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Well done to Bradley, a future champion I think.
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Not past it yet!
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Well done to Bradley, a future champion I think.
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Not past it yet!
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Stoner was faultless and it was nice to here him say rossi deserved the championship. good on him.
Rossi made the first corner mistake, leaving his breaking a tad to late in trying to get ahead of dani. to fight from 9th to 3rd was out standing although dovi gifted him the podium place to receive his championship Trophy. It was also nice to see dani smile and be truly happy with his first wet weather podium. bad day at the office for jorge but there's always next year.
250 race was awesome. what you all think about simonchelli running aoyama nearly into the pit wall ? i dont want to give to much of the race away cos our yank mates dont get to see it until later in the week
Rossi made the first corner mistake, leaving his breaking a tad to late in trying to get ahead of dani. to fight from 9th to 3rd was out standing although dovi gifted him the podium place to receive his championship Trophy. It was also nice to see dani smile and be truly happy with his first wet weather podium. bad day at the office for jorge but there's always next year.
250 race was awesome. what you all think about simonchelli running aoyama nearly into the pit wall ? i dont want to give to much of the race away cos our yank mates dont get to see it until later in the week
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 25 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>250 race was awesome. what you all think about simonchelli running aoyama nearly into the pit wall ? i dont want to give to much of the race away cos our yank mates dont get to see it until later in the week
Let's just say that sometimes Simoncelli seems too aggressive with his riding style (when battling). I wonder if he's going to get into trouble in the Moto GP class with that.
Let's just say that sometimes Simoncelli seems too aggressive with his riding style (when battling). I wonder if he's going to get into trouble in the Moto GP class with that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 25 2009, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
yes Stoner is SOOOOO amazing..he deserves 3rd in the championship for sure
Unlike you guys in 2007 I do not deny reality; third is exactly what he deserves, although he hasn't quite achieved it yet. I suspect valentino will go all out at valencia partly just for the hell of it and partly to stop stoner going into 2010 on such a roll, and casey will not back off and hence even finishing the race is not a given.
Unlike you guys in 2007 I do not deny reality; third is exactly what he deserves, although he hasn't quite achieved it yet. I suspect valentino will go all out at valencia partly just for the hell of it and partly to stop stoner going into 2010 on such a roll, and casey will not back off and hence even finishing the race is not a given.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 25 2009, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unlike you guys in 2007 I do not deny reality; third is exactly what he deserves, although he hasn't quite achieved it yet. I suspect valentino will go all out at valencia partly just for the hell of it and partly to stop stoner going into 2010 on such a roll, and casey will not back off and hence even finishing the race is not a given.
he will have to be careful at valencia, if he dnf's and dani scores more than 11 pts than dani gets third and casey will be relegated to 4th. 1st and second is decided but third is still up for grabs
he will have to be careful at valencia, if he dnf's and dani scores more than 11 pts than dani gets third and casey will be relegated to 4th. 1st and second is decided but third is still up for grabs
Not the most exciting race of the season by any means.
But gratz on title #9 to Vale.
9 titles is just an amazing feat.
I have no doubt he will reach double figures before retirement. Perhaps even 2010.
Stoner was dominant in the wet conditions. Great ride.
Terrific effort from Pedrosa in the wet too. Considering he usually struggles in those conditions.
Well done to Jorge to come through from the back.
Good ride also from Nicky though I admit I was praying he'd get on the podium.
Good ride from Vermy as well but not up to his usual wet performances.
I'm not holding out hope that Valencia will be a classic either.
Last year Stoner passed Pedrosa on lap one for the lead and that was about the only overtake for the whole race.
I'm joining the chorus.
The 800's are done. Bring back the 990's.
But gratz on title #9 to Vale.
9 titles is just an amazing feat.
I have no doubt he will reach double figures before retirement. Perhaps even 2010.
Stoner was dominant in the wet conditions. Great ride.
Terrific effort from Pedrosa in the wet too. Considering he usually struggles in those conditions.
Well done to Jorge to come through from the back.
Good ride also from Nicky though I admit I was praying he'd get on the podium.
Good ride from Vermy as well but not up to his usual wet performances.
I'm not holding out hope that Valencia will be a classic either.
Last year Stoner passed Pedrosa on lap one for the lead and that was about the only overtake for the whole race.
I'm joining the chorus.
The 800's are done. Bring back the 990's.
Congratulations to Rossi. He IS the greatest motorcycle racer of all time.
Congratulations also to Casey. He is (when fit and healthy) the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today.
2010 is shaping up as potentially one of the best ever. Rossi, still at his peak. Lorenzo with the crashes less likely,a bigger threat than ever. Stoner-pure brilliance, but a fragile body(?).
Pedrosa in the mix, but not a championship threat. Simoncelli , fast , but a track menace. Spies, as good as any from superbikes in recent years- will be fast but will take a year plus to show his full potential.
My money for 2010 is on Stoner, but only if he can be healthy for the whole season.
9 championships ,with 7 at the top level, is an amazing achievement. Rossi needs to celebrate his achievements, because ,not only are they impressive..........., they will be his last.
Congratulations also to Casey. He is (when fit and healthy) the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today.
2010 is shaping up as potentially one of the best ever. Rossi, still at his peak. Lorenzo with the crashes less likely,a bigger threat than ever. Stoner-pure brilliance, but a fragile body(?).
Pedrosa in the mix, but not a championship threat. Simoncelli , fast , but a track menace. Spies, as good as any from superbikes in recent years- will be fast but will take a year plus to show his full potential.
My money for 2010 is on Stoner, but only if he can be healthy for the whole season.
9 championships ,with 7 at the top level, is an amazing achievement. Rossi needs to celebrate his achievements, because ,not only are they impressive..........., they will be his last.
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2007! get it right Curve! I'm ignoring 2008 and 2009!!
2007! get it right Curve! I'm ignoring 2008 and 2009!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 26 2009, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he will have to be careful at valencia, if he dnf's and dani scores more than 11 pts than dani gets third and casey will be relegated to 4th. 1st and second is decided but third is still up for grabs
I actually agree with barry this time, I don't think he cares about whether he finishes 3rd or 4th and will go all out for the race win provided he has competitive pace.
I actually agree with barry this time, I don't think he cares about whether he finishes 3rd or 4th and will go all out for the race win provided he has competitive pace.
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oh, last year in Valencia, Vale overtake 6 men to finish on poduim.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 25 2009, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not the most exciting race of the season by any means.
But gratz on title #9 to Vale.
9 titles is just an amazing feat.
I have no doubt he will reach double figures before retirement. Perhaps even 2010.
Stoner was dominant in the wet conditions. Great ride.
Terrific effort from Pedrosa in the wet too. Considering he usually struggles in those conditions.
Well done to Jorge to come through from the back.
Good ride also from Nicky though I admit I was praying he'd get on the podium.
Good ride from Vermy as well but not up to his usual wet performances.
I'm not holding out hope that Valencia will be a classic either.
Last year Stoner passed Pedrosa on lap one for the lead and that was about the only overtake for the whole race.
I'm joining the chorus.
The 800's are done. Bring back the 990's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 25 2009, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not the most exciting race of the season by any means.
But gratz on title #9 to Vale.
9 titles is just an amazing feat.
I have no doubt he will reach double figures before retirement. Perhaps even 2010.
Stoner was dominant in the wet conditions. Great ride.
Terrific effort from Pedrosa in the wet too. Considering he usually struggles in those conditions.
Well done to Jorge to come through from the back.
Good ride also from Nicky though I admit I was praying he'd get on the podium.
Good ride from Vermy as well but not up to his usual wet performances.
I'm not holding out hope that Valencia will be a classic either.
Last year Stoner passed Pedrosa on lap one for the lead and that was about the only overtake for the whole race.
I'm joining the chorus.
The 800's are done. Bring back the 990's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 26 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Congratulations to Rossi. He IS the greatest motorcycle racer of all time.
Congratulations also to Casey. He is (when fit and healthy) the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today.
2010 is shaping up as potentially one of the best ever. Rossi, still at his peak. Lorenzo with the crashes less likely,a bigger threat than ever. Stoner-pure brilliance, but a fragile body(?).
Pedrosa in the mix, but not a championship threat. Simoncelli , fast , but a track menace. Spies, as good as any from superbikes in recent years- will be fast but will take a year plus to show his full potential.
My money for 2010 is on Stoner, but only if he can be healthy for the whole season.
9 championships ,with 7 at the top level, is an amazing achievement. Rossi needs to celebrate his achievements, because ,not only are they impressive..........., they will be his last.
Very funny stuff.......mainly patriarchal delusion with a little bit of common sense.......CS certainly isn't the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today, Sepang was great however, getting to the front early was his only masterstroke, with now spray to deal with he was able to clear off, VR postest the fastest time, and consistently quickest to make up more than 8 seconds on them even though his title was wrapped up with much less........
Congratulations also to Casey. He is (when fit and healthy) the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today.
2010 is shaping up as potentially one of the best ever. Rossi, still at his peak. Lorenzo with the crashes less likely,a bigger threat than ever. Stoner-pure brilliance, but a fragile body(?).
Pedrosa in the mix, but not a championship threat. Simoncelli , fast , but a track menace. Spies, as good as any from superbikes in recent years- will be fast but will take a year plus to show his full potential.
My money for 2010 is on Stoner, but only if he can be healthy for the whole season.
9 championships ,with 7 at the top level, is an amazing achievement. Rossi needs to celebrate his achievements, because ,not only are they impressive..........., they will be his last.
Very funny stuff.......mainly patriarchal delusion with a little bit of common sense.......CS certainly isn't the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today, Sepang was great however, getting to the front early was his only masterstroke, with now spray to deal with he was able to clear off, VR postest the fastest time, and consistently quickest to make up more than 8 seconds on them even though his title was wrapped up with much less........
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Well done Vale! It's a shame he had a bad start so we couldn't see how he would have raced with Stoner.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 26 2009, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
.......mainly patriarchal delusion
You seem to be hung up on this patriarchal stuff; if you are old enough to have followed the careers of gardner and doohan avidly as you claim, it would be difficult for anyone on here to be patriarchal towards you.
Valentino did what he needed to do in this race, and would have been mad to try for the win in these conditions after being shuffled back early; I am sure he could have beaten dani for second even after this.
Stoner equally would have been mad to try and match lap-times with rossi when he had a 20 second lead; however he has been mad enough to do such things in the past and I did have some concern watching the end of the race that he would try to do so. The fact that he is riding more tactically now should concern you as a rossi fan
. Strategically I am not sure beating rossi in theses races is so sound, as it will likely make valentino and yamaha push harder for next year.
.......mainly patriarchal delusion
You seem to be hung up on this patriarchal stuff; if you are old enough to have followed the careers of gardner and doohan avidly as you claim, it would be difficult for anyone on here to be patriarchal towards you.
Valentino did what he needed to do in this race, and would have been mad to try for the win in these conditions after being shuffled back early; I am sure he could have beaten dani for second even after this.
Stoner equally would have been mad to try and match lap-times with rossi when he had a 20 second lead; however he has been mad enough to do such things in the past and I did have some concern watching the end of the race that he would try to do so. The fact that he is riding more tactically now should concern you as a rossi fan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 26 2009, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he will have to be careful at valencia, if he dnf's and dani scores more than 11 pts than dani gets third and casey will be relegated to 4th. 1st and second is decided but third is still up for grabs
Shoot! I forgot about Pedrosa!!
But yeah I think 3rd or 4th .... meh it matters not. Probably why we should at least again expect a decent ride from Stoner at Valencia. And who knows maybe Spies will come in a bit "gungho!" and put on a show along with Stoner for us. But I'm kinda thinking that Valencia will be a beach volleyball game from most of them cos they will ride like they are already on holidays.
Luckily, for us, Stoner is confused about when holiday time is and is not finished yet ..... cos he went Barra fishing and camping not long ago and is riding like its round 1
Shoot! I forgot about Pedrosa!!
But yeah I think 3rd or 4th .... meh it matters not. Probably why we should at least again expect a decent ride from Stoner at Valencia. And who knows maybe Spies will come in a bit "gungho!" and put on a show along with Stoner for us. But I'm kinda thinking that Valencia will be a beach volleyball game from most of them cos they will ride like they are already on holidays.
Luckily, for us, Stoner is confused about when holiday time is and is not finished yet ..... cos he went Barra fishing and camping not long ago and is riding like its round 1
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 26 2009, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You seem to be hung up on this patriarchal stuff; if you are old enough to have followed the careers of gardner and doohan avidly as you claim, it would be difficult for anyone on here to be patriarchal towards you.
Valentino did what he needed to do in this race, and would have been mad to try for the win in these conditions after being shuffled back early; I am sure he could have beaten dani for second even after this.
Stoner equally would have been mad to try and match lap-times with rossi when he had a 20 second lead; however he has been mad enough to do such things in the past and I did have some concern watching the end of the race that he would try to do so. The fact that he is riding more tactically now should concern you as a rossi fan
. Strategically I am not sure beating rossi in theses races is so sound, as it will likely make valentino and yamaha push harder for next year.
Did you not read what I was responding to???? Outrageous statements like 'CS is the best Motorcycle racer in the world today' and VR will never achieve anything else????
All of this after VR just clinched his 9th world title, I don't have to be a VR fan to argue the absurdity of this rubbish,
And as for the race, the rain/spray (and VR first corner .... up) certainly contributed the most to CS's win, as if it was dry, judging by his QP he would have been 15-20 seconds off both Fiat Yams and 10 off Pedders......so I don't think strategically it will worry the Fiat boys too much
Anyway-VR 9 times world champ!!!!!! Time for us to rub it in a bit, I dare say the pendulum I mentioned after Portugal has definitely swung back as I predicted it would, another title, another successful title defense something which no other can match.......he has some good comp this year and JL will go down as one of the strongest
Valentino did what he needed to do in this race, and would have been mad to try for the win in these conditions after being shuffled back early; I am sure he could have beaten dani for second even after this.
Stoner equally would have been mad to try and match lap-times with rossi when he had a 20 second lead; however he has been mad enough to do such things in the past and I did have some concern watching the end of the race that he would try to do so. The fact that he is riding more tactically now should concern you as a rossi fan
Did you not read what I was responding to???? Outrageous statements like 'CS is the best Motorcycle racer in the world today' and VR will never achieve anything else????
All of this after VR just clinched his 9th world title, I don't have to be a VR fan to argue the absurdity of this rubbish,
And as for the race, the rain/spray (and VR first corner .... up) certainly contributed the most to CS's win, as if it was dry, judging by his QP he would have been 15-20 seconds off both Fiat Yams and 10 off Pedders......so I don't think strategically it will worry the Fiat boys too much
Anyway-VR 9 times world champ!!!!!! Time for us to rub it in a bit, I dare say the pendulum I mentioned after Portugal has definitely swung back as I predicted it would, another title, another successful title defense something which no other can match.......he has some good comp this year and JL will go down as one of the strongest
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 26 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you not read what I was responding to???? Outrageous statements like 'CS is the best Motorcycle racer in the world today' and VR will never achieve anything else????
All of this after VR just clinched his 9th world title, I don't have to be a VR fan to argue the absurdity of this rubbish,
And as for the race, the rain/spray (and VR first corner .... up) certainly contributed the most to CS's win, as if it was dry, judging by his QP he would have been 15-20 seconds off both Fiat Yams and 10 off Pedders......so I don't think strategically it will worry the Fiat boys too much
Anyway-VR 9 times world champ!!!!!! Time for us to rub it in a bit, I dare say the pendulum I mentioned after Portugal has definitely swung back as I predicted it would, another title, another successful title defense something which no other can match.......he has some good comp this year and JL will go down as one of the strongest
Are you denying Stoner is the fastest rider in the world
All of this after VR just clinched his 9th world title, I don't have to be a VR fan to argue the absurdity of this rubbish,
And as for the race, the rain/spray (and VR first corner .... up) certainly contributed the most to CS's win, as if it was dry, judging by his QP he would have been 15-20 seconds off both Fiat Yams and 10 off Pedders......so I don't think strategically it will worry the Fiat boys too much
Anyway-VR 9 times world champ!!!!!! Time for us to rub it in a bit, I dare say the pendulum I mentioned after Portugal has definitely swung back as I predicted it would, another title, another successful title defense something which no other can match.......he has some good comp this year and JL will go down as one of the strongest
Are you denying Stoner is the fastest rider in the world
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 26 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as for the race, the rain/spray (and VR first corner .... up) certainly contributed the most to CS's win, as if it was dry, judging by his QP he would have been 15-20 seconds off both Fiat Yams and 10 off Pedders......so I don't think strategically it will worry the Fiat boys too much
Anyway-VR 9 times world champ!!!!!! Time for us to rub it in a bit, I dare say the pendulum I mentioned after Portugal has definitely swung back as I predicted it would, another title, another successful title defense something which no other can match.......he has some good comp this year and JL will go down as one of the strongest
I have already expressed congratulations for valentino on his well deserved 7th premier class world championship on this thread. I actually agree that prognostications about him not winning any further such championships are optimistic on the part of fans of other riders.
However this is the sepang race thread and again you cannot bring yourself to give stoner any credit, even for a 16 second win. Stoner's and rossi's pace on the hard tyres which would have been in order for a dry race was similar in practice and in the warm-up but I agree rossi's extreme pace in qualifying albeit on soft tyres would have made him favourite for a dry race, depending on how hard he tried to win. Lorenzo did not have as much pace on hard tyres and I believe would have struggled to beat stoner in a dry race.
Anyway-VR 9 times world champ!!!!!! Time for us to rub it in a bit, I dare say the pendulum I mentioned after Portugal has definitely swung back as I predicted it would, another title, another successful title defense something which no other can match.......he has some good comp this year and JL will go down as one of the strongest
I have already expressed congratulations for valentino on his well deserved 7th premier class world championship on this thread. I actually agree that prognostications about him not winning any further such championships are optimistic on the part of fans of other riders.
However this is the sepang race thread and again you cannot bring yourself to give stoner any credit, even for a 16 second win. Stoner's and rossi's pace on the hard tyres which would have been in order for a dry race was similar in practice and in the warm-up but I agree rossi's extreme pace in qualifying albeit on soft tyres would have made him favourite for a dry race, depending on how hard he tried to win. Lorenzo did not have as much pace on hard tyres and I believe would have struggled to beat stoner in a dry race.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Oct 25 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not that exciting but interesting race. Afraid Vermeulen lost his wet abilities, but came through pretty good nonetheless. Pedrosa and Hayden also suprised me with a great result in the wet, sad to see Capirex fall so far back though. Stoner was insane and congrats to Vale for another one.
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what has he done? just a few wins? and a championship in 4 years ago in 125cc.
what did he do on the bike that Lorenzo dominated 2007 on it? he has been 3 years in 250's and hasn't done anything special.
yes he has won 8 of 49 races in a serie where 4 of it's Top riders have gone since he began to race in.
I think if a few wins is enough for his entry to 800 CC , then a few more guys are out there who deserve it more than he does. and i, dont mean only in 250 cc.He simply cant produce a good form under pressure and he crashes a lot for a top rider.
everybody expected him to dominate the 250's after the top 3 came to 800 cc, but it,s now 2 years later and he hasn't achived very much.
or that's at least what i think,
He could have clinched this year's championship by now if he was consistant and hadn't crashed so many times.
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what has he done? just a few wins? and a championship in 4 years ago in 125cc.
what did he do on the bike that Lorenzo dominated 2007 on it? he has been 3 years in 250's and hasn't done anything special.
yes he has won 8 of 49 races in a serie where 4 of it's Top riders have gone since he began to race in.
I think if a few wins is enough for his entry to 800 CC , then a few more guys are out there who deserve it more than he does. and i, dont mean only in 250 cc.He simply cant produce a good form under pressure and he crashes a lot for a top rider.
everybody expected him to dominate the 250's after the top 3 came to 800 cc, but it,s now 2 years later and he hasn't achived very much.
or that's at least what i think,
He could have clinched this year's championship by now if he was consistant and hadn't crashed so many times.
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