white, was a real place...and in fact, is a place that can be returned to.

That is real power.
 
The social media landscape of 2016 was a vastly different one than the one that existed in 2008. But don't let reality get in the way of whatever fantasy land you currently reside in.
Big on insults - bad on facts. I will help you out: Wiki
Or just do a simple search with "Obama uses social media." Pretty damn predictable response to my post. The bias here was so obvious, it was an easy button to push. Of course, when people post in mirrored-opinion environments, they think the reversed image of themselves is different, when it is just themselves reflecting themselves.

I can hardly remember people losing their perspective so easily as with this last presidential election. I am already labeled a horrible Trump supporter HERE, without any evidence of how I voted or feel about the man. Get a grip, people. It's a MOTOGP forum, not a Clinton-Trump election rehash forum. And THAT is the reason that I posted what I did.
 
Big on insults - bad on facts. I will help you out: Wiki
Or just do a simple search with "Obama uses social media." Pretty damn predictable response to my post. The bias here was so obvious, it was an easy button to push. Of course, when people post in mirrored-opinion environments, they think the reversed image of themselves is different, when it is just themselves reflecting themselves.

I can hardly remember people losing their perspective so easily as with this last presidential election. I am already labeled a horrible Trump supporter HERE, without any evidence of how I voted or feel about the man. Get a grip, people. It's a MOTOGP forum, not a Clinton-Trump election rehash forum. And THAT is the reason that I posted what I did.

I never made any statement about whether Obama used social media. I made a general statement about social media...not about the usage of or lack thereof of presidential candidates. Try understanding what's written before commenting.

Why don't you show your ... out of the topic if you don't like it?

Topics around here go off on tangents.

Don't like it?

Don't come here.

Sports and politics are inseparable, and that will never change.
 
The 'Fair and Balanced' trademark is in my opinion one of the greatest coups in media history. Hearst may have created the Spanish-American War, but Murdoch managed to influence untold hundreds of millions in both Presidential elections and Prime Minister elections. Hell, it was believed you couldn't become Prime Minister in the UK without paying your respects and kissing the ring of Rupert Murdoch.

The most amazing thing about Fox News is that Murdoch created an organization that sexually harassed women whole scale. The guy running it once made it his mission to sexually harass women, and he launched a flagship show manned by a man with an anger management issue, who dragged his own wife down the stairs by her neck, and was implicated in numerous sexual harassment scandals while presenting himself as a pious and moral man night after night.

This is who we're supposed to put our faith in for unbiased news?

An organization lead by men who can't even respect women?

Yet we're supposed to believe they are looking out for us, and have the best interests of America in hand?

They are selling a 1950s utopia of America to an aging audience that has come to believe a fictional town in the Deep South called POVOLBERRY, that's devoid of every skin color except for white, was a real place...and in fact, is a place that can be returned to.

That is real power.
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Big on insults - bad on facts. I will help you out: Wiki
Or just do a simple search with "Obama uses social media." Pretty damn predictable response to my post. The bias here was so obvious, it was an easy button to push. Of course, when people post in mirrored-opinion environments, they think the reversed image of themselves is different, when it is just themselves reflecting themselves.

I can hardly remember people losing their perspective so easily as with this last presidential election. I am already labeled a horrible Trump supporter HERE, without any evidence of how I voted or feel about the man. Get a grip, people. It's a MOTOGP forum, not a Clinton-Trump election rehash forum. And THAT is the reason that I posted what I did.

The Trump camp, particularly his son who was heavily involved in the campaign, have outright said that they used social media so prominently as a deliberate tactic which was probably election winning, and the son has specifically discussed using his business contacts in the IT world to devise the strategy. Why do you have a problem with someone saying what is acknowledged fact, and doesn't really have much to do with whether the outcome (Trump winning) was desirable in yours, mine or JPS's view, which is a separate issue?.

No-one to my knowledge made any claims about those of a "left" persuasion being unbiased, to the contrary a claim was made about left wing bias in the British media.


This forum has always gone off on tangents, and has been rather inactive in the off-season. If politics dominates when the racing starts I might get tired of it myself, but not now. In the interim you are not obliged to follow political discourse you consider irrelevant as has been said.
 
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