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dude,really i don't mean to offend but you take all this .... (including the rants) too serious.

i really enjoy reading your posts, more often then not you offer interesting thoughts and open up great debates , but in this case its become too much wwf stuff and then its ultra-long posts about it.don't be offended if its just too much this time for everybody here to read these lenghty posts in their full length.

maybe you should do it newspaper style, a headline to grab the attention, 4-5 lines summarizing your thoughts and then the 500+ word essay on why everything in gp is ......
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Do you have respect for what Kropo writes? He once described one and the same race direction as 'frankly bizare' following the Marquez/Kallio incident. Yet now all of a sudden RD is beyond reproach? Jumkie called him out. Good debate.



Carry on
 
...Yet now all of a sudden RD is beyond reproach? Jumkie called him out. Good debate.



Thanks for the vote of confidence. To be clear, I do respect Krops opinion on an overwhelming amount of topics, I just don't read him as if he were the Word of God (that is reserved for Arrabi)
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Nah, seriously, I imagine Krops with as much thickness of skin as myself, hence why hes willing to put his opinions out there for peeps to cast stones at them when they see fit (well, at least thats the impression I get). Like Stiefel said, I do lay it on a bit thick sometimes for affect, and that may translate too heavy, though its part of my style (admittedly more .... than honey) when peeps open themselves up for it. As I saw it, him replying with those funny pics meant I could reply in kind (except I'm too dumb to post funny pics, though I did get a PM from Lyria to help me sort it out, so expect some pics to appear soon, haha). But I try to deploy "hahahas" and
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Anyway, its when some do gooders get involved that sometimes the debates go aria into tangents of grandstanding. Hence why we even have to talk about it here. So thanks for getting us back on topic Birdy.



Back on topic: It looked to me race direction stopped it on Lorenzo's behest. (The debate is not whether the race should have been stopped, as that is a hard call, we get that). But from my vantage point, it looked to me that Lorenzo's flailing played a significant roll in the stoppage, you may disagree. Now, my reasoning stems from a simple observation, the league officials seem to be swayed disproportionately by the star riders (particularly the ones they want to promote and protect). Now to back that up, I describe some of the cases in which i think this has overtly happened. Now some people will disagree, ok. Fine, now whats their reason for making the case that the league officials are unbiased, competent, and not swayed disproportionately? (Other than saying its just a conspiracy theory, or, trust me, I'm an expert.)
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. To be clear, I do respect Krops opinion on an overwhelming amount of topics, I just don't read him as if he were the Word of God (that is reserved for Arrabi)
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Nah, seriously, I imagine Krops with as much thickness of skin as myself, hence why hes willing to put his opinions out there for peeps to cast stones at them when they see fit (well, at least thats the impression I get). Like Stiefel said, I do lay it on a bit thick sometimes for affect, and that may translate too heavy, though its part of my style (admittedly more .... than honey) when peeps open themselves up for it. As I saw it, him replying with those funny pics meant I could reply in kind (except I'm too dumb to post funny pics, though I did get a PM from Lyria to help me sort it out, so expect some pics to appear soon, haha). But I try to deploy "hahahas" and
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and sharp wit to make the sting accordingly.
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Anyway, its when some do gooders get involved that sometimes the debates go aria into tangents of grandstanding. Hence why we even have to talk about it here. So thanks for getting us back on topic Birdy.



Back on topic: It looked to me race direction stopped it on Lorenzo's behest. (The debate is not whether the race should have been stopped, as that is a hard call, we get that). But from my vantage point, it looked to me that Lorenzo's flailing played a significant roll in the stoppage, you may disagree. Now, my reasoning stems from a simple observation, the league officials seem to be swayed disproportionately by the star riders (particularly the ones they want to promote and protect). Now to back that up, I describe some of the cases in which i think this has overtly happened. Now some people will disagree, ok. Fine, now whats their reason for making the case that the league officials are unbiased, competent, and not swayed disproportionately? (Other than saying its just a conspiracy theory, or, trust me, I'm an expert.)
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I respect Krop as well. I like his posting style here, kind of more bar stool banter. His site is probably a bit too formal for me, I cant contribute much but get plenty of info there. He has mentioned 'conspiracy' a few times on his site lately, giving it a bit of oxygen.



I figure race direction feels a bit under siege since Marquez had his penalty overturned by the FIM after the Espargaro incident. So to me they would have been sitting there at Sepeang watching Crutchlow crash, no problem. DePuniet then sent Crutchlow running for cover out of the gravel when he crashed right behind him. Then Dovi crashes. Proactive RD must throw the red flag now. Nope. Lorenzo has a wave, then nearly crashes. I reckon RD would have been thinking if Lorenzo goes down its going to be a protest from Yamaha and all sorts of controversy that they really dont want to have to deal with. So immediately they throw out the red flag, two laps late if anything.
 
Cliche you clearly to get your hands on some better weed cuz it doesnt seem to be working. Youve been here long enough but you still dont seem to understand how it works. You constantly admonishing peeps because you are bothered or offended by their comments or opinions. You comment on every ....... topic ten times over whether it pertains to you or not.

I swear if motochick and lyria had a conversation about which tampons worked best you would be right in there with an opinion.
 
nah, i'm not bothered or offended. not even by your stuff anymore and that says a lot.

thanks for caring bout my smoking situation, its good to know that there are people out there who care.

as for the posting, i'm just trying to get to your post count, also chopper leaving left quite a big void
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and yeah, your ....... right about the tampons, i use them to clean my bong so i'm an expert.

my favorite are solenas extra , they seal that pipe tight for the dishwasher tablets
 
Do you have respect for what Kropo writes? He once described one and the same race direction as 'frankly bizare' following the Marquez/Kallio incident. Yet now all of a sudden RD is beyond reproach? Jumkie called him out. Good debate.



Carry on



It looked to me race direction stopped it on Lorenzo's behest. (The debate is not whether the race should have been stopped, as that is a hard call, we get that). But from my vantage point, it looked to me that Lorenzo's flailing played a significant roll in the stoppage, you may disagree. Now, my reasoning stems from a simple observation, the league officials seem to be swayed disproportionately by the star riders (particularly the ones they want to promote and protect). Now to back that up, I describe some of the cases in which i think this has overtly happened. Now some people will disagree, ok. Fine, now whats their reason for making the case that the league officials are unbiased, competent, and not swayed disproportionately? (Other than saying its just a conspiracy theory, or, trust me, I'm an expert.)
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First point on "human nature"... I thinks it is human nature to skim-read or skip long posts. I never read all of Jum's or Lex' long posts unless I need to make a direct reply. Like most long posts, Jum, yours seem to be repetitive and redundant, sorry dude!!



Second point on RD and what we choose to "believe". Of course no one is beyond reproach and of course RD has made mistakes in the past. The point being made on the other side of the debate is that of all the variables involved in making the decision to red flag do we "believe" that the definitive deciding factor for RD was Jorge specifically, or one of the "elite in general waving his hand. Being at the race (where I did not see Jorge waving) and then watching it at home (where I did see it) I do not "believe" RD made their decision based on the wave. Unless we hook up RD to a lie detector none of us will know for sure. Believe what you will!
 
I love this banter ........

In saying that, I'm going to fence sit.

I think RD was teetering on the edge of throwing the race, regardless and the Lorenzo wave was probably the final straw and they acted. I doubt the riders would have got another lap before RD threw the flag anyway, so the regardless the results wouldn't have changed.

Probably they would have reacted the same if any of the other riders sat up, and even though Lorenzo was the only one we saw on TV, we don't know that there weren't others doing the same.



Frankly I don't think Lorenzo was a ..... throwing the hand, it was seriously wet, and getting worse. Probably he should have had confidence in the judgement of RD to stop the race, and just waited, but anyway.
 
Agreed, the US is a bloody long way away. But not as far away from Europe as Australia
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And there is a bloody good reason we are so damn far away as well ................................ but they still find us.
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Jesus guys, follow my example and spend less time arguing/essay typing and more time a-ridin'!
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Jesus guys, follow my example and spend less time arguing/essay typing and more time a-ridin'!
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You gotta keep up Bs... We just type faster and ride faster... Even left time for a sundowner at my favorite bar!
 
Thanks for the vote of confidence. To be clear, I do respect Krops opinion on an overwhelming amount of topics, I just don't read him as if he were the Word of God (that is reserved for Arrabi)
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Nah, seriously, I imagine Krops with as much thickness of skin as myself, hence why hes willing to put his opinions out there for peeps to cast stones at them when they see fit (well, at least thats the impression I get). Like Stiefel said, I do lay it on a bit thick sometimes for affect, and that may translate too heavy, though its part of my style (admittedly more .... than honey) when peeps open themselves up for it. As I saw it, him replying with those funny pics meant I could reply in kind (except I'm too dumb to post funny pics, though I did get a PM from Lyria to help me sort it out, so expect some pics to appear soon, haha). But I try to deploy "hahahas" and
<
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and sharp wit to make the sting accordingly.
<




Anyway, its when some do gooders get involved that sometimes the debates go aria into tangents of grandstanding. Hence why we even have to talk about it here. So thanks for getting us back on topic Birdy.



Back on topic: It looked to me race direction stopped it on Lorenzo's behest. (The debate is not whether the race should have been stopped, as that is a hard call, we get that). But from my vantage point, it looked to me that Lorenzo's flailing played a significant roll in the stoppage, you may disagree. Now, my reasoning stems from a simple observation, the league officials seem to be swayed disproportionately by the star riders (particularly the ones they want to promote and protect). Now to back that up, I describe some of the cases in which i think this has overtly happened. Now some people will disagree, ok. Fine, now whats their reason for making the case that the league officials are unbiased, competent, and not swayed disproportionately? (Other than saying its just a conspiracy theory, or, trust me, I'm an expert.)
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Do I think it was reasonable for the race to be red flagged, given the moto2 race had been red flagged, several riders had gone down and conditions were bad and worsening, particularly in view of the tragedy here last year? Yes.



Was jorge lucky? Also yes, if the race had continued in rideable wet conditions rather than monsoonal conditions, he was in strife, particularly given his tyre choice. Most championships involve some good luck however, or at least the absence of bad luck.



Is race direction at all motogp races absolutely above criticism ? Definitely not. Are Dorna influencing them to favour particular riders before the fact at this point in time or previously? I don't believe so, but would not put it past them in the planned glorious future, and they seem already on the pathway in countermanding RD decisions after the fact. This will be meaningless to non Australians, but as Kerry Packer said sports should be administered by sporting bodies.



Do Dorna want Dani Pedrosa to win the riders' championship for Honda this year, or Casey Stoner to win any more races? It is likely neither is their preference, but I don't see any great necessity for them to be proactive at this point in time to prevent either occurrence.
 
Do you have respect for what Kropo writes? He once described one and the same race direction as 'frankly bizare' following the Marquez/Kallio incident. Yet now all of a sudden RD is beyond reproach? Jumkie called him out. Good debate.



Carry on



So I'm not allowed to disagree with one decision but agree with another?
 
Didn't we have a big thread about the inconsistancy of race direction? Post Simoncelli/Pedrosa Le Mansgate I believe.
 
You gotta keep up Bs... We just type faster and ride faster... Even left time for a sundowner at my favorite bar!



Hmm, sure a few lines here and there but essays? No thanks i'd rather be out on my bike than popping a blood vessel arguing with another dudes opinion over whether the race should be stopped or not. If you think there is a conspiracy don't watch the bloody series thats my motto!
 
I love this banter ........

In saying that, I'm going to fence sit.

I think RD was teetering on the edge of throwing the race, regardless and the Lorenzo wave was probably the final straw and they acted. I doubt the riders would have got another lap before RD threw the flag anyway, so the regardless the results wouldn't have changed.

Probably they would have reacted the same if any of the other riders sat up, and even though Lorenzo was the only one we saw on TV, we don't know that there weren't others doing the same.



Frankly I don't think Lorenzo was a ..... throwing the hand, it was seriously wet, and getting worse. Probably he should have had confidence in the judgement of RD to stop the race, and just waited, but anyway.



I think I read that Rossi said he was putting his hand up as he was coming to the line, but they had just put the red flag out.
 
This thread is more proof that girls that spend a lot of time together begin to menstruate on the same days.
 

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