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BarryMachine said:
Actually CG was with CS at LCR even.
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Aware of that Baz, but what I meant (and reckon was understood - you just playing again
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) was that the basic entire team he has now is the Ducati team he had built up.



As an aside I do enjoy the situations where the riders try to take the team or team members with them when they move as to me it shows appreciation, teamwork and dedication (and this applies to Ross/Stoner and all who do it)









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Just re-airing it Gaz, some folk kinda forget that Stoner has made some very long term acquaintances in the paddock.
 
Hence my comment in the other thread, I name Rossi once or twice......I'm a Rossi hater, a GP hater, i have no brain and i don't know what i'm speaking, don't quote me, i'm a penguin.
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I'll put it this way, my first comment regarding The Duc, Rossi and Hayden had to come out sooner or later from me. The way things are rolling out it was just a matter of time.



The second comment is even more passive, i was at work, i looked up motoGP front page and i see a pic of Rossi
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the floor and Stoner topping the timesheets at the moment. So i just shared it with PS.
 
Don't worry about it Dave, they are just sensitive pattercakes who need to harden up a bit. The non stop snivelling is getting a tad wearisome though
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It seems that we all need to be walking on egg shells when it comes to mentioning Valentino Rossi in a negative light on the forum at present.



Which is quite frankly ridiculous considering his performance this year is probably the biggest news story in MotoGP for a very long time and definitely warrants the attention it is garnering - whether the Rossi fans like it or not is completely irrelevant and many of them must have very short memories indeed as the insults he and his fans have perpetuated against his rivals are coming back in spades.



Not all criticisms are payback or retaliation for past wrongdoings either - Rossi himself has exacerbated the situation with his continued sniping at his competitors and other people who have offered their opinions and his outlandish statements have continued recently...he has done himself no favours at all and displays an arrogance that belies his current situation....I thought this experience would have taught him some humility but in the last week alone he had the following to say.....



"I'd say I'm among the top three riders of all time with Agostini and Hailwood."



"Mick (Doohan) is just jealous of my record."



When you add those to the other snipes we have been hearing in the last two years it is coming back to bite him big time - and deservedly so. I am no fan of Rossi the person as I have made clear (after being a huge fan in the earlier part of his career). However I will give him credit for his incredible past record and achievements and refuse to make statements that are factually incorrect to denigrate this amazing record. This year has definitely supplied context to that record and has done damage to his reputation as the GOAT and that is very much a talking point and focus of media attention for the vast majority of people with an interest in the sport and will continue to be so.



Rossi does not deserve any praise for his efforts this year other than he has tried. He also does not deserve special dispensation or immunity from criticism and people have every right to say what they like about his mediocre results as long as it is fair and reasonable and reflects the truth of what is going on...this is not hate. This is reality - and many fans of Rossi are having a hard time dealing with that fact as is Valentino himself.
 
Mr Squiggle said:
"Just the vibe of the thing" hehe.....classic movie that one (The Castle for those unfamiliar)



I reckon there is too much bad blood between JB and CS to see them join forces.....in fact Stoner has made the remark he was more upset about JB's 80 second quips as it implied his team were no good and CS took offence at that noting how hard they work....however I think Stoner has misinterpreted these comments as JB was clearly making reference to the other Ducati riders/teams.....not Stoners.



I also think JB's priorities lie with his wifes well being at the moment and that will be the major influence regarding any decisions he makes about his future.



I will say that JB has been far more complimentary about Stoner in the last few months and he seems to be extending an olive branch to Stoner not wanting to sour their relations any longer....especially with Doohan now firmly in Caseys corner.



Lastly with the success that the Stoner/Gabbarini partnership has garnered over the last few years and knowing that Stoner highly values loyalty I just cant see him ever dissolving this mutual respect/trust and unless something happens between the 2 that sours this relationship they will be together until one or the other retires from the sport....especially after they have both just secured thier second world championship together.
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Stoner actually addressed this very question during the Phillip Island weekend telecast (can't remember if it was in one of the official press conferences or a separate interview), he made a point of complimenting his team that he has around him and how much he thinks of them. He said something along the lines of having the best guys with him already and that he hoped they would continue to work together until retirement.



So to echo some other people's posts here, I don't see any desire or reason for him to change his team configuration, and certainly don't see any opportunity for JB over there.



It was many years ago now when JB indicated his desire to work with Casey - back in the early days when Casey was at LCR and there was talk of him possibly going to Yamaha, and JB went on record, if i remember correctly, saying it would be great to work with another aussie rider in the premier class, etc. But clearly, the Yamaha option was never going to happen due to some much publicised reasons, and since then JB has progressively been drawn into Rossi's corner in the verbal jibes against Stoner, so much has changed since those early days. I agree with others here, not much chance of Stoner wanting to work with JB now I would assume.
 
Mr Squiggle said:
It seems that we all need to be walking on egg shells when it comes to mentioning Valentino Rossi in a negative light on the forum at present.



Which is quite frankly ridiculous considering his performance this year is probably the biggest news story in MotoGP for a very long time and definitely warrants the attention it is garnering - whether the Rossi fans like it or not is completely irrelevant and many of them must have very short memories indeed as the insults he and his fans have perpetuated against his rivals are coming back in spades.



Not all criticisms are payback or retaliation for past wrongdoings either - Rossi himself has exacerbated the situation with his continued sniping at his competitors and other people who have offered their opinions and his outlandish statements have continued recently...he has done himself no favours at all and displays an arrogance that belies his current situation....I thought this experience would have taught him some humility but in the last week alone he had the following to say.....



"I'd say I'm among the top three riders of all time with Agostini and Hailwood."



"Mick (Doohan) is just jealous of my record."



When you add those to the other snipes we have been hearing in the last two years it is coming back to bite him big time - and deservedly so. I am no fan of Rossi the person as I have made clear (after being a huge fan in the earlier part of his career). However I will give him credit for his incredible past record and achievements and refuse to make statements that are factually incorrect to denigrate this amazing record. This year has definitely supplied context to that record and has done damage to his reputation as the GOAT and that is very much a talking point and focus of media attention for the vast majority of people with an interest in the sport and will continue to be so.



Rossi does not deserve any praise for his efforts this year other than he has tried. He also does not deserve special dispensation or immunity from criticism and people have every right to say what they like about his mediocre results as long as it is fair and reasonable and reflects the truth of what is going on...this is not hate. This is reality - and many fans of Rossi are having a hard time dealing with that fact as is Valentino himself.
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This year proves more about stoner than rossi, since rossi is far from alone in being unable to finding the key to unlock front-running performance in the ducati. This a different issue than the apparent intrinsic instability of the bike, which existed for stoner in 2010 as it has for rossi in 2011. So if there is now a bike rossi can't ride, does such a bike exist for stoner? I wouldn't have thought to the same extent, although I didn't expect rossi not to be able to ride the ducati. Stoner might come back to the field on a pure corner speed type bike, however. He also had problems getting the 2008 ducati to work for a few of the races after qatar until they went back to the 2007 engine if I recall correctly as well.



I admit to some surprise that rossi's ego is as fragile as it has appeared to be this year, particularly in regard to doohan although some of that goes back to the rossi v honda thing, and mick is a honda guy through and through. I have to say from what I can glean since hailwood was before my time he is probably correct in placing hailwood ahead of doohan; the question for some observers who saw him race seems to be whether hailwood is ahead of valentino and ago.



The reported remarks by jerry burgess in the australian TV interview which I didn't see also suggest to me he is not overly pleased with the situation into which valentino has led them both. In an australian TV interview prior to valentino jumping last yearwhich I did see he did not overly praise ducati, and he even less than valentino was not in any need of further career embellishment, acknowledging that riders are more important than race engineers of course.
 
Mr Squiggle said:
Ramon Forcada was Caseys crew chief at LCR in 2006.



CG and CS have only been together since Stoner went to Ducati.
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Was forcada his crew chief both in the 250s and motogp? I am fairly sure gabbarini came from lcr to ducati with stoner, whether or not he was his crew chief there. Stoner was not overly impressed with lcr's attitude in general in 2006 either, to which presumably forcada was a contributor, in that they would not let him set the bike up as he wanted.



There was a quote from forcada concerning stoner in AMCN this year which was not entirely complimentary, basically along the lines that stoner didn't work hard enough, particularly in comparison to jorge. He did also say that if he did work as hard as jorge the remainder of the field would not see which way he went though.
 
michaelm said:
Was forcada his crew chief both in the 250s and motogp? I am fairly sure gabbarini came from lcr to ducati with stoner, whether or not he was his crew chief there. Stoner was not overly impressed with lcr's attitude in general in 2006 either, to which presumably forcada was a contributor, in that they would not let him set the bike up as he wanted.



There was a quote from forcada concerning stoner in AMCN this year which was not entirely complimentary, basically along the lines that stoner didn't work hard enough, particularly in comparison to jorge. He did also say that if he did work as hard as jorge the remainder of the field would only see his tail-pipe though.
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I remember that, he basically said Casey is more talented while Jorge has had to do everything with hard work.

The only other rider I've heard JB say anything about working with is Nicky but Honda killed the possibility of that happening and made the descision to go with Rossi to Yam easier when they told him they were going to develop the bike around the previous races winner and not the lead rider, Nicky.

The LCR thing with Forcada is kind of strange, but it's worked at Yamaha with Jlo being asked to change his style when he got there.
 
michaelm said:
I admit to some surprise that rossi's ego is as fragile as it has appeared to be this year, particularly in regard to doohan although some of that goes back to the rossi v honda thing, and mick is a honda guy through and through. I have to say from what I can glean since hailwood was before my time he is probably correct in placing hailwood ahead of doohan; the question for some observers who saw him race seems to be whether hailwood is ahead of valentino and ago.



The reported remarks by jerry burgess in the australian TV interview which I didn't see also suggest to me he is not overly pleased with the situation into which valentino has led them both. In an australian TV interview prior to valentino jumping last yearwhich I did see he did not overly praise ducati, and he even less than valentino was not in any need of further career embellishment, acknowledging that riders are more important than race engineers of course.
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I would think having worked so closely with Doohan over the years JB has every right to be pissed off with those remarks as they were spiteful and unwarranted.....especially with Doohan and JB doing Rossi so many favours in his early years with regards to grooming him and transitioning him into their HRC factory team.....at Micks behest. Doohans comments that sparked this response were also quite tame and being a 5x world champion who has done it all I would think he is entitled to have his say on the Ducati/Rossi situation.



JB knows better than anyone what is happening behind the scenes at Ducati at the moment and once he has left the sport we can expect him to reflect upon this chapter in Rossi's career in a frank and forthright manner. The sustained vitriol by Rossi is something JB probably finds totally unnecessary and the bridge burning excercises of the past may also weigh on his mind....it has definitely left a blot on Burgess's copy book if only via guilt by association.



And as far as your call to lead a boycott of Phillip Island goes - that is the worst call in the history of bad calls.



It remains the most demanding track left on the calendar in an era where CAD designed race tracks with no soul now rule....you still get thrilling action at this venue even if someone does consistently piss off into the distance and give the others a free riding lesson....shame on you for suggesting such a thing and I sincerely hope you were joking.



Last weeks conditions were trying to say the least and it was nerve racking watching those final few laps but this venue is one of the few tracks around that really separates the men from the GOATS (Gone Off A Tad's)......
 
michaelm said:
Was forcada his crew chief both in the 250s and motogp? I am fairly sure gabbarini came from lcr to ducati with stoner, whether or not he was his crew chief there. Stoner was not overly impressed with lcr's attitude in general in 2006 either, to which presumably forcada was a contributor, in that they would not let him set the bike up as he wanted.



There was a quote from forcada concerning stoner in AMCN this year which was not entirely complimentary, basically along the lines that stoner didn't work hard enough, particularly in comparison to jorge. He did also say that if he did work as hard as jorge the remainder of the field would not see which way he went though.
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Forcada interview......



http://bbs.hellof1.com/2447235.html



Here is one of the questions from the interview....



Q. When you were Casey Stoner's LCR crew chief in 2006, and he was riding the 990cc Honda V5, he was a rough diamond wasn't he?







RF: Completely.
 
Mr Squiggle said:
Ramon Forcada was Caseys crew chief at LCR in 2006.



CG and CS have only been together since Stoner went to Ducati.
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No



CG was with CS at LCR ....... Data Engineer or something?



And I believe it was in the smaller classes too. CG would go in to bat for CS as Lucio would say Casey's engine was faster as CS was beating him on the same bike, and CG would point out that CS gets on the throttle earlier.



Perhaps CG is part of the reason CS was given the first LCR MGP ride?



WHatever the case they have been together a long time.
 
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Sitting back smiling that the race is on just in time to sit down for the evening meal. Though I only get to gloat like that on a few occasions ........ sorry Pov.
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Mr Squiggle said:
And as far as your call to lead a boycott of Phillip Island goes - that is the worst call in the history of bad calls.



It remains the most demanding track left on the calendar in an era where CAD designed race tracks with no soul now rule....you still get thrilling action at this venue even if someone does consistently piss off into the distance and give the others a free riding lesson....shame on you for suggesting such a thing and I sincerely hope you were joking.



Last weeks conditions were trying to say the least and it was nerve racking watching those final few laps but this venue is one of the few tracks around that really separates the men from the GOATS (Gone Off A Tad's)......
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Of course I was joking, the favourite track on my signature has not changed in the 5 seasons I have posted on the forum. I did decry rossi for pushing for the race to be moved to a different place in the calendar last year though, so particularly having seen stoner criticise another small market (in terms of motogp fan base) track at indy this year I was acknowledging his complaint may not have been totally without basis. The answer is of course as was concluded last year that unless the weather is guaranteed to be always horrendous such as being affected by the monsoon or something of the like that local weather conditions have to be endured, and differing weather conditions obviously haven't stopped stoner winning 5 years in succession. As was said as well, if racetracks were to be banned for adverse weather assen and silverstone (at least) would be ahead of PI in the queue.



As I have also said I had too much emotionally invested in stoner winning the championship this year, and found the final few laps nerve wracking given the (remote) possibility that he could put the bike down and lose the whole thing through little fault of his own.



I also found the race itself anti-climactic (not anti-climatic) without jorge and spies, and do think that these bikes are too treacherous in general leading to imo too many crashes even by the very top riders, even if casey has arguably been able to transcend it all, although his (relatively) unscathed outcome from a massive practice highside was a near run thing.
 
michaelm said:
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Crikey Mick!! That's the most diplomacy free post you've ever made!! ......... no wait ..... you famously lost it when Rossi knocked Stoner off at Jerez
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ANyway ........ good to see another diplomacy free post from you!!



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