sepang race

cliché guevara said:

there was this nutcase who caught his wife exchanging text messages with sexual content with another man, he then consulted his cats for advice which supposedly told him to smoke a blunt and then shoot her.

shows what great/wise animals cats are.

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Should have talked to his dog. I'm sure he would have just smoked a blunt, ate a couple of steaks and taken a .... on the carpet.

Race Direction are clearly pandering to Dorna's wishes. They only red-flagged the race because they wanted to make sure a Spaniard wins the championship.

Nice to see that Spies is ok & will race in Oz.



Weird day of Motorcycle racing, that's for sure!

Kropotkin said:

Race Direction are clearly pandering to Dorna's wishes. They only red-flagged the race because they wanted to make sure a Spaniard wins the championship.

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+1

Kropotkin said:

Race Direction are clearly pandering to Dorna's wishes. They only red-flagged the race because they wanted to make sure a Spaniard wins the championship.

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I was thinking it was more of an anti Honda than pro Spaniard



In all seriousness, it would have been interesting to see what happened if they had let it go. He was certainly going to lose a spot to Casey, but was that it. Was he scared and backed off or had the tire gone away and he was in trouble. Hard to say from watching TV, but appeared it could have gone a little longer. Who knows what may have happened. Dani could have crashed himself.



I set my alarm for 4am to watch the race on Speed. Im still about half asleep but something doesnt seem right, It takes me a couple of minutes to realize the dumb ..... are showing a re- run of Motegi. I watched a few minutes for something to scroll across the bottom explaining why i was watching Motegi instead of Malaysia, nothing. After about 15 minutes, i was getting ready to turn it off, when they realized they had ...... up and switched over to live telecast of Malaysia. No explanation. I guess they figured at 4 in the morning, no one would notice and no explanation was needed

Yeah, if Dorna wanted a show, they would have let it go on longer. The race was getting dangerous, and I don't think it could have gone on for another 2 laps, which would have been necessary for Stoner to get past Lorenzo and for all of the field still on the same lap to complete that lap. They have access to the weather radar in race control, and must have seen even heavier rain on the way, was just a question of when it hit.



In other words, I don't think it would have made any difference to the result, even though Stoner would have been past Lorenzo on the next lap. Could have been red-flagged at any time.

Kropotkin said:

Yeah, if Dorna wanted a show, they would have let it go on longer. The race was getting dangerous, and I don't think it could have gone on for another 2 laps, which would have been necessary for Stoner to get past Lorenzo and for all of the field still on the same lap to complete that lap. They have access to the weather radar in race control, and must have seen even heavier rain on the way, was just a question of when it hit.



In other words, I don't think it would have made any difference to the result, even though Stoner would have been past Lorenzo on the next lap. Could have been red-flagged at any time.

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The results that could have been are irrelevant. Stoner could have come off and broke every bone in his body a lap later.

Still, the timing of the red flag was very odd, especially thinking of other races in the recent past that were allowed to keep running in worse conditions. Yes, the conditions eventually became so bad that the race should have been red flagged in any case. Races get flagged when it becomes unrideable, sometimes not even then. Usually not in anticipation of conditions becoming unrideable. To me, it looks like race direction is pretty inconsistent in these decisions.

stiefel said:

To me, it looks like race direction is pretty inconsistent in these decisions.

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no ...., breaking news right?but really why should we criticize them when they are doing the right thing?everything i've read from any rider confirmed that it was the right decision to put the red flag out when they did and that it would have become impossible to ride for another lap or two.

stiefel said:

Lorenzo (guess his soft tired had worn out) waving his hand while accelerating out of a corner... I mean, damn. No blame on him, it was the smart thing to do, but what was race direction thinking?

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where else except for accelerating (where you don't need your left hand - quickshifters!) can you afford to put up a hand?under braking?leaned right over while sliding?

i expect he could have done something like this, but maybe thats asking a bit too much in such conditions in a title fight

I hadn't seen a wet race before so I was looking forward to seeing how it went. Wow, a lot of flying off the track, well done to Dovizioso getting back on the bike and riding again.



See this whole red flag thing, well Lorenzo was being caught by Stoner, that much was obvious, Pedrosa was still pulling away from him and then he had that 'moment' which by the way made me wonder how the hell he kept that bike upright and on the track. Then he was signalling for a red flag? Or he may have signalled the first time just before that. Anyway, from what I saw he was the only one complaining out there. The red flag was a disappointment and of course it played right into his championship hopes. Another 6 or 7 laps and he'd easily have lost a place, probably come off altogether if he wasn't careful. So yeah, the red flag was very convenient for him, whether they took notice of him or it was just a coincidence I can't say, but it was no wonder he was grinning when they called the race off.



Cal came off again He was lucky de Puniet didn't collect him as he came off at the same place. Good to know Ben Spies is okay, that looked nasty the way he was holding his wrist. Good ride by Nicky Hayden, he went really well and impressed me.

cliché guevara said:

no ...., breaking news right?but really why should we criticize them when they are doing the right thing?everything i've read from any rider confirmed that it was the right decision to put the red flag out when they did and that it would have become impossible to ride for another lap or two.

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I am criticizing them for being 1) inconsistent 2) red flagging a race before conditions call for it.

cliché guevara said:

where else except for accelerating (where you don't need your left hand - quickshifters!) can you afford to put up a hand?under braking?leaned right over while sliding?

i expect he could have done something like this, but maybe thats asking a bit too much in such conditions in a title fight

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I wrote 'accelerating out of a corner'. You don't find it slightly ironic that he signalled that conditions are unrideable by taking one of his hands off the handlebar while leaned into a corner and accelerating?

dude, i'm just saying you shouldn't act surprised

have to say though, if conditions are very bad and they are inevitably getting worse : is it better to call it off in anticipation or would you rather let them ride and only after the first broken bone decide "ok thats it" ?



and no, not ironic. i think we don't need to discuss that lorenzo was fortunate that it was called off and that he struggeled the most with his almost slick tyre.

but i find it laughable that he is being criticized for waving , call him a ..... if you dare thinking you would have continued but anything in the direction of : a.) his calls for stopping the race were not understandable or b.) he made the race director stop the race is just ridicolous.

cliché guevara said:

dude, i'm just saying you shouldn't act surprised

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Why not? I was suprised. Ususally, they aren't that quick to red flag a race.

cliché guevara said:

have to say though, if conditions are very bad and they are inevitably getting worse : is it better to call it off in anticipation or would you rather let them ride and only after the first broken bone decide "ok thats it" ?

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cliché guevara said:

and no, not ironic. i think we don't need to discuss that lorenzo was fortunate that it was called off and that he struggeled the most with his almost slick tyre.

but i find it laughable that he is being criticized for waving , call him a ..... if you dare thinking you would have continued but anything in the direction of : a.) his calls for stopping the race were not understandable or b.) he made the race director stop the race is just ridicolous.

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I have not criticized Lorenzo. See my initial post for reference:

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?/topic/15382-sepang-race/page__st__20#entry333555

Of course, what really bothers me, is that we always could call the F1 guys a bunch of ....... for not racing on 4 wheels when there's a bit too much water, while "our guys" would ride through downpours and tornado's on 2 wheels. Now, we have a new member here, who's switching over from F1, and the first wet race she get's to see, get's flagged early.

Just watched the post-race press conference. All three riders were asked if the race as flagged too early. Stoner, who believed he had a shot at winning if the race had run full distance, said maximum of one or two more laps. Pedrosa said maximum one more lap. Neither of those would have been enough to make a difference to the standing.



FWIW, both Bautista and Rossi also said red-flagging the race was the right decision.



Maybe all these riders are just a bunch of ......., though.

Kropotkin said:

Just watched the post-race press conference. All three riders were asked if the race as flagged too early. Stoner, who believed he had a shot at winning if the race had run full distance, said maximum of one or two more laps. Pedrosa said maximum one more lap. Neither of those would have been enough to make a difference to the standing.



FWIW, both Bautista and Rossi also said red-flagging the race was the right decision.



Maybe all these riders are just a bunch of ......., though.

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Nobody in this thread has called any of the riders a ......

stiefel said:

Nobody in this thread has called any of the riders a ......

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I just have.

Kropotkin said:

I just have.

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Well that's not very nice of you.

stopping the race while the track is already borderline wet and its absolutely pissing down making it worse has nothing to do with hindsight,thats just the logical thing to do.



agreed about the f1 criticism, but then again most things that have to do with cars seem boring and .....-ish when compared to superbikes/motogp

bluegreen said:

Well that's not very nice of you.

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I'll go and stand in a corner.

Im ok with race direction stopping race as conditions were getting worse. They have been inconsistent at best. Having personally attended Shiverstone and hurricane Ike at Indy, i wonder how they determine stoppages. Incidentally, at Shiverstone2, Wsbk addition, conditions went to ...., the 'leader' and others rose hand, race direction didnt flinch, 2 riders came across line on their ... in spectacular fashion. But im also of the opinion, that todays decision was done because Lorenzo called for it! Dont kid urself, those of u who think otherwise have head lodged up .... Its irrelevant that other riders conceded the stoppage was a relief. Does anybody remember Donny when Dovi won? Edwards who was on podium said, and i quote: "That was 45 mins of complete ........!" Using Kropos logic, maybe that race should not have been run? Pedro & Casey were fine. Lorenzo was experiencing problems cuz his soft tire option became a liability. The stoppage affectively nullified Pedros & Stoners better tire choice. I would have loved to see Nicky on the podium (i'll just have to be satisfied that despite his broken hand, he beat his supposed "goat" teammate again); but there was no guaranty that was gonna happen, nor that Pedro or anybody else was gonna finish given more laps. So as i said, im fine with the stoppage, but im not going to be naive and say they didnt do it for Lorenzo.